Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

And yet, we don't know anyone who has died of COVID - all the cases we have heard of have had mild symptoms, treated at home.
Yes, we do David. I've mentioned my personal experience previously.

Predictably its pawned off as a mischaracterization of COVID; that it was my uncle's time after all; etc. I'm not immune to this logic as there is certainly kernels of truth in it. However, using it as a means to weaponize a counter argument is another thing.
 
this would seem to be inconsistent w/ Dr. Tom's claims, right?

Why does Dr. Anthony Fauci’s name appear on 4 U.S. patents for a key glycoprotein that appears to have been inserted into a SARS virus chassis to create the current COVID-19 epidemic?
The legal portal Justia.com lists the following “patents by inventor Anthony S. Fauci” involving a glycoprotein found in the HIV-1, a disease that attacks the human immune system, leading to the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, more commonly known as AIDS. In 1990, Fauci held the same position at the NIH that he holds today. Fauci made his mark around the anti-viral medications that were developed by Big Pharma to combat the AIDS epidemic raging at that time.
This same glycoprotein, identified as Glycoprotein 120, or simply as GP120, has also been found to be a key component of the current COVID-19, a disease that appears to combine a HIV-1 attack on the human immune system, with SARS CoV-1, the pathogen from the original SARS (“Severe Acute Respiratory System”) that created an international pandemic in 2002-2003. The pathogen in COVID-19 is named SARS CoV-2 in medical scientific literature.

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https://c-vine.com/blog/2020/05/07/follow-the-money-fauci-holds-4-covid-19-related-patents/
This ( although I don't completely understand the details of it) would also seem to contradict doctor, tom ( and kaufman and the rest):

Jin H, Hong C, Chen S, et al. in an article entitled “Consensus for prevention and management of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) for neurologists,” accepted March 31, 2020 for publication by Stroke & Vascular Neurology {2020;0. doi:10.1136/ svn-2020-000382] notes the following:

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and HIV gp120 protein are both recognition proteins on the membrane surface, but their pathogenic mechanisms are quite different. The spike protein enables SARS-CoV-2 to identify ACE2 receptors in the mucosal epithelium and invade. However, the gp120 protein in HIV allows HIV to recognize the CD4 receptor and invade CD4+ T cells.2 There is currently no evidence indicating that SARS-CoV-2 is capable of invading T cells, any cells that express CD4 or any cells that do not express ACE2. SARS-CoV-2 does not invade cells that are not prone to infection by other known coronaviruses.

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the entirety of the article is quite alarming... more so than a "virus of the mind"
https://corsination.com/why-does-fauci-hold-patents-on-a-key-hiv-component-used-to-create-covid-19/
How exactly do these contradict Dr. Cowan's research?

All it shows is that Dr. Fauci (or his 'team') manufactured something with the same spike protein as the exosome that is being mislabeled as "SARS-CoV-2". This doesn't mean that what Dr. Fauci created is actually being spread around as a new type of virus; it could simply mean that this technology is to be used in future vaccines designed to function similarly as the exosome being blamed for COVID (which is to attach to a cell, enter it, and then replicate its RNA).

It absolutely is evidence of how corrupt the entire medical industry is, and absolutely a reason to be skeptical of anything that comes out of Dr. Fauci's mouth and any vaccine that's developed for this disease. But I fail to see how it contradicts any of Dr. Cowan's work.
 
OK, I have been meaning to come to this, because I have seen mention of this idea elsewhere. I think the point is, this is a more extreme idea that is best introduced as a thread of its own. That doesn't mean I discount it, just that it doesn't really help in the context of the COVID disaster because there are zillions of more immediate issues to deal with.

Do you realise that any forum member can start their own thread - e.g. in here:

https://www.skeptiko-forum.com/forums/extended-consciousness/

I suggest you do that, giving a decent introduction to the idea and a few of the best links. Then people will discuss it free from all the emotion involved in this thread.

I know "extended-consciousness" doesn't sound like the ideal place to put something like this, but this idea is at least extended medical science, and probably involves some non-materialist ideas, so it seems reasonable.

David
Sorry, but I disagree. I think it is fundamental to this conversation. Alex keeps asking people if
we believe Covid is a “Virus of the mind”, but that can only be answered by explaining what a “Virus” has been claimed to be from the beginning. From the foundations of Allopathic medicine. The idea that there are microbes attacking us, has been a convenient way to avoid culpability by industrialists. Polio was caused by heavy metal poisoning and blamed on a “Virus, etc... This is exactly the thread to discuss whether “Viruses” exist, no?
 
