Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

Alex

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So The virus was engineered.
full stop... at least for a second... this statement completely contradicts kaufman / cowan / icke.

you've been around here for a long time so you've learned (just like I have) that sometimes you have to hammer away at details in order to move forward. this is an important detail. I'm open to talking about 5G, but flat earth scientists who insist that there is no covid-19 can really gum up the system.


The thing I look for in people is the ability to course-correct... to say... like I've had to say a freaking million times... gee, I didn't know that... gee, I guess I went down the wrong bunny trail... gee, I guess I got duped.

I have been duped a million times on skeptiko... and there have been a million more times when I got that deep sinking in my stomach wondering whether or not I had been duped only to find out that I was on the right path all along.

this is the most important / exciting part of the process. I admired this when I find it in other people and I seek to cultivate it myself.
 
sadly, this seems to be mostly a matter of semantics. Yes, Alex, they probably do create biological weapons in labs. But “Viruses” do not exist. They’ve never been purified. Of course you can inject something into someone that will make them Sick. And technically you could call that a Virus, because the original meaning of Virus is poison. But the pathological entity that they’ve blamed for AIDS and COVID, The Flu, Smallpox, etc.... does not exist. People get sick from environmental toxins and malnutrition. Now if you are saying you want to refer to Poison as “Virus” - then, I guess you could say they are engineering “Viruses”, but you are doing an extreme disservice to yourself and your listeners by dismissing Terrain Theory (or the overall questioning of germ theory) as Flat Earth science
 
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Indeed it would have, but I'm asking YOU this question.

When Dr. Cowan refers to "COVID", exactly what is he referring to?
I’ll answer. But from my own perspective. My Mother died from “AIDS”, which was an umbrella of symptoms that they blamed on a “Virus” (never isolated as a disease causing pathogen). They proceeded to prescribe AZT, which Killed her. Now, I would say that Covid-19 is an umbrella of symptoms (changing everyday) that they are blaming on a Virus (never isolated as a disease causing pathogen)
 
full stop... at least for a second... this statement completely contradicts kaufman / cowan / icke.

you've been around here for a long time so you've learned (just like I have) that sometimes you have to hammer away at details in order to move forward. this is an important detail. I'm open to talking about 5G, but flat earth scientists who insist that there is no covid-19 can really gum up the system.


The thing I look for in people is the ability to course-correct... to say... like I've had to say a freaking million times... gee, I didn't know that... gee, I guess I went down the wrong bunny trail... gee, I guess I got duped.

I have been duped a million times on skeptiko... and there have been a million more times when I got that deep sinking in my stomach wondering whether or not I had been duped only to find out that I was on the right path all along.

this is the most important / exciting part of the process. I admired this when I find it in other people and I seek to cultivate it myself.
I understand. My main gripe is that the guest didn’t get to present their perspective and was met with appeals to authority.

And just because someone’s paradigm is wrong doesn’t mean they aren’t pointing out valid problems with the prevailing competing paradigm.

For example, as I recently mentioned I’m digging into catastrophism again... I was fascinated at an early age by the arguments and evidence of Walt Brown regarding the world wide flood. He was erroneously trying to cram everything into 6000 years due to his Biblical literalism paradigm but much of the evidence for catastrophe he presented was valid. Maybe the “there’s no such thing as COVID virus” paradigm is invalid but there could be a 4x4 trail at the end of that cul de sac that leads to interesting places. Or maybe it’s just a wall there I don’t know because we didn’t go there :)
 
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My Mother died from “AIDS”, which was an umbrella of symptoms that they blamed on a “Virus” (never isolated as a disease causing pathogen). They proceeded to prescribe AZT, which Killed her. Now, I would say that Covid-19 is an umbrella of symptoms (changing everyday) that they are blaming on a Virus (never isolated as a disease causing pathogen)
Again, I'm sorry for your loss. But why do you say it was the AZT? As I said before, I know more than a few people who were on the verge of death before starting antiretroviral treatment who now lead normal and relatively healthy lives. I also know more than a few who did not receive treatment and died. Living in a country ravaged by AIDS, in which the government flirted for some time with AIDS denialism, I've seen the, from my perspective undeniable, difference in people's health since the widespread public-health availability of antiretroviral drugs.
 
but flat earth scientists who insist that there is no covid-19 can really gum up the system.
Yes, but look, I am not a lover of semantic waffle, but it is clear to me that the assertion that there is no covid-19 needs expanding a little.

