Grant Cameron, No Such Thing As Evil ET? |449|

I remember reading about a woman who had researched people who hear inner voices. She went from pentacostles to schizophrenics and concluded that inner voices can be either benign or malignant to one degree or another depending on the context both individual and cultural. interestingly she discovered that schizophrenics in certain African countries in large part were perceiving benign supportive voices while Americans would generally hear disturbing threatening voices.
What Grant would say is that "the voice you hear" is a reflection of "you" and not a characteristic of the third party that you experience as the voice.

This is why more and more are starting to refer to "it" as, "the phenomenon." Stephen King was decades ahead -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(novel)
 
David Bailey
Yes it does. That's the faith part. I don't want to accept that reality is not love, at base. Why and how would that be beneficial? If we are trapped here with no escape (the theory that reincarnation is a trap, for example) then why live?
Sorry I don't know what I said that you are replying to! It is always better to use a quote.

David
 
What Grant would say is that "the voice you hear" is a reflection of "you" and not a characteristic of the third party that you experience as the voice.

This is why more and more are starting to refer to "it" as, "the phenomenon." Stephen King was decades ahead -
I don't like that - I think the one thing we must not do is start to twist the evidence. Unfortunately, that is something that materialist-minded scientists do so much, and we must not ape them.

David
 
I don't know. I don't even know what "Left-Hand Path" means.
Left hand path is more or less freeing yourself from bondage of this material self and returning to an inner silence or source. In the west it's more about becoming your own "God" and not giving your power away to Judiac nor Islamic or whatever type of God. Some left hand paths believe God is the demiurge the false God

Some how after "satanism" and its bandwagon "luciferian" type cults got more numbers it got lumped in with left hand path as it signifies rebelling against the God of the bible or Islam. The irony is that satan is a composite character that was made up by Christianity and the concept of hell as well. And lucifer is not satan nor an angel or anything it's from a mistranslation in the Bible talking about the fall of a king. Lucifer was the name of the planet venus via the Roman's greeks and such it meant light bringer sun of the dawn(venus being visible before sun) . St Jerome mistranslated it. Then with the advent of book publishing you got all these fake grimores with fake symbols and spells that people use to manipulate people on how to summon demons, you have the oto and all this stuff based off bunk em. To confirm I asked an associate who practices and is well versed in witchcraft and he confirmed yes 99 percent of grimoires are fakes especially the europeon ones. They are basically our version of Harry Potter lololol
 
What Grant would say is that "the voice you hear" is a reflection of "you" and not a characteristic of the third party that you experience as the voice.

This is why more and more are starting to refer to "it" as, "the phenomenon." Stephen King was decades ahead -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(novel)
Phil hickey a psychologist for 40 years and other colleagues think schizophrenia is fake, many mainstream colleagues do as well. He has studied people with the condition for over 30 years and has the credidentals. He believes the voice or voices they here are their own negative ego reenforments built up over time, when they get to big they begin to take on characters from social conditioning.
 
Left hand path is more or less freeing yourself from bondage of this material self and returning to an inner silence or source. In the west it's more about becoming your own "God" and not giving your power away to Judiac nor Islamic or whatever type of God. Some left hand paths believe God is the demiurge the false God

Some how after "satanism" and its bandwagon "luciferian" type cults got more numbers it got lumped in with left hand path as it signifies rebelling against the God of the bible or Islam. The irony is that satan is a composite character that was made up by Christianity and the concept of hell as well. And lucifer is not satan nor an angel or anything it's from a mistranslation in the Bible talking about the fall of a king. Lucifer was the name of the planet venus via the Roman's greeks and such it meant light bringer sun of the dawn(venus being visible before sun) . St Jerome mistranslated it. Then with the advent of book publishing you got all these fake grimores with fake symbols and spells that people use to manipulate people on how to summon demons, you have the oto and all this stuff based off bunk em. To confirm I asked an associate who practices and is well versed in witchcraft and he confirmed yes 99 percent of grimoires are fakes especially the europeon ones. They are basically our version of Harry Potter lololol
But when people say "Left hand path" in general conversation they tend to mean selfish, destructive or evil magical practices. Like the opposite of when people proclaim themselves a "white witch".
 
What Grant would say is that "the voice you hear" is a reflection of "you" and not a characteristic of the third party that you experience as the voice.

This is why more and more are starting to refer to "it" as, "the phenomenon." Stephen King was decades ahead -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(novel)
That's exactly what the voices say to Jerry Marzinsky's schizophrenics. They say horrific things and then try to persuade the person "I am you"
But it's lies intended to cause more distress. Because that's how these entities feed.
 
Phil hickey a psychologist for 40 years and other colleagues think schizophrenia is fake, many mainstream colleagues do as well. He has studied people with the condition for over 30 years and has the credidentals. He believes the voice or voices they here are their own negative ego reenforments built up over time, when they get to big they begin to take on characters from social conditioning.
I don't think the voices are negative ego reinforcements. They are real entities.
Scroll to about 12 minutes in if you want to miss Miguel's monologue
 
That would be great - preferably in a new thread so that it stands out clearly, and people can discuss it.
Yes, I will do that if I can get the regression done.
Do you happen to know of others who have reported LBL regressions?
I'm not terribly familiar with LBL regressions, but Dolores Cannon is at least as well known as Michael Newton in the field. There was also a guest on this show who performs them, https://skeptiko.com/243-scott-de-tamble-explores-lives-between-lives/. Also as Alex said Richard Martini has a documentary on the afterlife which mentions it called Flipside, which I have very little familiarity with. Regrettably I'm not aware of any further information on this topic.