I suspect you're probably right.

But then I'm even more confused about your response to this interview. sure, I gave dr. Tom a short leash but his" there is no virus... it's just a virus of the mind" that these guys have talked david icke into is really mucking up the more nuanced and probably correct picture you're painting.
It’s so funny how you say “talked David Icke into believing”. David Icke says he believes that the moon is man made. He is most probably the definition of what you are accusing Tom Cowan, et al, of being. He gathers popular “conspiracy theories” and uses his charisma to build a following. Most likely an agent. He took very plausible 9/11 conspiracies and steered them towards Annunaki overlords and archons. It’s so funny how you think he’s the one being fooled here. Again, I implore you, look deeper into the history of Industrial toxicity and germ theory.
 

Alex

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Lab-Made? SARS-CoV-2 Genealogy Through the Lens of Gain-of-Function Research

Yuri Deigin

Apr 22·64 min read





Staff celebrating the physical completion of the laboratory in 2015, Wuhan, China (Source)
If you hear anyone claim “we know the virus didn’t come from a lab”, don’t buy it — it may well have. Labs around the globe have been creating synthetic viruses like CoV2 for years. And no, its genome would not necessarily contain hallmarks of human manipulation: modern genetic engineering tools permit cutting and pasting genomic fragments without leaving a trace. It can be done quickly, too: it took a Swiss team less than a month to create a synthetic clone of CoV2.​
How I Learned to Start Worrying
Oh, come on. Lab-made? Nonsense! Back in January, that was my knee-jerk reaction when ideas that Covid-19 is caused by a laboratory leak had just surfaced. Bioweapon? Well, that is just Flat Earth crazies territory. Thus, whenever I kept hearing anything about non-natural origins of SARS-CoV-2, I brushed it aside under similar sentiments. So what if there is a virology institute in Wuhan? Who knows how many of those are sprinkled throughout China.

At some point, it became necessary to brush such theories aside in a substantiated manner, as their proponents began to back up their theses about the possible artificial nature of the virus with arguments from molecular biology, and when engaging them in debate, I wanted to smash their conspiracy theories with cold, hard scientific facts. Just like that Nature paper (or so I thought).

So it was then, in pursuit of arguments against the virus’s lab-madeness, that I got infected by the virus of doubt. What was the source of my doubts? The fact that the deeper you dive into the research activities of coronavirologists over the past 15–20 years, the more you realize that creating chimeras like CoV2 was commonplace in their labs. And CoV2 is an obvious chimera (though not nesessarily a lab-made one), which is based on the ancestral bat strain RaTG13, in which the receptor binding motif (RBM) in its spike protein is replaced by the RBM from a pangolin strain, and in addition, a small but very special stretch of 4 amino acids is inserted, which creates a furin cleavage site that, as virologists have previously established, significantly expands the “repertoire” of the virus in terms of whose cells it can penetrate. Most likely, it was thanks to this new furin site that the new mutant managed to jump species from its original host to humans.

Indeed, virologists, including the leader of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Shi Zhengli, have done many similar things in the past — both replacing the RBM in one type of virus by an RBM from another, or adding a new furin site that can provide a species-specific coronavirus with an ability to start using the same receptor (e.g. ACE2) in other species. In fact, Shi Zhengli’s group was creating chimeric constructs as far back as 2007 and as recently as 2017, when they created a whole of 8 new chimeric coronaviruses with various RBMs. In 2019 such work was in full swing, as WIV was part of a $3.7 million NIH grant titled Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence. Under its auspices, Shi Zhengli co-authored a 2019 paper that called for continued research into synthetic viruses and testing them in vitro and in vivo:
 
My family has been exposed to all those thing for ten years. We don't have 5g in my area.

They got sick from some type of bug. This EMR stuff poisons the well and thus harms our political fight to stop Covid tyranny.

Please go start your own thread about EMR as the Administrator recommended.
Russia weaponized the Ebola virus and it was, for sure, "studied" in US Govt labs as well as other countries.

I'm still waiting for a virus "theory" denier to volunteer to be injected with a suspension containing the isolated virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3497034/
My family has been exposed to all those thing for ten years. We don't have 5g in my area.

They got sick from some type of bug. This EMR stuff poisons the well and thus harms our political fight to stop Covid tyranny.

Please go start your own thread about EMR as the Administrator recommended.

