Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

Michael Larkin, yes good point, Koch's Postulates, let's see the beef here. That's what I was alluding to above re viral isolation, but didn't come out and state it. Thomas Rivers rewrote Koch's Postulates though, in a very real way, he watered it down completely. Nothing can replace the original 19th century Koch's Postulates given to us by Robert Koch of course, all the hi-tech doodads we have today do not override the need to evidence pathogenecity, and the only way is the original Koch's Postulates. Rivers rewrote it, because virologists and pathologists were not succeeding in evidencing Koch's Postulates in the first decades of the 20th century! Instead of questioning their assumptions, they doubled down. Cowan speaks of how they haven't evidenced KP with SARS-CoV-2, failing in this regard with mice, including genetically altered mice which are prone to illness. But the knee-jerk defenders of Big Medicine don't appear to bother with looking at what Cowan says in his own words. And the literature he actually addresses claiming SARS-CoV-2 isolation.

We have played the same games with HIV. Except it's not a funny game. This is all so much deja vu to me. And other AIDS dissidents from decades back.
 
They do. You just won't read them.
Project much? Have you read the corona virus dissident literature, Cowan, Kaufmann, Crowe, AIDS dissident literature, did you check the link I gave to the most comprehensive AIDS dissident site? Listen to the podcasts on corona virus dissent and problems with the testing? Literature critical of Big Pharma itself, from many medical insiders themselves? Are you untroubled by the skull and crossbones warning on the AZT label?
 
Michael Larkin, yes good point, Koch's Postulates, let's see the beef here. That's what I was alluding to above re viral isolation, but didn't come out and state it. Thomas Rivers rewrote Koch's Postulates though, in a very real way, he watered it down completely. Nothing can replace the original 19th century Koch's Postulates given to us by Robert Koch of course, all the hi-tech doodads we have today do not override the need to evidence pathogenecity, and the only way is the original Koch's Postulates. Rivers rewrote it, because virologists and pathologists were not succeeding in evidencing Koch's Postulates in the first decades of the 20th century! Instead of questioning their assumptions, they doubled down. Cowan speaks of how they haven't evidenced KP with SARS-CoV-2, failing in this regard with mice, including genetically altered mice which are prone to illness. But the knee-jerk defenders of Big Medicine don't appear to bother with looking at what Cowan says in his own words. And the literature he actually addresses claiming SARS-CoV-2 isolation.

We have played the same games with HIV. Except it's not a funny game. This is all so much deja vu to me. And other AIDS dissidents from decades back.
Yes, Rivers watered Koch's postulates down. But I doubt that Charlie can point to one paper that manages even to satisfy those. Just in case anyone's wondering, here are the postulates:

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They might be watered down, but I still doubt that Charlie will be able to come up with a paper explicitly verifying that even those have been employed in the case of COVID-19.
 
They might be watered down, but I still doubt that Charlie will be able to come up with a paper explicitly verifying that even those have been employed in the case of COVID-19.
Of course the second postulate would need to be modified for viruses - because these will only grow inside cells. However the practical point I think is that the end result must be pure virus - it must not have any trace of the cells used to culture it. The reason is that the only way to determine the genetic contents of the virus is to rupture the protein coat and release the RNA (in this case) for analysis. If at that point there is any RNA from the culture or from other sources, there is no way to know what comes from the virus and what is extraneous.

That is what Alex seems completely unable to appreciate!

David
 
Alex, maybe see if you can't get a virologist on for an interview to answer your y/n/m question and perhaps deal with some of the criticisms of the mainstream voiced in this thread.
 
This guy, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, pathologist and CEO of a company that produces COVID test kits:
https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

Had this to say about COVID:

Since this YouTube video will likely get removed at some point, I went to the trouble of taking the transcript generated by YouTube and cleaned it up a bit:

Mr. Chairman this is Dr Hodkinson. ... I do appreciate the opportunity to address you on this very important matter. What I'm going to say is lay language and blunt. It's counter-narrative. And so you don't immediately think I'm a quack I'm going to briefly outline my credentials so that you can understand where I'm coming from in terms of knowledge base in all of this. I'm a medical specialist in pathology which includes virology. I trained at Cambridge university in the UK. I'm the ex-president of the pathology section of the medical association. I was previously an assistant professor in the faculty of medicine doing a lot of teaching. I was the chairman of the Royal College of Physicians of Canada Examination Committee in Pathology in Ottawa, but more to the point I'm currently the chairman of a biotechnology company in North Carolina selling a COVID19 test and you might say I know a little bit about all this.

