JFK 50 Year Assassination Anniversary

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I am surprised at you, Reece. Shamey.
Do you seriously think that the CIA has an element within it that is all stinky-poo and evil and completely power hungry? Sir, are you not an American? Barry Seale was murdered by Cubans or some such irrational Caribbean nutcases.

Kennedy was a Commie lover, this is clear. He married a French woman so WTF?

Why should we commemorate someone who took on the very American institutions which you, especially you in Louisiana, make your life what it is? He tried to dismantle covert ops in the CIA (and several other intel agencies), limit involvement in the most patriotic of wars Vietnam, prosecute the greatest citizens of our times like Teamsters, and grant the right to equal schooling to Negroes.

Then that jackass of a brother who had no right to be Attorney General thinks he's all-fire hot stuff too. I bet you think he was a martyr like Jack?

Rethink your position.

:)
 
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I am surprised at you, Reece. Shamey.
Do you seriously think that the CIA has an element within it that is all stinky-poo and evil and completely power hungry? Sir, are you not an American? Barry Seale was murdered by Cubans or some such irrational Caribbean nutcases.

Kennedy was a Commie lover, this is clear. He married a French woman so WTF?

Why should we commemorate someone who took on the very American institutions which you, especially you in Louisiana, make your life what it is? He tried to dismantle covert ops in the CIA (and several other intel agencies), limit involvement in the most patriotic of wars Vietnam, prosecute the greatest citizens of our times like Teamsters, and grant the right to equal schooling to Negroes.

Then that jackass of a brother who had no right to be Attorney General thinks he's all-fire hot stuff too. I bet you think he was a martyr like Jack?

Rethink your position.

:)
For a moment there I had to do a double take. I thought you were being serious. Took me a while to figure out this was sarcasm. Duh. Us brits and our basic sense of humour eh? :D
 
#4
I just recently bought JFK: the Unspeakable as a (lazy ol') audiobook . . . which I'll probably begin within the week.

To me personally, that there was complicity on the part of our government in JFK's assassination and 911 is rather a given and a non-subject. But newer and more interesting to me - and related to JFK - would be whether or not Marilyn Monroe was killed - it seems she was - by our government as well . . . opinions?
 
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Frank Matera

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What staggers me is that you have a guy like the Watergate burglar, Howard E Hunt who comes out on his death bed and admits his involvement with the JFK assassination... names names of those involved (CIA, Frank Sturgess, Morales, LBJ etc) and yet he is virtually ignored.

Do you see a re-opening of the investigation anywhere? If this was Joe Average on the street that was murdered and one of the accomplises comes forward years later to tell the truth about their involvement and that the wrong man was blamed... they would look at re-opening the case. Yet because it is JFK and the CIA was named.... nothing.

It's also interesting how when you know about this stuff how it changes the way you view things that day. For instance I have known LBJ had been named as being involved by Howard E Hunt...claiming LBJ was almost "maniacal in his want to be President and saw JFK as a stumbling block" but that was as far as it went.

Then the other day on the 50th anniversary someone had posted to youtube a 2 hour video of the CBS broadcast with Walter Cronkite anchoring on the day it happened and when he pronounced him dead. I watched the entire broadcast and Cronkite said something that had probably been heard 1,000,000 times before but never seemed out of the ordinary.

I am paraphrasing a bit... but he stated something to the effect that the Texas Governer Connally had been hit also.. but that Vice President LBJ had escaped injury because the car he was in had slowed down just before Elm Street and there had been a "gap" between Kennedy's car and "LBJ's" car... which probably saved him being shot too."

When I heard this the first thing I thought hang on... that's a bit suss... the fact his car just happened to slow down and allow a gap giving the shooter a clear shot to Kennedy's car. All of a sudden it's these little things that lend credence to what guys like Howard E Hunt say. Minute details like that lost and forgotten about for 50 years... all of a sudden take on new meaning in light of new information.
 
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I listened to Roger Stone on Coast to Coast recently, he painted a damning picture of LBJ , If he wasn't involved with the murder of JFK I'd be amazed.

What a nice bunch!
 
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I just recently bought JFK: the Unspeakable as a (lazy ol') audiobook . . . which I'll probably begin within the week.