I assume that believing covid-19 actually means something like this as a minimum:
I believe that there is a widespread virus, that we call covid-19, and which has a particular sequence, or at least contains a specific set of genes
AND
I believe that this virus attacks a lot of people and kills old and sick individuals more often than other viruses such as flu.
AND
I believe that the PCR test for this virus is reliable.

David
 
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Again, I'm sorry for your loss. But why do you say it was the AZT? As I said before, I know more than a few people who where on the verge of death before starting antiretroviral treatment who now lead normal and relatively healthy lives.
Well Henri Bauer deals with this point explicitly. the conventional theory is that people die of AIDS because it weakens the immune system and lets other diseases run riot - often fungal ones. However, AZT acts as a powerful anti-fungal drug, although it is way too toxic to use for that purpose. So the fact that AZT caused her to recover and then killed her makes perfect sense.

Maybe she would still be alive if she had been treated for the fungal infections with a more appropriate medicine.

I seem to remember that AZT was considered as a possible anti-cancer drug, but it was considered too toxic even for hat role.

David
 
Again, I'm sorry for your loss. But why do you say it was the AZT? As I said before, I know more than a few people who were on the verge of death before starting antiretroviral treatment who now lead normal and relatively healthy lives. I also know more than a few who did not receive treatment and died. Living in a country ravaged by AIDS, in which the government flirted for some time with AIDS denialism, I've seen the, from my perspective undeniable, difference in people's health since the widespread public-health availability of antiretroviral drugs.
I’m sorry, but you can look deeper into it if you’d like to know more about it. Kary Mullis, Peter Duesberg, David Crowe, Stefan Lanka, all are names you can look into and see their research work. I am not a huge fan of writing long drawn out responses on discussion boards, but I would say, to try to keep it short and succinct, that industries need to hide the true cause and costs of illness through “Virology”. “AIDS” is an umbrella of symptoms. The “Antiretroviral drugs” may have some benefit in the short run, by blocking the body’s natural processes, but they do not address the actual cause of disease. AZT was/is highly toxic. My mother had been a IV drug user and did not take care of herself nutritionally. She wasn’t sick because of a virus. Countries ravaged by AIDS are actually dealing with bigger problems than “viruses”. If you really care to know more about this, I suggest David Crowe, sadly, he died a few months ago, but he had a podcast called “the infectious myth”. And there is also a website with all his research
 
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I assume that believing covid-19 actually means something like this as a minimum:

I believe that there is a widespread virus, that we call covid-19, and which has a particular sequence, or at least contains a specific set of genes
AND
I believe that this virus attacks a lot of people and kills old and sick individuals more often than other viruses such as flu.
AND
I believe that the PCR test for this virus is reliable.
These facts we know...

* Some kind of bug with a similar set of symptoms we call "Covid" is giving people a week of illness.

* Covid is LESS lethal than seasonal flu.

* PCR tests are not reliable.
 
These facts we know...

* Some kind of bug with a similar set of symptoms we call "Covid" is giving people a week of illness.

* Covid is LESS lethal than seasonal flu.

* PCR tests are not reliable.
I think the issue is in your first statement. Is there really a “bug” causing these symptoms (constantly changing)?

That’s the metaphor they give you. That it’s a bug. That’s the crux of the issue. There is no “bug”. There are symptoms, but what actually causes these symptoms of illness? If they tell you it’s a bug, they can sell you on the pesticide
 
I think the issue is in your first statement. Is there really a “bug” causing these symptoms (constantly changing)?

