Greg Mallozzi’s New Film About Andrija Puharich |370|

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  1. Charlie Primero

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    I will have to listen to that one again and get back to you. Downloading now.

    That was from December of 2016. I vaguely remember him as being a Huxley apologist, but I'll delay comment until after I listen to it again.
     
  2. LetsEat

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    Why do you think Huxley was evil?
     
  3. Charlie Primero

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    It's complicated, but put simply: Huxley was the leading intellectual progenitor of an Oligarchic enslavement system based not on whips and chains, but instead propaganda, synthetic culture creation, mystical deception, and pharmacological stupefaction of the Masses.

    He publicly pretended to criticize such a system, while working diligently with the Deep State to create it...

    "If you are going to control any population for any length of time you must have some measure of consent. It’s exceedingly difficult to see how pure terrorism can function indefinitely. It can function for a fairly long time, but I think sooner or later you have to bring in an element of persuasion. An element of getting people to consent to what is happening to them.

    Well, it seems to me that the nature of the Ultimate Revolution with which we are now faced is precisely this: that we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably always will exist, to get people actually to love their servitude! This is the, it seems to me the ultimate in malevolent revolution shall we say."
    — Aldous Huxley, 1962 speech at UC Berkeley.
     
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    What is your evidence that Huxley was "working diligently with the Deep State to create it..."
     
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    (I'm trying really hard not to hijack this thread again. I did back the film at the $50 level. Should be awesome!)

    So here's how Dr. Mack came to grips with the physical vs imaginal realms and this is exactly the part I read before bed last night. Basically he says, this stuff may not be here in material reality, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. The woman quoted on the first page says she realized her experiences are more symbolic, archetypal, metaphorical, but yet still very real: https://imgur.com/a/UdTqz

    I would disagree that there's no collaboration between the reports of contactees, the hypnotically regressed (Dolores Cannon Convoluted Universe I-IV), channelers, and abductees. That's basically what Don Elkin's book Secrets of the UFO is all about ~ the connective tissue.

    Investigators (Mack, Hopkins, Jacobs) would continue to find that people who didn't know each other or anything about the UFO field would corroborate small details, so much so that they started keeping certain details out of the public eye so as to have a method they could judge the veracity of a claim. We hear of the same beings: grays, tall whites, reptilians, mantids, etc.. I keep hearing the same locations over and over again - the Pleiades, Vega, Sirius, Andromeda, Saturn, Jupiter's moons, etc., I never remember who came from where and not that it really matters. An alien race could say they live on Venus and we might go there and find nothing, but energetically (or temporally?) they might as well be light years away even though they would regard Venus as their location of origin. Some people say, "where are you from?" to beings and the beings show them star maps and say, "where are you?" and the people have no idea! They get the smart ass reply, "well if you don't know where you are how can my showing you where I'm from be of any use?"

    Dolores Cannon found many corroborations in reports so much so that she's spoken to 'the subconscious' in one regressed patient and continued the conversation with the same entity in another person entirely ~ who's human body consciously knew nothing about the previous event. She's had students verify that these odd things have occurred in classroom settings (e.g. two regressed people finishing each other's sentences) ~ she recorded all of her sessions on tape. I found Dolores' work via The Custodians, then the Convoluted Universe series. It really turns your brain upside down trying to wrestle with the concepts in there, the same as the Law of One material (and Seth to a lesser degree). I'm too skeptical to accept it, so I started thinking about it as a dream world or "amazing spontaneous science fiction" that she could pull out of people - I was reading it as a kind of entertainment, but also as a worldview builder to help me put together another viewpoint on how things could be. Here's some embarrassing videos of me reading some of these stories. Are they just metaphors? Could you come up with such fantastical works even if you wanted to? Dolores helped so many people reach their own subconscious to deal with pains both physical and mental. They're odd, they seem like dreams, but there is so much going on in them. Same alien groups, same 'councils', same orbs of light, etc.. I had my own regressions maybe I'll talk about sometime. I didn't even believe myself, but they were interesting for me metaphorically.

    So speaking of spontaneous fiction, David Wilcock and Corey Goode came out with this huge report yesterday and given that I'd posted all that random stuff in this thread it synced and I had to tell somebody so I'm bombing your thread again. They claim we won the space war and the reptilians will be expelled from Earth and the sun will shoot out a light that will upgrade our DNA/evolve us and all this crazy stuff. Like, 2012 was put on hold because we weren't ready, and we're getting ready NOW.