To me personally, that there was complicity on the part of our government in JFK's assassination and 911 is rather a given and a non-subject. But newer and more interesting to me - and related to JFK - would be whether or not Marilyn Monroe was killed - it seems she was - by our government as well . . . opinions?
Google Fletcher Prouty.


Read his book "The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy" - it's all there from an honest man deep within the confines of dishonesty sublime.
 

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Just listened to Alex's interview with James Fetzer:
http://www.skeptiko.com/james-fetzer-jfk-assassination-science/

His edited trilogy about the topic (scientists' analysis of the evidence, including the forged evidence) sound like real musts in this field:
  • edited by James H. Fetzer. (October 1997). Assassination Science: Experts Speak Out on the Death of JFK. Open Court. ISBN 0-8126-9366-3.
  • ed. by James H. Fetzer. (August 2000). Murder in Dealey Plaza: What We Know Now that We Didn't Know Then. Open Court. ISBN 0-8126-9422-8.
  • ed. by James H. Fetzer (September 2003). The Great Zapruder Film Hoax: Deceit and Deception in the Death of JFK. Catfeet Press. ISBN 0-8126-9547-X.
Also, Douglas P. Horne's fairly recent 5-volume book sifting through the Review Board findings, specifically the medical coverup:
Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Assass...=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1385850399&sr=1-4


This book, the product of over 13 years of writing and research, provides the best explanation yet offered of the true nature of the medical coverup in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and does so in meticulous detail, with scrupulous use of primary source material. It incorporates the latest information---much of it new evidence not revealed elsewhere---gleaned from the ARRB's depositions and interviews of medical witnesses. With precise accuracy, and with a relentless focus on the massive fraud uncovered in the official records of the 35th President's assassination, Horne presents a persuasive case that the assassination of JFK was an "inside job," a true coup d'etat in America, that was ruthlessly and brazenly covered up by those who 'broke the back of the American century' in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
Here's Hunt's confession:
http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

LBJ's mistress's revelations about the night before:

Here's a good 1992 doc that's featured on the JFK film DVD as a bonus:

Oliver Stone's film (1991) had a huge impact and led to the 1992 Records Collection Act and the formation of the Assassinations Records Review Board. Like Frank, I find it interesting that these developments, and Hunt's confession, haven't had the impact I thought they would've had.

Here's another short doc (2001), also included on the JFK film deluxe edition DVD, about the review board and the new findings (4 parts) - very informative:

Parts 2 to 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS3hTap_vwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-F4fIrtIg


Stone's new 10-episode documentary "Untold History of the United States" was released on blu-ray a month ago.

A Gallup Poll released November 15, 2013, approaching the 50th anniversary, still found only 30% of the population believe Oswald acted alone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories#Medical_evidence
 
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Thanks. I'll check him [ret Lt. Col. Fletcher Prouty] out.
Never a better time to do so, inspiration for "Mr. X" is none other than L. Fletcher Prouty. This is not an inference or supposition. Oliver Stone introduced Prouty to the National Press Club as such.



In light of the vomitous Nova/CIA inspired "single bullet "documentary" recently aired, a good dose of Prouty will bring one back to reality.

"Why? That is the real question, isn't it? The how and the who is only scenery for the public. Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, The Mafia, keep's them guessing like it's a parlor game prevents them from asking the most important question...why."

"Why was Kennedy killed?
Who benefited?
Who has the power to cover it up?


Who?" ~ Mr. X
 
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Frank Matera

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A Gallup Poll released November 15, 2013, approaching the 50th anniversary, still found only 30% of the population believe Oswald acted alone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories#Medical_evidence
But the 70% are just conspiracy nuts apparently ;)

What I find almost unbelievable is that most skeptics you meet believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman and they actually believe the magic bullet theory... even though scientifically it just does not stack up. The Australian skeptics assoc say there is no conspiracy.... Michael Shermer wrote an article saying Oswald was the lone gunmen.

It really gives you an insight as to how skepticism works at that level. It has almost nothing to do with facts but all everything to do with promoting what they see as "commonsense" independant of the facts. If it's a conspiracy then it can't be common sense.. so the official story must be true because as a skeptic if all you have been taught and believed all these years was wrong (Like JFK, PSI etc) then that means you were just as gullible as everyone else.

I think things like the JFK case really show out the true skeptics from the pseudoskeptics.
 
