Dr. Tom Cowan Insists We Show Him Covid-19 |472|

Wow - so much is coming out in this thread.

First of all, I'd urge Viberaider and Alistor to take advantage of the ability of any user here to start new threads. This is not an attempt to silence anyone, absolutely the contrary, but it is possible to end up with one big debate here in which nothing ends up being settled - or even generally understood.

Those two ideas are both worthy of discussion, but it absolutely needs to be a focussed debate (to which I hope to contribute) that hammers out some issues. There is simply way too much stuff being discussed in this one thread.

Would it help if I were to set up the relevant threads to discuss these aspects - I'd rather you two did, because then you would get to write the top entry that everyone will read.

Alex also raises the question of whether COVID is man made. I think this too is entirely possible, and again it is worth some serious discussion, and yet the COVID debate really revolves round something else - are the lockdowns necessary to cope with this virus, or are we being fooled into a massive panic response that is causing many countries unbelievable amounts of harm. My hunch is that COVID was created artificially and was released to use the whole pandemic mechanism, but that it was soon obvious that it was a dud (perhaps its predecessor was also a dud), and that someone decided to continue the scam by massively exaggerating the harm that it could do.

The origin of COVID is a slightly different issue, as is the question of whether the deaths are being counted in a reasonable way, or whether the PCR tests are providing useful data.



You are very much valued here, but I want to get to see your argument that microbes are not really the cause of disease - obviously it isn't intuitive to most of us, so the case needs careful justification freed from all the noises off in this thread. I am already aware, for example, of this book

https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9780306440731

I don't own it and haven't read it, but I have read a remarkable summary of its findings. At the time of the Spanish flu some efforts were made to test how easy it was to transmit flu from patients to fit volunteers. To begin with they just put the volunteers in wards with the flu patients, but then when none of the volunteers got sick, they used successively more drastic methods to attempt to transmit the flu to the sick volunteers, culminating in swabbing the noses and mouths of the patients and wiping the mucus to the mouths and noses of the volunteers. Incredibly none of this worked, and they concluded that some extra factor X was needed to get viral transmission. It has later been suggested that only people deficcient in Vitamin D could be infected - which is why my partner and I take 2000 IU of Vitamin D every morning!

As some of you may have noticed, one of my hobby horses, is that evolution by natural selection is almost certainly false. I throw it in here simply to make one point - which is that the science establishment can be massively corrupt - every bit of what they say has to be agonised over. This video is short and funny, and should leave you with some fresh doubts about the honesty of science.


By now, It is very very hard to know which bits of science as it is told now are honest. Please don't discuss its details here - I'll post it into my thread about Michael Behe's book for that.

David
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COVID was created in a lab. No doubt about that. We know this because we (the US & Fauci) were at Lab 4 in Wuhan in 2018 & 2019 (working on coronaviruses). The military games were going on at that time in Wuhan (hence how it spread to Europe so fast). How it got out? Accident or on purpose? Don't know. But, who was the ass that said "don't let a good crisis go to waste"? yeah, HIM! So now they are.

We know they had plans because we saw the agendas the meetings & the plans. What shocked me was how many people fell for it ESPECIALLY how other countries just followed the U.S.! PURE insanity to follow us!

I don't have the time to figure out exactly how the pieces fit I'm too busy running from nonsense! BUT, I got some ideas... Let's think a second.. have we seen Fauci & Gates together? Those 2 are real pieces of work. Next, this election (and I really don't care at this point) BUT, we would need Biden to press this all along.

So who invested in the voting machines? Microsoft once again involved in there & I think the guy that fronted this died *cough in 2018. He'd have to die, he'd know way too much.

I have no idea at this point, but these freaks: Bill Gates, Fauci, Clinton, Jeffery Epstein are ALWAY in the damn mix. None of us would hang with that ass bite J.Epstein NONE OF US. So, this BS of Bill Gates (ah I didn't know) but I gave a lot of $$$ to him. BUT yeah, I didn't know him. RIGHT!