That’s the metaphor they give you. That it’s a bug. That’s the crux of the issue. There is no “bug”. There are symptoms, but what actually causes these symptoms of illness? If they tell you it’s a bug, they can sell you on the pesticide
So what do you suspect is causing the symptoms? 5G?

Speaking of bugs and pesticide... my mom recently had some yellowjackets in her wall by her bedroom... She had pest control come spray for them. Then she became convinced the toxins from the pesticide were making her sick so she went to stay at a hotel while toxicology tests were run... they didn't find any pesticide but did say she had COVID... She's fine now (and she's almost 70).
 
Did anyone see this yet? I just posted this on Psiencequest so copying here:


This guy, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, pathologist and CEO of a company that produces COVID test kits:
https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

Had this to say about COVID:

Since this YouTube video will likely get removed at some point, I went to the trouble of taking the transcript generated by YouTube and cleaned it up a bit:

Mr. Chairman this is Dr Hodkinson. ... I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter. What I'm going to say is lay language and blunt. It's counter-narrative. And so you don't immediately think I'm a quack I'm going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I'm coming from in terms of knowledge base in all of this. I'm a medical specialist in pathology which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge university in the UK. I'm the ex-president of the pathology section of the medical association. I was previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa, but more to the point I'm currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling a COVID19 test and you might say I know a little bit about all this.

The bottom line is simply this there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It's outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus other than protecting older more vulnerable people. It should be thought of as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not Ebola. It's not SARS. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game. There is no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year when we got sick, felt unwell, we stayed home. We took chicken noodle soup. We didn't visit granny and we decided when we would return to work. We didn't have anyone or need anyone to tell us. Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signaling. They're not even worn effectively most of the time. It's utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate uneducated people and not saying that in a purchaser's sense, seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face. Social distancing is also useless because because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing. And closures have had such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be open tomorrow as was stated in the great Barrington Declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on testing: I do want to emphasize that I'm in the business of testing for COVID. I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not - underlined in neon - mean a clinical infection. It's simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you're presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem, all that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing homes that are under your control give them all three to five thousand international units of vitamin D every day which which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of infection and I would remind you all that using the province's own statistics the risk of death under 65 in this province is 1 in 300,000, one in three hundred thousand.

You've got to get a grip on this. The scale of the response that you're undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous given the consequences of acting in a way that you're proposing: all kinds of suicides business closures, funerals, weddings, etc. etc. It's simply outrageous it's just another bad Flu and you've got to get your minds around that; let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine. You're being led by down the garden path by the chief medical officer of hell for this province. I'm absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow. Thank you very much.
 
Did anyone see this yet?
I saw it the other day on GAB. Powerful stuff.

If anyone wants to save these bits, Adam Curry's No Agenda Show podcast has these .mp3's in their shownotes...

https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1605820099.267_dr.rogerhodkinson-3-testing.mp3

https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1605...ingstatementonhorrorsandchairmansresponse.mp3

I quit trying to convince the Covidiots around me to calm down. They refuse to look at the data. They can't be reasoned with. I simply cannot counter-act the television propaganda they consume.
 
I’m sorry, but you can look deeper into it if you’d like to know more about it. Kary Mullis, Peter Duesberg, David Crowe, Stefan Lanka, all are names you can look into and see their research work. I am not a huge fan of writing long drawn out responses on discussion boards, but I would say, to try to keep it short and succinct, that industries need to hide the true cause and costs of illness through “Virology”. “AIDS” is an umbrella of symptoms. The “Antiretroviral drugs” may have some benefit in the short run, by blocking the body’s natural processes, but they do not address the actual cause of disease. AZT was/is highly toxic. My mother had been a IV drug user and did not take care of herself nutritionally. She wasn’t sick because of a virus. Countries ravaged by AIDS are actually dealing with bigger problems than “viruses”. If you really care to know more about this, I suggest David Crowe, sadly, he died a few months ago, but he had a podcast called “the infectious myth”. And there is also a website with all his research
I agree with a lot of that, and I really do wish you would start a new thread so that you can pull this interesting discussion together. I mean I introduced the Hope-Simpson book to illustrate some of the issues, and I would enjoy participating in that discussion, isolated from everything going on in this thread. You could, of course use copy/paste to move some of your thoughts over to the new thread.