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But the 70% are just conspiracy nuts apparently ;)

What I find almost unbelievable is that most skeptics you meet believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman and they actually believe the magic bullet theory... even though scientifically it just does not stack up. The Australian skeptics assoc say there is no conspiracy.... Michael Shermer wrote an article saying Oswald was the lone gunmen.

It really gives you an insight as to how skepticism works at that level. It has almost nothing to do with facts but all everything to do with promoting what they see as "commonsense" independant of the facts. If it's a conspiracy then it can't be common sense.. so the official story must be true because as a skeptic if all you have been taught and believed all these years was wrong (Like JFK, PSI etc) then that means you were just as gullible as everyone else.

I think things like the JFK case really show out the true skeptics from the pseudoskeptics.
Good post.

Yeah, it's like anything that slightly veers from the status-quo - no matter what the topic - needs their reigning it back in . . .
 
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What I find almost unbelievable is that most skeptics you meet believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman and they actually believe the magic bullet theory... even though scientifically it just does not stack up. The Australian skeptics assoc say there is no conspiracy.... Michael Shermer wrote an article saying Oswald was the lone gunmen.
Camper, Frank J. wrote http://www.amazon.com/The-Ultra-Secret-Frank-Camper/dp/1889149020/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

which proposes that Oswald was a Mk-Ultra victim with a split personality (MPD)

http://books.google.com/books?id=zMOG0qERuksC&lpg=PA256&ots=dlTIbITy2r&dq="frank camper" "mkultra"&pg=PA262#v=onepage&q="frank camper" "mkultra"&f=false

Judyth Vary Baker on her lover LHO and her participation in cancer-inducing, forced research, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, LHO's penetration of a group conspiring to kill Kennedy, etc. the last ten minutes are harrowing.


Quoting a Commenter on Camper's book...

Read this book by Camper and also see the Baker video, the final segment, again, of the THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNED/ Nigel Turner series. Forget the rest of the series and focus on this one new interview w/ Baker.

THEN READ -- THE MK/ULTRA SECRET by Frank Camper.

Together, they come as close to the truth re the JFK assassination as any evidence I have seen, and I've seen quite a lot. Unintentionally, TOGETHER they may well tell the real story. Quite amazingly, you stumble on the truth by seeing both sources. Each substantiates the other in a way not possible before.

Remember, Camper was an operative in this world of Intelligence. Unlike most researchers, he knows the tradecraft and how likely decisions/actions occur in the clandestine world of espionage.
Spot on? Can Camper be trusted to report information or disinformation? The CIA had to sign-off on his book. An assassin himself, a Mk-Ultra participant, what to make of him and Baker?

It's a labyrinth, a maze, a conundrum, a "mystery in a riddle inside an enigma" {Note: Ferrie/Pesci mentions in the opening working to cure cancer with mice ala Baker's testimony}


"All I wanted in the world is to be a Catholic priest"...~David Ferrie

Author Peter Levenda...

Ferrie was consecrated a bishop by Carl Stanley of the American Orthodox Catholic Church...
http://dperry1943.com/ferrie.html

It goes on and on and on...and one thing is absolute. One shot, four shots, it was a conspiracy.

P.S. For Reece.

In 2001, investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker published Barry and the Boys: The CIA, The Mob and America's Secret History.



One of the first authors to concentrate on the life and times of Barry Seal ( a dope smuggler and CIA operative who began his career as a cadet in the Civil Air Patrol with such dubious luminaries as Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferrie) he also explored the gun-running career of David Ferrie himself in the same volume. It is a book full of new information on Seal, Ferrie, and the anti-Castro Cubans of Miami, as well as on the mysterious goings-on at Mena, Arkansas.

http://www.madcowprod.com/05072006.html

Oh, I almost forgot. Guess who Barry Seal's BIL was?

William "Bear" Bottoms. ;)
 
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1. "Why was Kennedy killed?
2. Who benefited?
3. Who has the power to cover it up?
Who?"
~ Mr. X
1. LBJ wanted to become President. The CIA did not want to be broken up. J. Edgar Hoover wanted to be FBI Director for life.
2. They were the primary beneficiaries
3. LBJ had the power to appoint the Warren Commission, and classify documents for over 50 years.
 
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