That SOB (Gates) killed or maimed something like 500,000 kids in India. and you know what is REAL funny?! When you google this, it's been wiped from most of the internet. I just happen to have a doctor from India (and she goes there often).

If they can't corral us, they are going to kill us. They will force that vaccine on us one way or the other. I'm NOT doing it. Expect my postcard w/new forwarding address "Covid Camp #666".
 
point taken. as I've mentioned previously, part of the problem is I had spent so much time trying to get these basics points across to matt belair it was only more and more frustrated hey. my bad for bringing a short fuse into the show :)
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No, I like it. I really appreciate when you grill people :) I can't say you're wrong or right. Cause on one hand we don't need to waste a lot of time with nonsense. On the other hand, you have to give them enough rope.

All in all, I really liked it when you become unhinged. At least I know I'm not the only one. Note my photo LOL
 
So what's the difference between what is shown in those pictures as a "virus" and the type of exosome that communicates with and protects our lung cells?
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I'm a forensic accountant not a PCR lab wiz. I could ask the guy I know at one of the PCR labs if we REALLY wanted to know. How about you show us a picture of this "exosome" you speak of??? I got one mug shot of an exosome & it doesn't look like the coronavirus. I will attach it. Meanwhile, if I do get a chance I will ask my PCR lab guy some Q's.. such as did we isolate it. He's prob. going to just say yes if that has been reported (?) That is what most people do, just Google & go.

Here is an exosome:
 

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Just doin' my job bro! :)

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Wow thanks for that link. I knew AI was getting good, but that is impressive!
 
Never heard of terrain theory of disease before, so I searched for info. Found a couple of links:

https://dreddymd.com/2020/01/30/germ-vs-terrain-theory-which-do-we-adopt-to-be-healthy/

https://seedsofawareness.com.au/understanding-the-terrain-theory-of-disease/

Big surprise -- Wikipedia labels this as pseudoscientific "Germ theory denialism". And doesn't mention the putative deathbed statement of Pasteur agreeing that terrain theory was correct.

The most notable thing for me was that microorganisms/germs are claimed by the terrain theorists to be pleomorphic, i.e. capable of existing in/evolving into different forms. This article is an interesting read with its discussion of microzymas.

I don't know quite what to make of it all. But I see a familiar pattern -- consensus science deciding in favour of one theory at the expense of other theories and doing its best to marginalise all dissent.

Why, oh why do we always do this? Why must we always have one dominant theory, and why aren't more people able to investigate whatever empirical evidence they can find in whatever way they might wish? Terrain theory may or may not be correct, but we'll never know if it's rejected out of hand by the high priests of medicine.

Alex, my friend, I was extremely disappointed by your interview. Perhaps particularly when conducted by a man who wrote a book about science being wrong about almost everything: but not, apparently, in respect of an opinion its author happens to hold.

If you have a guest on, please let them at least make their case before dismissing them out of hand. Be courteous to them, but just as much, to your listeners, who might want to hear the story before you launch an attack or plunge into "third level" discussion that, sans sufficient grounding, flies right over their heads.

I hope you'll forgive me for opining so, but I think most of your interviews these days neglect your listeners and leave them wondering what the heck you are talking about. One reason I don't post so much recently is that you've become so opinionated about so many things: you're the only one with a firm grip on reality and everyone else is a dunderhead. Where's the true philosophical scepticism gone? You know, the continuous acceptance of the possibility that one may be wrong -- and someone else, or neither for that matter, right?
 
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My son is in this field, he said it is the continued exposure that is going to get us. I know back in Oct. 2019 when this started up in Wuhan, they all were saying it had to do with 5G. But, that just sounded like "conspiracy". What I saw in Wuhan was those people were protesting the 5G being set up. Also, what happened to them was different than here. They were just falling over in the streets & going into some kind of spasms. Real scary what went on there.
That was China - we really can't know what the hell was going on there. Surely the most obvious possibility would be that something toxic was spread about to create panic.