The bottom line is simply this there is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians. It's outrageous. This is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus other than protecting older more vulnerable people. It should be thought of as nothing more than a bad flu season. This is not Ebola. It's not SARS. It's politics playing medicine and that's a very dangerous game. There is no action of any kind needed other than what happened last year when we got sick, felt unwell, we stayed home. We took chicken noodle soup. We didn't visit granny and we decided when we would return to work. We didn't have anyone or need anyone to tell us. Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever. Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signaling. They're not even worn effectively most of the time. It's utterly ridiculous seeing these unfortunate uneducated people and not saying that in a purchaser's sense, seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face. Social distancing is also useless because because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing. And closures have had such terrible unintended consequences. Everywhere should be open tomorrow as was stated in the great Barrington Declaration that I circulated prior to this meeting.

And a word on testing: I do want to emphasize that I'm in the business of testing for COVID. I do want to emphasize that positive test results do not - underlined in neon - mean a clinical infection. It's simply driving public hysteria and all testing should stop unless you're presenting to hospital with some respiratory problem, all that should be done is to protect the vulnerable and to give them all in the nursing homes that are under your control give them all three to five thousand international units of vitamin D every day which which has been shown to radically reduce the likelihood of infection and I would remind you all that using the province's own statistics the risk of death under 65 in this province is 1 in 300,000, one in three hundred thousand.

You've got to get a grip on this. The scale of the response that you're undertaking with no evidence for it is utterly ridiculous given the consequences of acting in a way that you're proposing: all kinds of suicides business closures, funerals, weddings, etc. etc. It's simply outrageous it's just another bad Flu and you've got to get your minds around that; let people make their own decisions. You should be totally out of the business of medicine. You're being led by down the garden path by the chief medical officer of hell for this province. I'm absolutely outraged that this has reached this level. It should all stop tomorrow. Thank you very much.
Glad I made the transcript... that video went down quickly...
 

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IF the guy is wrong then you handled it right.
he is wrong... he thinks there isn't a covid-19 virus.

I realize it's sometimes hard to get these flat-earthers to really say what they mean... you might have seen a lot of that in this thread. so you always got to bring them back to the baseline question that exposes their flat earth mentality. in this case the question is:

do you think there's a covid-19 virus? y/n/m

when you hear someone avoid the question by dancing around, and qualifying, and talking about tests and terrain theory vs. Germ theory you know you were in flat earth territory... I mean, all those things are relevant to the overall plandemic, but they're not relevant to the question of whether or not they're really is a covid-19 virus.

So you can spend a lot of time and effort talking to someone and actually thinking you're getting some place... and actually thinking that you're agreeing on something only to later find out that there are flat earther... and then you're like, you know I really wouldn't have wasted all that time with you if I knew that you think that the earth is flat (i.e. really believe that there's no such thing as a covid-19 virus).
 

Alex

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this is the biggest outbreak of mass hysteria in world history. The gangster med profession's mad bad dreams have finally been realized, they run the world.
welcome. I agree with you re the above point.

I disagree with Cowan about whether there really is a covid-19 virus. as you can see in the links that I posted the best evidence we have suggest that the virus was engineered part of a bio weapons project. that leaves open the possibility that it was accidentally released versus intentionally released... but it's pretty dang hard to imagine the former given that everything we've been through... and ultimately it doesn't matter that much because the actions they've taken the release of the virus are clearly engineered... IMO
 

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https://homeopathic.com/science-friction-homeopathy-vs-the-debunkers/

Alex I love your work and the way you think. However I am going to question the claim that Nature magazine is so prestigious. It has a history of not supporting non conventional "science".
Starting with the claim that since another person got published in Nature and knowing that it is not so respected is a logical fallacy. So from the beginning we are not following the trivium. Calling it flat earth from there is off the mark in this case, it seems to me.
I get your point regarding nature... but my point was twofold:

