What if all these experiences are correct, in their interpretation? Tom Campbell has stated that whatever program were in, is interested in us becoming love and it will do whatever it can to make that happen. Maybe the experiences in LBL are rigid bc it's helpful for those experiencing it. Also, it's hard to compare Newton's work and others bc his was done while people were under hypnosis and between lives. NDEs never go that far, it seems. They usually just have this "short" experience and a lot of times, seem to be given a choice about whether to return(I've always wondered if they really have a choice). I think NDEs are more about our experience on earth and are geared towards the understanding that we're more than our body. They're not meant to give a specific account of how the "afterlife" functions.
This probably the 4th time I’ve written this on this forum, so I fear that I may sound like a broken record, but it’s pertinent.
I would generally agree that NDEs aren’t necessarily afterlife state accounts insomuch as I think that they are profound transcendental experiences. I think, perhaps, in a similar way to DMT trips etc. While I have never had an NDE or taken DMT, I would say that, despite what I’ve just said, an NDE is probably generally more profound, and does tend to more frequently involve dead friends and relatives etc.
I like the work of OBE explorers because their experiences are repeated frequently and the more seasoned researchers are able to record their experiences and learn from them as they grow. An NDEr is thrown into a bizarre experience with no context and are often confused.
Guys like Jurgen and Cyrus Kirkpatrick etc (they have done talks together on YouTube and I listen to them converse on Facebook all the time as I’m Fbook friends with them both) claim that they frequently visit dead relatives during their experiences. Their experiences do line up generally fairly well with reports from reknowned mediums like Suzanne Giessman and Suzanne Wilson etc, and with what afterlife researchers like Roberta Grimes, Dr Craig Hogan, and victor and Wendy Zammit, and with a lot of the channeled information of the past 2 centuries (Leslie Flint etc).
As far as I can tell, there are some similarities between what MN and these people tell us. But there’s a lot of stark contrast as well. What the aforementioned group tells us (and perhaps what NDEs maybe tell us) is that we are part of a reality that is multidimensional and is full of physical and non-physical realms which we may partake in, for whatever purposes. Some might go to some, and some might go to others. What the researchers etc tend to tell us is that (seemingly) most of us go to an environment much like Earth after we die. The old mediums and old channeled info refer to this place as “the summerland.” Cyrus and Jurgen refer to it as “astral earth.” It’s where they meet their dead relatives who are seemingly living lives much like we are now. It’s not hard to believe really given the the only realm we are currently aware of is this physical Earth. That we might do something similar after death isn’t really that weird. At least with this theory we are not postulating something alien which we have no experience of. It is claimed there that the “vibratory frequency” there is higher. Which is to say, that it’s a nicer place. But it isn’t perfect. The environment is also more thought responsive.
People do often come back to this Earth for another go, as Michael Newton claims. This is all claimed by these other researchers and experiencers as well. Jurgen has claimed that he meets up with his father in this “astral realm” but that his father has ALSO reincarnated in Russia. He claimed to see him there as a young boy (currently) in Russia. In this sense he says that we are complex multi-dimensional beings. William Buhlman (OBE guru) is adamant about this as well, claiming that we do multiple things at once, and that we are Currently partaking in other realities which our local selves are not aware of. But he’s also adamant (as are the others) that potential afterlife states are infinite.
Michael Newtons claims are far to simplistic. And he’s the only one I’ve encountered who states that there is this strict system in place where we die, we take some spiritual shower in an energy field, We meet up with our soul groups and discuss our previous lives, we plan our next incarnation on Earth with our souls group and decide what roles we are going to take and we meet with this council of elders etc etc etc. Forgive me if any of that is inaccurate, It’s been years since I’ve read his books. But I really don’t think things are so ordered and neat and consistent. Reality is far different than That. Although I think that the temptation to claim that you have the afterlife all mapped out is great.
I don’t want to call him a fraud. But maybe there was some groupthink going on with his sessions which came together psychically? We also know that our minds can affect the minds of others. We also know that when scientists are doing experiments that if they want a certain result, they are far more likely to get that result during their experiments. I really doubt that every LBL session went down the exact same way as he states. I’d feel better about it if I had all the transcripts and could listen to many of the people he hypnotized tell their stories. I’m much more inclined to think that there was more variability in his sessions than he claimed. But it would be easy to trivialize and explain those away if they didn’t fit your narrative. But, admittedly, that’s just speculation on my part.
At any rate, I prefer the direct experiences of men and women who are meticulous in their recording and discernment of their experiences over many years, over one single sit down session with MN.
Maybe I’m wrong about some of this and there are more similarities than I’m currently stating between MN and these researchers and experiencers. But, at any rate, I know the differences in many areas are great.
This last bit might sound too convenient to be true, relative to this current conversation, but it is true. Cyrus traveled to Europe to spend some time with Jurgen and to interview him and compare notes on their experiences. He was giving a virtual tour of Jurgens house on this YouTube video, including his library. I saw MN books on his shelf. I commented on the Afterlife Topics and Metaphysics page, which Cyrus runs and where he was also posting this video. I commented, I’d like to hear Jurgens opinion on MN’s work and his books. Jurgen (Who is very active on the page) actually responded and said that it “did not resonate with him.”
I don’t believe that Jurgen is an unimpeachable bastion of knowledge on these topics. But I place him on a notch higher than almost anybody else I know of. But, certainly he’s a flawless person with flawless ideas and beliefs as well, to be fair