The thing is, computer repair people often run machines with the whole thing open. There are frequencies of about 1 GHz and more in there, but these are clock signals with square edged pulses. That means the engineers will be exposed to many harmonics of 1 GHz spreading up to 5 GHz or more. I'd believe this 5G argument a lot more if these people were falling over at their desks!

RF waves are ultimately dangerous because they heat - as in a microwave oven - but they are not mutagenic like X-rays or gamma rays.

I have also read suggestions that 60 GHz radiation can cause oxygen in the air to convert to singlet oxygen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlet_oxygen

However this is at a much higher frequency, and fortunately the fact that O2 absorbs this frequency makes it unsuitable for communication.

David
 
First post here...

Have to say Alex if you are going to interview a guy who of course by his own admission holds maverick opinions on virology and covid, let him get his word in, let him lay out his case, and then come in with your skepticism. Also how many of you know anything about virology? Microbiology and cellular pathology for that matter? As an AIDS dissident myself, I was a COVID-19 skeptic from day one, that is a skeptic on the very existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and everything that has happened over the past year only confirms my worst suspicions and then some. The virus does not exist - and no we are not the crackpots. If everybody else is running around with terror and panic, over the sky falling in, fearful of an invisible demon that does not exist, shutting down the world, putting hundreds of millions out of work, everybody with masks, social distancing etc. and not even vaguely knowing the basics of virology - who exactly has lost their minds here?

Go to Cowan's website, there is a 40 minute video where he goes over the literature on the isolation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and how it falls way short of what is needed to demonstrate the isolation of the virus, that is its very existence. It is simply shocking but is not surprising - a repeat of the HIV isolation that is not. And it is relevant to bring up HIV/AIDS, because unless you accept the science put foward by AIDS dissidents, you are not going to even look in to SARS-CoV-2 virus, as simple as that. The one follows from the other. You may disagree with Cowan here on the corona virus, okay, but at least listen to what he has to say. Why not just buy his book if you can, read his book, make up your own mind. But read it! If you don't know what Cowan and other corona dissidents are even saying, how can you know they are wrong? To just dismiss what he has to say without even knowing what he says, reminds me of the psi debunkers just dismissing telepathy and remote viewing, routinely without even looking into the literature on the subject. And for that matter the same applies with what AIDS dissidents such as the Perth Group and Stefan Lanka have to say about HIV isolation, and how it has not been achieved. You may once again beg to differ, but read their papers, watch the documentaries, listen to the interviews etc. they have done. There are of course books on the subject. There is now a significant literature on the subject of HIV/AIDS dissent, and the censorship they have faced has been brutal. Ask yourself why the censorship? Why does any authority, whether political, ideological, religious and 'scientific', resort to blanket and brutal censorship? Is it because the truth is on the side of those doing the censorship?

Some of you talking about the virus was created in a lab and got out blah blah, how is that when we haven't even demonstrated the existence of this virus? It's like HIV was created in a lab, plenty of conspiracies about that, same thing, how so when there is no evidence that HIV exists? So many parallels here. Ironically Montagnier who won the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV, thinks the SARS-CoV-2 virus is a lab creation!

Cowan is not the only person of a med background saying this corona virus (and HIV for that matter) does not exist. Alexov, a Bulgarian senior pathologist, Canadian molecular biologist Rosemary Frei, AIDS dissident virologist Stefan Lanka, say likewise that there is no evidence that this corona virus exists. The late AIDS dissident Canadian activist who died from cancer a few months ago, David Crowe, wrote an online book dissenting on the corona virus's very existence and all the problems with the testing etc. In fact it should almost be taken as a given that AIDS dissident scientists, journalists etc. are at minimum COVID-19 lockdown skeptics, and for the most part one assumes skeptics even of the virus's very existence. Instead of going off half-cocked on virus dissidents here, look at what they are saying in their own words. Maybe we are crazy, but look at who we are... I mean the scientists here, investigative journalists, activists with decades of grueling and thankless activism, and with their own extensive studies of the subject (I am actually talking about HIV/AIDS here specifically); includes very prestigious scientists, with decades experience, and look at what they are saying in their own words. About everything. This will take a long time, because there is a lot to know and the nitty-gritty science is difficult. As is the long disastrous history of modern medicine, inseparable from this current COVID-19 fiasco. And only once you have gotten to grips with the extensive AIDS dissident literature, and even the numerous other blunders and frauds in modern medicine, can one really tackle the current crisis, that is the corona virus hysteria. None of this is happening in a vacuum. Disagree with this radical medical dissent, fine, but at least get to grips with their arguments. I have to say - I have not seen it done by the medical orthodoxy here. Not even close.