    What to make of it? *shrug* I enjoyed it, anyway. https://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1225-abr-legacy Linda Howe on earthfiles.com just posted about giant electric flashes that happened over a large swath of Russia. She's been reporting on giant boom sounds, quakes, and metal scraping sounds from the sky since 2011. What the hell is going on? Even the Secureteam UFO guy is starting to wonder if something is accelerating now. I was all about 2012 hype at the time just because I was excited that people were getting excited. When people get excited, stuff happens.
     
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  6. Charlie Primero

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    All the biographies written about him, his essays, and that fact he was working for http://www.tavinstitute.org
     
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    For some reason this didn't show on my list originally when replying. I hope you will work with Alex on your views, that is so well condensed.

    It's like the inventor of the Guillotine, praised for his mercy and compassion, b/c he saved so many from the previous cruel fashion of beheading by axe. Bravo!
     
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    Alex said (17 mins before the end) “Its crazy that we call it a crazy story…We have to reconsider that.”

    Yes, so long as we think discourse with spirits and aliens is a “crazy story” we risk buying into the faux scepticism of materialists. It was really only with the advent of Humanism (when psyche [soul] was replaced by mind [intellect]) that we conceived the hubris that we were doing all by ourselves. For the rest of human history the role of spirits and gods (whatever is meant by that term) as, among other things, teachers and advisers was completely accepted.

    The fact is that this stuff goes on all the time. We come to know of it usually in only a very limited and negative way – mostly the crappy stuff – the rants of new age channellers and the delusions of the psychologically disturbed. But when we add up the myriad ways we interact with the other than physical human domains they are very major – lucid dreaming, NDEs, OBEs, encounters with the deceased, shamanic journeys, prayer, genuine ‘channelling’ (its not the proper term really), the phenomenon we call alien abduction, the practice of ritual magic, and hallucinogenic ‘trips’ [to name only some]. That’s only the intentional or conscious encounters – if we add dreams, intuitions, and a host of other ‘psi’ experiences and other weird things that happen and are brushed off as being impossible or unlikely or just too scary to think about – it all mounts up to normal. This is normal. It goes on all the time.

    I haven’t even mentioned ET in their UFOs – and that’s a complex and vexed field of experience and speculation to add to it all.

    We don’t live in a materialist reality. Never have done and never will. The ‘crazy’(mad) story is what the materialists are telling. What Greg Mallozzi and others are telling is a crazy (exciting) story.

    Recovering materialists will get a double-edge thrill of craziness – we just have to remember which crazy we are dancing to.
     
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    Amen brother, I experience PSI weekly. Just had PSI moment right now I was sitting in my room meditating while having the football game on the background. I was a few minutes in to meditating and thought the QB is going to throw a interception. few seconds later I heard the play start, QB dropped back and threw an interception. You are right this happens everyday, people just don't notice it (dreams) or they brush it off as coincidence which I think is a odd distinction.
    Other then that I have had multiple pre-cog dreams throughtout the last few month, some of my friends are shocked. I one time predicted about 5 things in a row that happened the next day or week.

    On top of that I have seen small burst TK, the materalist views mean nothing to me
     
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    Regarding The Nine and all the other 'spirits' 'gods' 'aliens' people are 'channeling' that give us 'information'...

    The possibility that there are entities in space who exist with bodies that, regardless of their composition, die at some point same way ours do, sitting out in the cosmos beaming channelers information etc- you'd have to grant that to be able to do this a couple of things would need to be happening. First, that they can exist in dimensions that we cannot, and from that would have information that we cannot understand the way human brains generally understand things.

    Just with this super simplified but kind of encompassing theory, you'd have to grant that in any meaningful conversation, channeling session, whatever words you want to use- that whatever comes across is only going to be 'understood' in the narcissistic sense. That how could a human see things from the other's perspective? And if that sense of equality in the communication isn't there then by the nature of the interaction it's going to be deceptive in some sense of how the human perceives what has happened.

    My opinion obviously, but I'm curious what others think about it as I'm a 'new' poster here
     
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    This reads to me as a description rather than endorsement of things already going on.

    Can you quote a specific essay? Can you give me a specific Biography?
     
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  13. There are beings that while in physical bodies still retain their memory and knowledge of their spiritual nature, unlike most humans who forget our spirit nature while we incarnate.

    To spirits, time and distance are not obstacles. It's hard for us to understand because it is outside our experience, but if consciousness is not physical, time and distance, physical quantities, do not pertain to or limit consciousness.

    I agree there can be difficulties in mind to mind communication when one of the minds is stuck in a human brain, limited by the laws of thermodynamics, and physical experience. But people who have near death experiences and who experience their consciousness unlimited by the physical brain report understanding things out of the body which they cannot understand after they come back into the body.

    So I am open to the possibility of aliens communicating, in particular because as I mentioned in a prior post above we had this occur in my mediumship class. But also, I'll say it again, unless the channeler can routinely produce verifiable information that could not be obtained by normal means there is no way to assess the reliability of the channeler.
     