Sorry, but I disagree. I think it is fundamental to this conversation. Alex keeps asking people if
we believe Covid is a “Virus of the mind”, but that can only be answered by explaining what a “Virus” has been claimed to be from the beginning. From the foundations of Allopathic medicine. .. This is exactly the thread to discuss whether “Viruses” exist, no?
"The idea that there are microbes attacking us, has been a convenient way to avoid culpability by industrialists. Polio was caused by heavy metal poisoning and blamed on a “Virus, etc".

- And, of course, this is a similar situation. The telecommunications industry are very keen to avoid acknowledging that wireless radiation is making people sick, despite the science, despite all the studies that we now have to show conclusively that harm is being caused, and despite the fact that telecom companies know that EMR is harmful, of course, as they have all put warnings out to their shareholders saying that they could be subjected to lawsuits in the future. So the virus, qua cause of illness, provides a nice cover for them - it's misdirection.

It's also interesting to note how quickly anyone suggesting a link between 5G and illness is quickly shut down, censored on the big tech internet sites like youtube. If there was nothing in the claims, would it matter? They could dismiss it easily. if 5G is safe, why. have there been no safety studies done? - why the mad scramble to get it rolled out? Well, it's all part of the AI take-over, the smart agenda, the Internet of Things, the infrastructure for the surveillance and AI total control smart grid, as well as a contribution to the depopulation agenda - they got quite a range of frequencies to play with. So, of course, if people understand it's not healthy, that it's possibly going to kill people, then they would have to stop the roll-out, wouldn't they? So having the virus is perfect cover for any harm that the 5G network, or EMR generally, is causing - blame it on the virus.

This is why, I'll say it again, if viruses aren't the cause of disease, if the idea doesn't hold up, if Pasteur was a fraud, and if the terrain theory has more plausibility now, then I'd say it's the most important topic of this time - if we can get this clarified, they can't hide EMR harm behind the myth of a virus anymore. And that's bloody important. That's very important. And I think that's what's happened. We have a fake virus pandemic - hence all the false positives, from PCR tests, the forged death certificates,"died with" Covid, even if you fell down the stairs, cash incentives for diagnosing Covid, mass testing - if it was a real pandemic they wouldn't have to go to such lengths, people would be ill and be dying all over the place, and the mortality statistics would show it - none of this faking and testing would be necessary.

So, now they have 5G in schools, and in the LED lamps, no doubt, ready and waiting to go, and when and if people do get ill, they got the virus to blame for it, or a mutation of the virus, or a new strain of the virus, that jumped from pigs this time, like it did in the Event 201 scenario, and they can justify the vaccinations and all the other evils, they will use this manufactured health crisis for. I don't think anything in this thread has been irrelevant - because we're working it out, clarifying the situation we're in. A fake pandemic. No real virus, because viruses don't cause disease anyway. To me this is fundamental....you can keep bleating around on the surface, arguing about bats and Wuhan labs, and all the rest but that just perpetuates the myth that there is a virus causing a disease....but if viruses don't cause disease? - then none of it matters. It's a deception, a lie, a medical myth being used to cover the genocide of humanity, and to commence the eugenicist reduction of the population, as well as facilitating other UN and World Economic Forum goals, such as the Great (economic) Reset - China-style communism, communitarianism for the entire world.
 
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Alex

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It’s so funny how you say “talked David Icke into believing”. David Icke says he believes that the moon is man made. He is most probably the definition of what you are accusing Tom Cowan, et al, of being. He gathers popular “conspiracy theories” and uses his charisma to build a following. Most likely an agent. He took very plausible 9/11 conspiracies and steered them towards Annunaki overlords and archons. It’s so funny how you think he’s the one being fooled here. Again, I implore you, look deeper into the history of Industrial toxicity and germ theory.
do you think covid-19 is a virus of the mind? y/n/m
( my apologies if you've already answered that in this thread)
 
do you think covid-19 is a virus of the mind? y/n/m
( my apologies if you've already answered that in this thread)
This discussion is a waste of time. You don’t actually read what people write. I already stated that I think what they pass off as “Viruses” are not the cause of disease. Covid-19 is not caused by a “Virus” - because viruses don’t cause disease.
 
I see nothing in that article that reconciles with the scientific fact that biological lifeforms- be they human, bat, pangolin, or whatever- produce exosomes in response to cellular threats, and that there are exosomes that have the exact same characteristics and the exact same functions of this "coronavirus"-- same size, shape, ACE2 spike protein, replication (or "infection") process, found in epithelial/lung cells, etc.