Nothing about COVID-19 makes any sense. This is the biggest outbreak of mass hysteria in world history, made inevitable by the global village we are all living in now. If Amazon banned Cowan's book, ask yourself why? If the truth is on the side of the mainstream, why do they need to resort to brazen censorship? One only resorts to censorship when one has something to hide and/or is insecure in one's own position. The same thing applies to HIV/AIDS, vaccines and the like. And of course the same kind of censorship from okay not Amazon as far as I know, but the scientific establishment, the academy, and Big Tech (think Wiki) and much of the media, rules when it comes to psi and related. Alex T wrote a book called 'Why Science is Wrong... about almost everything'. So why is mainstream medicine and its virus mania let off the hook here? Why are they so different to the psi debunkers, when in fact the Faucis of the world make the James Randis of the world look like choirboys by comparison? Why one set of rules for parapsychology and the occult and another set of rules for radical medical dissent? Modern allopathic medicine and virus mania is inseparable from the disaster of scientific materialism; in fact it is the biggest disaster of scientific materialism, given what is happening now, but people generally don't make the connections...
 
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You did detect that Alex does'n't read very many of the posts here, so that's a point in your favor.
If Alex doesn't read many of the posts here, then how can he ever have a mind open enough to change an opinion? Why does he post articles that he believes are evidence of his point, but not care for anyone's rebuttal regarding them?
 
First of all, I'd urge Viberaider and Alistor to take advantage of the ability of any user here to start new threads. This is not an attempt to silence anyone, absolutely the contrary, but it is possible to end up with one big debate here in which nothing ends up being settled - or even generally understood.

Those two ideas are both worthy of discussion, but it absolutely needs to be a focussed debate (to which I hope to contribute) that hammers out some issues. There is simply way too much stuff being discussed in this one thread.

Would it help if I were to set up the relevant threads to discuss these aspects - I'd rather you two did, because then you would get to write the top entry that everyone will read.
As Viberaider alluded to earlier, this is a thread about Tom Cowan's views on COVID. As such, you can't separate 5G from that discussion because he believes the two are intimately linked.

If you wish to draw lines, the arguments here that COVID was man-made in a lab are less on the topic of this thread than 5G. Not that I mind having that as part of the discussion, but this isn't a "what I think COVID is" thread... it's a Dr. Tom Cowan thread. No?
 
I don't own it and haven't read it, but I have read a remarkable summary of its findings. At the time of the Spanish flu some efforts were made to test how easy it was to transmit flu from patients to fit volunteers. To begin with they just put the volunteers in wards with the flu patients, but then when none of the volunteers got sick, they used successively more drastic methods to attempt to transmit the flu to the sick volunteers, culminating in swabbing the noses and mouths of the patients and wiping the mucus to the mouths and noses of the volunteers. Incredibly none of this worked, and they concluded that some extra factor X was needed to get viral transmission. It has later been suggested that only people deficcient in Vitamin D could be infected - which is why my partner and I take 2000 IU of Vitamin D every morning!
It's interesting that you cite this study, as it's one of the points Dr. Cowan makes in his book about contagion. At one point, they even had people infected with the Spanish flu cough directly into the mouths of uninfected people... and they still couldn't get the healthy people sick. This was a large-scale government study; they wanted to figure out why so many of their soldiers were getting sick after being shipped abroad during WWI. Cowan suggests that it was because of a new phenomena of the time-- radio-- which sprung up around the world almost instantly because of the War, with US soldiers having the greatest exposure from the high concentration of radio towers around US military bases.