I don't know if LBL regressions are particularly difficult?
At least, according to Newtons site - it's best to go through an LBL regression after going through a past live regression session seperately. I was under the impression that the process took several hours to get people into the proper state but some hypnotists claim to be able to do it in a single hour. I'm not personally trained in LBL (or regular past life) regression, so I can't say how difficult it is in comparison to regular hypnosis, but it does seem extremely difficult not to lead the client.
 
Phil hickey a psychologist for 40 years and other colleagues think schizophrenia is fake, many mainstream colleagues do as well. He has studied people with the condition for over 30 years and has the credidentals. He believes the voice or voices they here are their own negative ego reenforments built up over time, when they get to big they begin to take on characters from social conditioning.
Hard to argue for this when most schizophrenics appear in early adulthood. If it was purely cognitive there wouldn't be such a narrow age range, rather it would be more likely for a person to become a schizophrenic as they get older. Maybe there is more to this idea though, of course.
 
So why do you think it's evil?

Because it is detrimental and untrue philosophy/spirituality. It causes depression and robs life of its meaning.

It does seem true that without individual selves, there can't be any values. If we are all fated to merge into an anonymous collective mass, then there is nothing to strive for, to hope to attain or to hope to avoid - nothing to value or disvalue. Then we're faced with the depressing and (almost literally) dispiriting conclusion that nothing means anything, and there are no values.
The simple life

For those who accept the strong evidence that consciousness survives death, there remains a very big question relative to the nature of that consciousness – namely, does the soul retain its individuality or does it merge into some kind of Oneness with the Creative Force and in so doing lose its individuality? If the soul does lose its individuality, is such a state any more desirable than total extinction at physical death?
Does “Oneness” in the Afterlife Mean Loss of Individuality?

Here Roberta Grimes tells about her reaction to the idea of merging with god after she had started ACIM:
I cannot sufficiently express to you how scared I was. And it went on for weeks! Why try to grow spiritually, if all it will get you is an ultimate fall into black oblivion?
The Extinction of the Ego
 
Because it is detrimental and untrue philosophy/spirituality. It causes depression and robs life of its meaning.


The simple life


Does “Oneness” in the Afterlife Mean Loss of Individuality?

Here Roberta Grimes tells about her reaction to the idea of merging with god after she had started ACIM:

The Extinction of the Ego
The ego is what is struggling with these issues. It loves the idea of separation and keeps you chasing after illusions. Oneness, imo, is what everyone really seeks, even if subconsciously. And once again, I don't think there is an amorphous blob...there's relationships between all of "God".
 
Because it is detrimental and untrue philosophy/spirituality. It causes depression and robs life of its meaning.


The simple life


Does “Oneness” in the Afterlife Mean Loss of Individuality?

Here Roberta Grimes tells about her reaction to the idea of merging with god after she had started ACIM:

The Extinction of the Ego
I actually just read something from ACIM that's relevant. "All of God's Sons are of equal value, and their equality is there Oneness. The whole power of God is in every part of Him, and nothing contradictory to his Will is either great or small." I think this points to the fact that Oneness still contains relationships....it's just that in reality there aren't separate personalities and wills.
 
I don't like that - I think the one thing we must not do is start to twist the evidence. Unfortunately, that is something that materialist-minded scientists do so much, and we must not ape them.

David
I shared what is my current conclusion based on my own evidence gathering (my life experience). There are a few that share this conclusion as well (so I'm not alone. Does that make me right or them right? Nope - so... who knows. I'm ok with trying on theories and seeing what happens. This one has been working well for me since I adopted it. Only 7 or so months ago by the way. I'm not holding my breath.
 
Yes, I will do that if I can get the regression done.

I'm not terribly familiar with LBL regressions, but Dolores Cannon is at least as well known as Michael Newton in the field. There was also a guest on this show who performs them, https://skeptiko.com/243-scott-de-tamble-explores-lives-between-lives/. Also as Alex said Richard Martini has a documentary on the afterlife which mentions it called Flipside, which I have very little familiarity with. Regrettably I'm not aware of any further information on this topic.
Unfortunately many Skeptiko episodes have slipped my memory, so I looked up what I said back when:
I must admit, I found the interview rather vague, and totally lacking evidence that this phenomenon is real. I held on until the end, hoping (almost assuming) that Alex's experience would validate it :( In view of the outcome, it might have been better to leave the whole interview in the can, and try another practitioner. Alternatively, it might still be worth trying someone you can trust who might be easier to hypnotise.
Listening to some of the interview I know why I said that, and maybe that contributed to my forgetting it!

I think I will start with Dolores Cannon.
At least, according to Newtons site - it's best to go through an LBL regression after going through a past live regression session seperately. I was under the impression that the process took several hours to get people into the proper state but some hypnotists claim to be able to do it in a single hour. I'm not personally trained in LBL (or regular past life) regression, so I can't say how difficult it is in comparison to regular hypnosis, but it does seem extremely difficult not to lead the client.
I would very naively have thought that if you could lead someone into a past life, you could move the time frame forwards to the point when they died and be in the LBL period.

David
 
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