I see nothing in that article that dispels Dr. Cowan's theory that these exosomes are responding to an external threat that is affecting the lungs, or debunking the science around how non-ionizing frequency waves at the range of 5G can affect oxygen intake of the cells.

I see nothing in that article abut how Koch's postulates were fulfilled in proving the existence of a harmful contagion.

I do see a very smart guy going very deep into all the mainstream "science" of this "virus", though. The whole "this virus was clearly engineered in a lab in Wuhan" story could just as easily be disinformation planted to keep people like you from being objective about the actual scientific evidence.

y/n/m?
 
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"The idea that there are microbes attacking us, has been a convenient way to avoid culpability by industrialists. Polio was caused by heavy metal poisoning and blamed on a “Virus, etc".

- And, of course, this is a similar situation. The telecommunications industry are very keen to avoid acknowledging that wireless radiation is making people sick, despite the science, despite all the studies that we now have to show conclusively that harm is being caused, and despite the fact that telecom companies know that EMR is harmful, of course, as they have all put warnings out to their shareholders saying that they could be subjected to lawsuits in the future. So the virus, qua cause of illness, provides a nice cover for them - it's misdirection. It's also interesting to note how quickly anyone suggesting a link between 5G and illness is quickly shut down, censored on the big tech internet sites like youtube. If there was nothing in the claims, would it matter? They could dismiss it easily. if 5G is safe, why. have there been no safety studies done? - why the mad scramble to get it rolled out? Well, it's all part of the AI take-over, the smart agenda, the Internet of Things, the infrastructure for the surveillance and AI total control smart grid, as well as a contribution to the depopulation agenda - they got quite a range of frequencies to play with. So, of course, if people understand it's not healthy, that it's possibly going to kill people, then they would have to stop the roll-out, wouldn't they? So having the virus is perfect cover for any harm that the 5G network, or EMR generally, is causing - blame it on the virus. This is why, I'll say it again, if viruses aren't the cause of disease, if the idea doesn't hold up, if Pasteur was a fraud, and if the terrain theory has more plausibility now, then I'd say it's the most important topic of this time - if we can get this clarified, they can't hide EMR harm behind the myth of a virus anymore. And that's bloody important. That's very important. And I think that's what's happened. We have a fake virus pandemic - hence all the false positives, from PCR tests, the forged death certificates,"died with" Covid, even if you fell down the stairs, cash incentives for diagnosing Covid, mass testing - if it was a real pandemic they wouldn't have to go to such lengths, people would be ill and be dying all over the place, and the mortality statistics would show it - none of this faking and testing would be necessary. So, now they have 5G in schools, and in the LED lamps, no doubt, ready and waiting to go, and when and if people do get ill, they got the virus to blame for it, or a mutation of the virus, or a new strain of the virus, that jumped from pigs this time, like it did in the Event 201 scenario, and they can justify the vaccinations and all the other evils, they will use this manufactured health crisis for. I don't think anything in this thread has been irrelevant - because we're working it out, clarifying the situation we're in. A fake pandemic. No real virus, because viruses don't cause disease anyway. To me this is fundamental....you can keep bleating around on the surface, arguing about bats and Wuhan labs, and all the rest but that just perpetuates the myth that there is a virus causing a disease....but if viruses don't cause disease? - then none of it matters. It's a deception, a lie, a medical myth being used to cover the genocide of humanity, and to commence the eugenicist reduction of the population.
Alistor, Your posts are quite good, but could I ask you a favour? Introduce appreciably more paragraph breaks as it would make them much more easily readable.
 
Are you insane.? Poisoning the well? I am a human being. Rest assured of that. I only joined this group to comment because of Alex’s interview with Dr Cowan. I’ve been listening to the show for almost 2 years and have never felt the need to come on here. I don’t have “an avatar” because I didn’t even notice that I was supposed to. I don’t know what’s weird about my posting habits. Can you enlighten me? And is it supposed to be Ironic that you said “poisoning the well” when I’m trying to point to industrial toxins and malnutrition as the main cause of disease and not “invisible microbes”. Have I given you enough proof that I’m human? Do you want a DNA sample?
 
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Wow - so much is coming out in this thread.

First of all, I'd urge Viberaider and Alistor to take advantage of the ability of any user here to start new threads. This is not an attempt to silence anyone, absolutely the contrary, but it is possible to end up with one big debate here in which nothing ends up being settled - or even generally understood.

Those two ideas are both worthy of discussion, but it absolutely needs to be a focussed debate (to which I hope to contribute) that hammers out some issues. There is simply way too much stuff being discussed in this one thread.