As for Vitamin D... I've read that it really should be Vitamin D3. Also, there might be an interaction involving Calcium where taking large amounts of Vitamin D can actually put you more at risk of calcium buildup in the body (which could potentially make you more susceptible to heart disease and stroke, or perhaps neurodegenerative diseases like MS and Alzheimer's).
 
One only resorts to censorship when one has something to hide and/or is insecure in one's own position.
Welcome to the forum, but I disagree. Those who censor are usually not malevolent.

I contend that Alex's recent hostility to the point of rudeness is Stage 2 of the grieving process we all experience on the way to Red Pill.

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Alex has red-pilled on the existence of Science Fraud regarding Consciousness and Climate Change, but has yet to do so on the Science Fraud surrounding Medicine.

It's important to remember that 99% of people who commit Science Fraud are not bad people. The majority are unaware they are perpetuating fraud. The minority who knowingly deceive think they are helping society and "the ends justify the means". Only about 1% are genuinely malevolent.
 
Why does he post articles that he believes are evidence of his point, but not care for anyone's rebuttal regarding them?
He does care, but as a practical matter he simply cannot read all the posts on this forum.

There are too many, and too many of them are low-quality. It would be a full-time job. He simply cannot.

Alex's job is to convince interesting people to come on his podcast so that we can benefit from hearing them, not to moderate or read this forum.
 
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My son is in this field, he said it is the continued exposure that is going to get us. I know back in Oct. 2019 when this started up in Wuhan, they all were saying it had to do with 5G. But, that just sounded like "conspiracy". What I saw in Wuhan was those people were protesting the 5G being set up. Also, what happened to them was different than here. They were just falling over in the streets & going into some kind of spasms. Real scary what went on there.
Wuhan was the first fully-integrated city into the 5G infrastructure, and I found it curious that the media was so quick to dismiss the 5G thing as conspiracy bunk while the fringes were more focused on the corruption angle. Kinda like priming public opinion for when people really start to get loud about it, and perhaps one reason why folks like Alex have seemed to shut-out the possibility completely.

Part of the problem, too, is the lack of understanding about 5G technology. I remember when I first heard the "it's all about 5G" claim... I thought, 'well how could 5G cause a virus?' I'm sure most other people did, too; the dots were there but it didn't make sense how to connect them. I didn't think, 'well it's not actually about the virus, it's about the body's response to the constant exposure to an increase in EM radiation'. We've been normalized into thinking that all this Wi-Fi that's around us has no adverse effect, but the truth is that there's never been a wide-scale study on human populations with these sort of EM radiation waves. We're literally guinea pigs.

As for the video of people falling over and dying in the street... I mean really, that could've been anything. It wouldn't be hard to fake. If it was meant to shock us into believing there was a real contagious danger out there, then it did a damn good job. Everyone was on pins and needles just waiting for when it would reach our shores here in the US.

Question though... if your son is convinced that the continued exposure to 5G is what's going to "get us"... then why are you so convinced that COVID is a real virus that was man-made in Wuhan? Does your son believe that, too? If not, how does he suppose 5G is going to make us sick, if not in a fashion similar to COVID?
 
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COVID was created in a lab. No doubt about that. We know this because we (the US & Fauci) were at Lab 4 in Wuhan in 2018 & 2019 (working on coronaviruses). The military games were going on at that time in Wuhan (hence how it spread to Europe so fast). How it got out? Accident or on purpose? Don't know. But, who was the ass that said "don't let a good crisis go to waste"? yeah, HIM! So now they are.

We know they had plans because we saw the agendas the meetings & the plans. What shocked me was how many people fell for it ESPECIALLY how other countries just followed the U.S.! PURE insanity to follow us!
Sorry, but how can you know that COVID was created in a lab just because Fauci and the NIH were funding and visiting the lab in Wuhan? They could've been doing anything, and in fact I believe it's not uncommon for the US (and other countries) to invest in projects and labs like this in other parts of the world for any number of reasons. That in and of itself doesn't suggest anything nefarious.