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  14. Charlie Primero

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    No. Huxley's work with CIA doctors, Fabian/Atlanticist organizations, and Hollywood is a huge mess to sort through. I quit studying it several years ago.

    It's better if you go investigate the culture creation work for yourself. I don't remember enough of the details to be helpful. Sorry.

    Search variations on: https://www.google.com/search?q=huxley+mk+ultra
     
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    Crowley was another character that possibly had ties to the CIA and had tons of unsubstantiated rumors brought up about him. To sift through it all is tiring, and you end up at point A again
     
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    I quite like Strieber's idea that it's not meant to make sense, that all of the conflicting experiences and unanswerable questions, whilst frustrating us, force us to evolve.

    Or maybe Tom Cambell is onto something with his Psi Uncertainty Principle?
     
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    A Uri Geller Story

    About 27 years ago, I was a teenager coming to terms with numerous and diverse greater reality experiences. An aunt suggested I meet her friend who had gone through something similar, and she set up a lunch.

    The night before the meeting, I felt compelled to draw a triangle with circles over each corner and lines radiating from its centre.

    The next day, the friend/experiencer explained how, while in secondary school, she and her friends began dabbling with a ouija board. Soon they were in regular contact with beings claiming to be from space. Next, objects would disappear from their homes only to reappear at their school. An acoustic guitar was one. Also, a never before seen crucifix materialised in the bedroom of one of the girls. Soon they were able to communicate with each other whilst in seperate classes via automatic writing.

    When things were getting too intense, a hand-written note appeared in one of their pockets. It reassured the girls that the space beings were good and were known to the letter writer, who signed off as Uri. As Uri Geller was a household name in England, the girls composed their own letter asking if it was indeed him. They made copies, and each carried one in a pocket. Soon, a letter vanished to be replaced by another, a reply in which Uri Geller confirmed his identity and again sought to comfort them.

    Later on, the girls invited two teenage boys to participate in their ouija sessions. During one, one of the lads was told he would die that night in a motorcycle crash. He freaked out and promptly left on his bike. He did crash and die that night. In a subsequent ouija communication, the deceased friend came through to the girls. He told them he was well, and that he was now with the space beings on their ship.

    All of these events were written up in a book that was shown to me by the then grown up witness.

    Before leaving the lunch that day, I showed the witness my sketch of the triangle and asked her if it meant anything to her. She said "yes, that's the symbol that the space beings gave to us, it represented their spaceship".

    Make of this what you will. Again it is suggested that there's much more to Uri Geller than bending spoons and bringing broken clocks back to life. I'd be fascinated to hear if he remembers any of this.
     
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    I'm fairly sure Whitley is right in that regard. I've read elsewhere that questions do indeed increase brain activity and connectivity.

    I'm aware of Tom Cambell's Big TOE and I love that he used to work with Robert Monroe, but I was not aware of that particular principle till now. (I could only hear the 'life is like World of Warcraft' analogy so many times before I had to tune out for lack of new practical/usable information.)

    I think this video below is most likely correct. That we are all truly thoughts in the infinite mind of God and that there are ultimately ZERO limitations. The only reason things aren't popping in and out of existence is because at one time they did and we wanted a more stable/educational experience (or we had awareness of that particular ghetto in the probability field and we purposefully moved away from it.) If infinity is truly the case then I'm not surprised to have all of these disparate alien/being narratives. They are all thoughts and the imaginal is completely tied to the material.

    I didn't use to be able to say the word God. I still grimace when I have to. I think Eckhart Tolle was the first to get me to even stick my toe in the G-waters. I'm here at this point intellectually, but still unable to feel much of anything in my heart ~ I've got a lot of work to do.


    ^ This is a great talk and even ends on a synchronicity vibe. Love it. Strange how I've waded all these waters just to arrive at this moment.

    (^ I also have a bunch of personal syncs to Don Quixote and to that song... amazing.)
     
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    I also have trouble with the G word, and soul. Far too religious for me.

    Despite his drawbacks, Tom Cambell's theory gave me names like Absolute Unbounded Manifold and Individuated Unit of Consciousness. Although a tad wordy, they helped to remove a stumbling block and set me on my way once more.

    After reading My Big TOE, I was in danger of liking it a bit too much. Then I saw Tom on a video trying to be knowledgeable about crop circles, and failing. During the late 90s, I used to make circles in Wiltshire, so I knew that Tom was talking BS. It was suspicious that a man who claims to be able to astral travel to many other nearby simulations, and gain knowledge from higher entities, could appear so clueless. Still, I won't throw the baby out with the bath water. I still like most of his ideas.
     
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