Would it help if I were to set up the relevant threads to discuss these aspects - I'd rather you two did, because then you would get to write the top entry that everyone will read.

Alex also raises the question of whether COVID is man made. I think this too is entirely possible, and again it is worth some serious discussion, and yet the COVID debate really revolves round something else - are the lockdowns necessary to cope with this virus, or are we being fooled into a massive panic response that is causing many countries unbelievable amounts of harm. My hunch is that COVID was created artificially and was released to use the whole pandemic mechanism, but that it was soon obvious that it was a dud (perhaps its predecessor was also a dud), and that someone decided to continue the scam by massively exaggerating the harm that it could do.

The origin of COVID is a slightly different issue, as is the question of whether the deaths are being counted in a reasonable way, or whether the PCR tests are providing useful data.

Are you insane.? Poisoning the well? I am a human being. Rest assured of that. I only joined this group to comment because of Alex’s interview with Dr Cowan. I’ve been listening to the show for almost 2 years and have never felt the need to come on here. I don’t have “an avatar” because I didn’t even notice that I was supposed to. I don’t know what’s weird about my posting habits. Can you enlighten me? And is it supposed to be Ironic that you said “poisoning the well” when I’m trying to point to industrial toxins and malnutrition as the main cause of disease and not “invisible microbes”. Have I given you enough proof that I’m human? Do you want a DNA sample?
You are very much valued here, but I want to get to see your argument that microbes are not really the cause of disease - obviously it isn't intuitive to most of us, so the case needs careful justification freed from all the noises off in this thread. I am already aware, for example, of this book

https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9780306440731

I don't own it and haven't read it, but I have read a remarkable summary of its findings. At the time of the Spanish flu some efforts were made to test how easy it was to transmit flu from patients to fit volunteers. To begin with they just put the volunteers in wards with the flu patients, but then when none of the volunteers got sick, they used successively more drastic methods to attempt to transmit the flu to the sick volunteers, culminating in swabbing the noses and mouths of the patients and wiping the mucus to the mouths and noses of the volunteers. Incredibly none of this worked, and they concluded that some extra factor X was needed to get viral transmission. It has later been suggested that only people deficcient in Vitamin D could be infected - which is why my partner and I take 2000 IU of Vitamin D every morning!

As some of you may have noticed, one of my hobby horses, is that evolution by natural selection is almost certainly false. I throw it in here simply to make one point - which is that the science establishment can be massively corrupt - every bit of what they say has to be agonised over. This video is short and funny, and should leave you with some fresh doubts about the honesty of science.


By now, It is very very hard to know which bits of science as it is told now are honest. Please don't discuss its details here - I'll post it into my thread about Michael Behe's book for that.

David
 
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Are you insane.? Poisoning the well? I am a human being. Rest assured of that. I only joined this group to comment because of Alex’s interview with Dr Cowan. I’ve been listening to the show for almost 2 years and have never felt the need to come on here. I don’t have “an avatar” because I didn’t even notice that I was supposed to. I don’t know what’s weird about my posting habits. Can you enlighten me? And is it supposed to be Ironic that you said “poisoning the well” when I’m trying to point to industrial toxins and malnutrition as the main cause of disease and not “invisible microbes”. Have I given you enough proof that I’m human? Do you want a DNA sample?
You'll have to excuse Charlie... he don't take kindly to strangers round these parts.
 
You'll have to excuse Charlie... he don't take kindly to strangers round these parts.
Just doin' my job bro! :)

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Not to go off on a tangent, but as 5G is part of Dr. Cowan's argument regarding COVID, it's important to note the especially pervasive nature of 5G, which is that- because it has a higher frequency and can't travel as far as the lower cellular frequencies of 4G and 3G ("G" meaning "generation", not to be confused with "Gigahertz")- every 5G device essentially doubles as a 5G antenna. So rather than someone's 5G phone signal being routed to a cell tower, it's instead being routed nextdoor to someone's smart fridge, then across the street to someone else's gaming console, then periodically to the smart cars passing down the street, then to the tower. So the signal is all over the place and not just increasing in frequency over 4G but also increasing our exposure to the entire electro-smog of our environment alltogether.
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My son is in this field, he said it is the continued exposure that is going to get us. I know back in Oct. 2019 when this started up in Wuhan, they all were saying it had to do with 5G. But, that just sounded like "conspiracy". What I saw in Wuhan was those people were protesting the 5G being set up. Also, what happened to them was different than here. They were just falling over in the streets & going into some kind of spasms. Real scary what went on there.
 
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