That said, my guess is that the research they were doing on "coronaviruses" had more to do with the development of this new type of mRNA vaccine and Fauci's own patents (cited by Alex earlier in this thread), which would almost certainly be used in conjuction with the development of these vaccines. This technology is essentially a manufactured way of doing the same thing as exosomes: they find a cell to attach to, enter it, and deliver an RNA code. It's exactly what these new mRNA vaccines are supposed to do.

The reason why the illness of COVID spread so fast could be traced with the development and expansion of the 5G grid, and Dr. Cowan details this initial spread in his book. It doesn't need to be from a virus that was "made" in a lab. But the narrative of a virus that was made in a lab works well to detract people from the fact that this *probably* really is all about the vaccine. They have been trying to get an mRNA vaccine on the market for 20 years now; the idea that we're all in danger of some monster killer invisible virus on the loose is a great way to scare us all into running to the Dr's office as soon as one becomes available...
 
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I'm a forensic accountant not a PCR lab wiz. I could ask the guy I know at one of the PCR labs if we REALLY wanted to know. How about you show us a picture of this "exosome" you speak of??? I got one mug shot of an exosome & it doesn't look like the coronavirus. I will attach it. Meanwhile, if I do get a chance I will ask my PCR lab guy some Q's.. such as did we isolate it. He's prob. going to just say yes if that has been reported (?) That is what most people do, just Google & go.

Here is an exosome:
I'm sure you realize this, but that's not a 'mug shot' of an exosome; it's an artist's interpretation of one.

There's a real "battle" in science when it comes to "viruses" vs "exosomes"; some (such as Dr. Cowan) argue that they are one in the same. Therefore, any microscopic picture of a "virus" that you can find could be considered by some to actually be a picture of an exosome. I found a number of images by Google image searching "exosome microscopic images" and compared them to a search for "sars cov 2 microscopic images". Personally, I don't see how the lay person can even tell the difference.

It's also of note here that there are different exosomes that 'communicate' with different types of cells. So not all exosomes will look the same; they'll be different shapes, sizes, have different attachment proteins, etc. But (of course) the same can be said for viruses. What we're talking about with regard to COVID is an exosome found in the lung tissue that has all the same characteristics as what's being called the "SARS-CoV-2 virus".

Adding to some of the confusion is the term "exosome" describes the vesicle when it's in the extra-cellular space, or outside of the cell; but when it's inside the cell it's considered an "endosome". Whereas a "virus" is just simply seen as a virus regardless of whether it's inside or outside of the cell. So in one image you could see what's described as a virus 'attacking' or 'infecting' a cell from the inside, when in actuality it could simply be an exosome that has entered the cell, thereby becoming an endosome, and delivering it's RNA code to the cell.

Exosomes/endosomes have only recently started to attract scientific interest in the last 15-20 years, so there's much more to learn. This is also why there's so much contention in the medical community as to what they are and the role they play in disease or even if they're at all distinguishable from viruses. The 'mainstream' scientific viewpoint is that they are (at least sometimes) involved in an infection; however, Dr. Cowan would argue that their presence around an infected tissue is indicative of the body's attempt to defend/detox from the infection and not that they're there to cause an infection. He likens it to coming across a house that's on fire with a bunch of firefighters standing around spraying water on it. Just because firefighters are at the site of the fire doesn't mean they caused it; they're just there to stop it. Same with exosomes.

As for your PCR lab guy... if he's well versed in exosomes, my guess is that he'd echo the mainstream thought, which would be something along the lines of 'well we're still learning about them but the conventional thought is that they're an inter-cellular communication vesicle and that they might be involved with disease somehow'. I highly doubt he'd acknowledge the more 'fringe' opinion that exosomes are being confused for viruses, and that they're only on the site of an infection to help and not harm.