1. first and foremost I was pointing out that the nature article was from 2016... so wacky dr. Tom's claim about " there is no covid-19 virus" looks even more ridiculous when you look at this 2016 publication in nature

2. I totally agree with you that they are constantly trying to rig the science game... but I also think they're careful and how they do it and that the system is still somewhat self-correcting. so there are still a lot of good competent, honest scientists that would take offense to a total b******* story in nature. ... That doesn't mean it couldn't happen... it doesn't mean it hasn't happened... but from my experience that's not the go-to starting point for rigging the science game IFKWIM
 

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Of course the second postulate would need to be modified for viruses - because these will only grow inside cells. However the practical point I think is that the end result must be pure virus - it must not have any trace of the cells used to culture it. The reason is that the only way to determine the genetic contents of the virus is to rupture the protein coat and release the RNA (in this case) for analysis. If at that point there is any RNA from the culture or from other sources, there is no way to know what comes from the virus and what is extraneous.

That is what Alex seems completely unable to appreciate!

David
are you saying that dr. Tom is full of crap re his claim that there is NOT a covid-19 virus?

because this is the big picture question, right? so whether they've purified it / isolated it to your satisfaction wouldn't be particularly relevant if we can agree that the best evidence suggests that covid-19 was engineered in a bioweapons lab, right? I mean we could do another 500 posts on postulates and other b******* but it all fades into the background once we acknowledge that the best evidence suggests that there are these bioweapons labs all over the world and they are routinely manipulating viruses like this in order to weaponize them. they are playing with ebola they're playing with sars they're playing with all sorts of crazy s*** in order to " protect us" ( I mean what if our enemies released one of these on us) and they might be playing around with them in order to use them on people they don't like.
 
They do. You just won't read them.
I honestly don’t understand how you could read his post and then say what you just said. You keep posting the same mainstream rebuttal articles that don’t actually address what people are contesting. They are saying they do a bunch of laboratory activities and the say those activities are “isolating a pathogenic entity”. But those laboratory activities are not doing that.
 
are you saying that dr. Tom is full of crap re his claim that there is NOT a covid-19 virus?

because this is the big picture question, right? so whether they've purified it / isolated it to your satisfaction wouldn't be particularly relevant if we can agree that the best evidence suggests that covid-19 was engineered in a bioweapons lab, right? I mean we could do another 500 posts on postulates and other b******* but it all fades into the background once we acknowledge that the best evidence suggests that there are these bioweapons labs all over the world and they are routinely manipulating viruses like this in order to weaponize them. they are playing with ebola they're playing with sars they're playing with all sorts of crazy s*** in order to " protect us" ( I mean what if our enemies released one of these on us) and they might be playing around with them in order to use them on people they don't like.
if I was in charge of running this psyop I would love to have "useful idiots" like dr.tom dividing the opposition this way.
you’ve gone into Alex Jones territory. It would ease your mind somewhat if you can grasp the reality that they can’t engineer “viruses” in labs. Sure, they can make new poisons and bombs and all kinds of crazy shit. But This pathogenic entity they refer to as the coronavirus does not exist. The concept exists to push the vaccine, which is a bioweapon, but the little monster they show you a picture of on TV that supposedly escaped from a Wuhan Lab is not real. That story is The disinformation.
 
Glad I made the transcript... that video went down quickly...
YouTube censorship has now become intense it's both hilarious and beneficial.

In the past it was difficult to convince people that Big Pharma, Big Tech, Big Media, and Wall Street colluded to harm and exploit working class people.

This new Soviet-like narrative control now makes that task much easier for those of us on the Dissident Right.

I converted that YouTube to an .mp3 file and uploaded Dr. Hodkinson's complaint to a website where it won't be deleted. Here...

https://gofile.io/d/6EBWSx

I would have included your transcript, but the permitted description space was limited.
 
So you can spend a lot of time and effort talking to someone and actually thinking you're getting some place... and actually thinking that you're agreeing on something only to later find out that there are flat earther
I genuinely desire to learn if there is something wrong with the science around Covid-19.

Dismissing them outright as "flat-earthers" doesn't do that. I agree that the amount of time they spend moving the goal posts, attacking strawmen, and poisoning the well wastes a lot of my time, but a fair assesment would benefit everyone.
 
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