More specifically on AIDS, here is what the Nobel Prizewinner Kary Mullis had to say:

http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html

This is very pertinent now, because back then you had the science establishment pretending that the HIV-AIDS link had been established, when no such claim had ever been placed in the scientific literature!!!!! Alex could do well to read that - people now claim to have isolated the COVID virus, but squirm like hell to avoid the point that they do not use the word in its original sense. From what I have read, isolation required that you could view an electron microscope image contain the viral particles and nothing else.

Part of the problem nowadays is that magazine/newspaper articles seem to use pictures in a very loose sort of way, as mere illustrations rather than evidence.

David
 
Dr. Cowan is a hero during this time of great global villainy, and I so much wanted to hear his message on Skeptiko. I read his book "The Contagion Myth", I've listened to him talk many times, and I was looking forward to hearing him talk with Alex.

I am stunned. I am shocked. I am confused. I am disappointed. And I am really angry. Alex's interview of Dr. Cowan was the most rude and inconsiderate interview I've ever heard in my life. Alex went beyond his Skeptiko style of confrontation. This interview like an intentional hit piece. Alex calls Dr. Cowan wacky. Someone should whack Alex upside the head!

Alex behaved like the closed-minded dogmatic militant materialist reductionist arrogant assholes he often ridicules. His line of questioning and his inability to hear what Dr. Cowan had to say was astonishing.

It sounds like Alex failed to read Dr. Cowan's book, or listen to any other interviews he has made, or listen to anybody else, like Dr Andy Kaufman or many others who are explaining the myth of the germ theory.

If Alex wants to choose to believe in the germ theory over the terrain theory, choose the con man Louis Pasteur over the heroic scientist Antoine Bechamps, or similarly choose the murderous Anthony Fauci over the Nobel Prize winning PCR inventor Karry Mullis, or similarly choose any corporate funded virologist over the heart-centered heroic Dr. Cowan, it's his loss.

Alex can continue to believe that nature is at war with human health, that there is some wily viral conscious being out there trying to jump into our bodies and kill us, always mutating, hanging in the air, or the lurking on every surface, making human breath and human contact deadly, or he can wake up and realize that what makes us sick is poor nutrition but mainly toxicity, and artificial radio wave poisoning potentiates every known toxin. Viruses and bacteria are here to help us.

Yes, as hard as it might be for Alex to believe, the virus has not been isolated. To further reveal the lie of the pandemic, the PCR test is bullshit too. In fact, viruses are not contagious nor infectious, and they are essential to human health and well-being. Given the chance, I'm sure Dr. Cowan would have presented his case well.

If anyone here wants to hear about Dr Cowan's book "The Contagion Myth", I can heartily recommend an excellent interview of his co-author Sally Fallon Morrell on The Higherside Chats.

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/sally-fallon-morell-the-industrialized-diet-nourishing-traditions-the-contagion-myth

You can also listen to another excellent interview by Greg with doctor Andrew Kaufman discussing how the virus has never been isolated, COVID 19 or any virus.

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/...izophrenia-the-covid-19-coronavirus-exosomes/

Or, you can hear Dr. Cowan himself on the Wise Traditions podcast.

https://www.westonaprice.org/podcast/235-understanding-our-current-health-crisis/

Alex interviewed Jon Rappoport in Skeptiko #292. Jon has written extensively on how this virus has never been isolated. His blog is a good place to take a look at that question.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/?s=isolate&submit=Search

I have the impulse to avoid ever again recommending Skeptiko to anyone, but I'm sure there will be future programs that I will listen to that I will want to share. I appreciate the work Alex is doing with Skeptiko, and I will continue to listen to Skeptiko. but I will be listening with great skepticism about his ability to put two and fucking two together.
 
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