Mod+ Jacques Vallee IONS talk 2012

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Apparently, Vallee gave a talk at the Contact in the Desert event in California this past weekend in which he talked about doing isotopic analysis on UFO wreckage. It wasn't just a proposal to do this kind of work, he actually had real data to show. And he was appealing to the people at the event to see if he could get more physical evidence of UFO's. This was talked about on George Knapp's last Coast to Coast episode.

 
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Apparently, Vallee gave a talk at the Contact in the Desert event in California this past weekend in which he talked about doing isotopic analysis on UFO wreckage. It wasn't just a proposal to do this kind of work, he actually had real data to show. And he was appealing to the people at the event to see if he could get more physical evidence of UFO's. This was talked about on George Knapp's last Coast to Coast episode.

Video was made private...
He claims to have UFO wreckage on hand? What did he find with his analysis?
 
#27
In the George Knapp interview Jeremy Corbell said that Vallee had talked of 15 samples from alleged alien craft.
He said one analysis showed pure magnesium which would take trillions of dollars to produce here.
At another point he said it couldn't be made here.
He made it clear that Vallee still adheres to his control system theories so this new bid to get nuts and bolts proof seems odd from a guy who always said he'd be very disappointed if it turned out just to be spaceships from another world.
Corbell also had some interesting things to say inferring that a film he has made about a claimed alien implant and that object had turned out to be also non-terrestrial.
He was also appealing for other witnesses to a mass sighting from naval ship off California in 2004 I think which involved a military aircraft chasing the thing which is supposed to have shut down the plane's controls.
Interesting two hours worth hearing.
PS Addendum Sorry I wrote this before realising the posting above was from that actual interview.
 
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Sciborg_S_Patel

#28
He made it clear that Vallee still adheres to his control system theories so this new bid to get nuts and bolts proof seems odd from a guy who always said he'd be very disappointed if it turned out just to be spaceships from another world.
But wouldn't "control system" have the power to manifest physical effects and leave physical evidence? I think some of Vallee's stuff regarding these Others even mentions this?

(Whether anyone - including skeptics - are correct regarding the UFO phenomenon is something I'm not sure of...)
 
#29
But wouldn't "control system" have the power to manifest physical effects and leave physical evidence? I think some of Vallee's stuff regarding these Others even mentions this?
You're right - no reason for the phenomena not to be physical I guess.
I think the inference of Corbell and Vallee is that the whole thing is some form of stage show to educate us in some way - so may manifest in a form to suit our culture.
There was a period where people were seeing unidentified airships and of course we have angelic phenomena possibly 'engineered' for the religious?
 
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There was a period where people were seeing unidentified airships and of course we have angelic phenomena possibly 'engineered' for the religious?
Yup....freaky stuff. I love this quote:

We want you to believe in us, but not too much.
—An alien to Nebraska law officer Herbert Schirmer


Also, an example from Kripal's Authors of the Impossible:


“I never said that it was Our Lady— rather, a small, pretty lady. . . . She told me that we should continue to go there for six consecutive months, on the 13th of each month, and that at the end of that time, she would tell us who she was and what she wanted of us.” 4 Maria Rosa would remain circumspect and careful about what her daughter had seen. In The Official Interrogations of 1923, she is recorded as testifying that her daughter had “said that she saw a small, pretty lady; that her dress was completely white; and that to the question, ‘Where are you from?’ she had pointed to the sky, saying she was from there.”


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"When the Being of Fátima spoke to the children, the witnesses often heard a distinct insectoid buzzing, like a bee or cicada or, as another had it, “like that which is heard next to a hive, but altogether more harmonious, even though words were not heard.” 8 Some also spoke of how the ground shook and described hearing thunder or a rumbling as the Being approached and departed from the tree. The tree moved, as in a wind or suction effect, when the little lady left. There were other technological allusions too, or at least descriptions that could easily be read in this way."
 
#32
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc608.htm

" When the underlying archetypes are extracted," he wrote, "the saucer myth is seen to coincide to a remarkable degree with the fairy-faith of Celtic countries … religious miracles… and the widespread belief among all peoples concerning entities whose physical and psychological descriptions place them in the same category as the present-day ufonauts."
"When I speak of a control system for planet earth," he says, " I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power…."
 
#35

Juan lives a solitary existence on a remote farm ever since he witnessed a UFO event.
Filmmaker Alan Stivelman -together with the help of famous astrophysicist Jacques Vallée - begin an epic journey to help Juan in understanding the deep meaning of his close encounter.
This true story shows the long-term consequences of close encounters, proving that no one is exempt from a potential contact.
 
#36
Vallee's 2017 Contact in the Desert talk.

https://www.dailygrail.com/2018/05/jacques-vallee-and-the-mystery-of-the-alien-alloys/

Dr. Jacques Vallee’s presentation for Contact in the Desert 2017 has just been uploaded to Youtube. Here’s your chance to listen him describe the things he’s uncovered over the years by analyzing metal samples allegedly ejected by UFOs, which have been recovered all around the world, and how the chemical composition of these materials seriously challenge all of our preconceptions with regards to the popularly-assumed extraterrestrial nature of these objects:

he 3 most relevant points to be extracted from this presentation are:

  1. Some of these metal materials are seen to contain trace levels of elements (and isotope of said elements) which no man-made or terrestrial metals would be expected to contain. Are these contaminants or purposefully introduced (i.e. engineered)?
  2. The technical analysis needs to be expanded through the use of several instruments to arrive at more precise composition levels –no analysis from a single instrument or method is fully reliable.
  3. An aggressive program or search for additional samples needs to be conducted in order to reach a general picture of the entire problem.
 
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