Dr. Stephen Braude – your memories aren’t in your brain|318|

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  1. Your brain does not process information, retrieve knowledge or store memories. In short: your brain is not a computer


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  2. I think the show threads being open are fine, so long as they stick to the actual topic. (What's a bit annoying about this time around is people don't address the argument Braude is making about memories which just makes this thread into one long debate about basically everything that gets argued in CD.)

    The bigger problem right now, IMO, is you have a spammer messaging everyone, posting the same link in multiple sections (including Spirituality), and an unclear line between C&S and CD.

    My thinking was C&S is about where science goes after one accepts immaterialism on some level, CD is whether immaterialist ideas are valid?

    p.s. This isn't an attack against the mods, just curious about what's going on.
     
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    I suspected from the moment I read the title something wasn't right. I can think of one point where his position is full of cr_p, is when he asks someone to draw the dollar bill and they draw a very inaccurate depiction. He should ask Stephen Wiltshire an autistic savant artist who was tasked with drawing from memory a panorama of the city of London after a 15 minute helicopter ride. He had 5 days to complete it. To see him drawing it, start the video at 30 minutes. He should also test his beliefs against such folks as these. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_possess_an_eidetic_memory

    Other not so sweet things people have to say about Mr. Epstein
    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientific-american-mind-is-not-so-scientific/
    http://lukependergrass.work/blog/the-information-processing-brain
    https://sergiograziosi.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/robert-epsteins-empty-essay/
    http://recursed.blogspot.com/2016/05/yes-your-brain-certainly-is-computer.html
     
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    Nice article by Epstein. In it, he emphasizes A. Chemaro and his Ecological Psychology worldview. I embrace his work, which was to some degree inspired by J. J. Gibson.and his theory of direct perception.
    Let me say that my simplistic view is that the isomorphism between brains and computers (wetware and hardware) is that both of their information processing is modeled by the same natural laws that govern information processing. They work very differently, with truly divergent physical substrates. Computers have no functional means of doing a special process of what minds of living creatures do -- Understand Facts - both the particular and the global levels of abstraction. Understanding, a mental process, has as its mode of operation the detection of information objects, (IMHO).
     
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    I thought about eidetic memory, the moment I read it, also. Eidetic memory is a major empirical fact, which points to Direct Perception. But in fact, the normative person will not exhibit the skill, and only have heighten recall with emotionally charged experiences.
     
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  6. I didn't say the theory was accurate, I even questioned it elsewhere on this forum. But all the things I mentioned have been posted on this forum in the past, thus showing that yes at least some people here are keeping track of neuroscience.

    As for the links given I've read a few of them already.
     
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    Ok.
     
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    I did too, hey that reminds me, this word normative. It's something I hear only on this forum. Never in normative conversation, normative tv, normative radio, normative... When did it become popular? Was it ever normative to use the word normative?
     
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  9. There's some review of incredible feats of memory in Irreducible Mind, and Chapter 4 goes into some possible ideas.

    Off the top of my idea I recall a woman who saw a "magic-eye" type picture but on two separate occasions yet was able to layer them in her mind and see the picture. Think it was in that book?
     
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    It is a word associated with data sets. (geek alert) Data sets are like collectable trading cards for science wonks.
     
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    I looked up its etymology yesterday; it goes back to the 1880.
     
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    There is also the famous "woman who can't forget".
    As far as I recall this was investigated pretty thougroughly by neuro scientists. The lady could literally remember the news on the paper of any day of any year... she knew what she had for lunch 15 years ago etc... As if she didn't have any short term memory.

    Funny how it didn't come to my mind when listening to this show, LOL :D
     
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    Ok, so the lady's name is Jill Price:



    A bit more info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Price

    Price is able to recite details of every day of her life since she was fourteen years old.[2]She can recall various obscure moments of her life in great detail.[3]Her condition, termed hyperthymesia, or "hyperthymestic syndrome", is characterized by a highly superior autobiographical memory.
     
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    My wife wasn't famous, but boy o boy she didn't forget.
     
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    Normative - Of or relating to, or prescribing a norm or a standard
    (nothing to do with data sets)
     
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    Hi Sciborg_S_Patel
    Can you explain to me please what does 'CD' and 'C&S' refer to
    Thanks
     
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    Hi, David CD = Critical discussion and C AND S = Consciousness and Science.
     
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    You replied to the wrong person. I didn't mention data sets.
     
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    Thank you :)
     
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