Likewise if you asked him about whether they've isolated the COVID virus. He'll probably say yes, but I doubt he could provide the details for how they went about doing it (as Dr. Cowan does). When you look at the methods that have been done, it's hard to see how there couldn't be alternative explanations for how the test animals actually got sick other than "we gave it the virus". Ultimately, nothing that has been done hold up to the scrutiny of Koch's postulates, which is the standard for proving a contagion.

Regarding specific pictures, here are some screen grabs from a presentation by Dr. Andrew Kaufman back in March which offer a comparison:

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The fact that people with zero exposure to 5G contract Covid proves 5G is not the cause.

What is your purpose in focusing on 5G? What do you hope to acheive by exposing it as a cause of illness?
My purpose here is articulating what Dr. Cowan's argument is, as that's what this thread is about since Alex didn't give him a fair shake to do so. It's Dr. Cowan's contention that 5G is the source of COVID.

It's important to define "COVID" in this discussion, however. I'm defining it as cases where people have shown to have this mysterious onset of hypoxia, or lack of oxygen in the blood. I am not defining it as some other sickness that has been counted or labeled as "COVID"; so I'm not sure your point of 'those not exposed to 5G are getting sick with this thing' is valid here. Without looking at each individual case and distinguishing hypoxia from some other respiratory illness and then attempting to trace any possible exposure to 5G or any other pollutant, we can't say that for sure.

If the increase of EM frequencies that are part of the 5G spectrum effects the way our cells metabolizes oxygen, I don't see how 5G shouldn't be a suspect here. At the very least, surely you can agree that it can't be ruled out?
 
That was China - we really can't know what the hell was going on there. Surely the most obvious possibility would be that something toxic was spread about to create panic.

The thing is, computer repair people often run machines with the whole thing open. There are frequencies of about 1 GHz and more in there, but these are clock signals with square edged pulses. That means the engineers will be exposed to many harmonics of 1 GHz spreading up to 5 GHz or more. I'd believe this 5G argument a lot more if these people were falling over at their desks!

RF waves are ultimately dangerous because they heat - as in a microwave oven - but they are not mutagenic like X-rays or gamma rays.

I have also read suggestions that 60 GHz radiation can cause oxygen in the air to convert to singlet oxygen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlet_oxygen

However this is at a much higher frequency, and fortunately the fact that O2 absorbs this frequency makes it unsuitable for communication.

David
60GHz is still part of the 5G range, and I believe they're already working on 6G which (presumably) would have a range with higher EM frequencies. One would assume that they have been working on the 'oxygen absorption' problem; perhaps one reason why every 5G device doubles as a relay antenna to the next nearest hotspot.

There are also research papers showing how EMF radiation at lower frequencies still have an effect on the effectiveness of a cell's mitochondria to metabolize oxygen into energy, suggesting that it doesn't have to be as high as 60GHz to affect blood-oxygen levels (and, therefore, radiation sickness).

In any case, it's not about 'falling over dead at their desk'. We're seeing a relatively small percentage of the population becoming ill from COVID (sham positive tests notwithstanding). Most people probably develop an adequate defense to EMF radiation-- perhaps because of their exosomal activity.

That said, everyone falls ill time to time with the "cold" or "flu".... how can you know that isn't the body's way of detoxing from any number of external stresses, including extensive RF exposure (even at lower frequencies)? Or, how can you know that the cancer you develop at age 60 didn't have something to do with a buildup of RF exposure over the past thirty years? Just because everyone doesn't get sick or people don't appear to get sick immediately after exposure doesn't prove that EMF radiation has no adverse effect on biological organisms.
 

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Alex also raises the question of whether COVID is man made. I think this too is entirely possible, and again it is worth some serious discussion, and yet the COVID debate really revolves round something else...
wait a minute...

David icke says " it's just a virus of the mind"... Cowan and Kaufman are his go-to sources for this. These guys are doing water-doesn't-stick-to-a-flat-earth style science. I think we have to establish that before we can move on.
 
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