Jim Marrs is not a Scientologist |340|
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Hi Mr. C... I defiantly get where yr coming from. I think Mormons often get a free pass -- they're clearly using a lot of cult techniques... worse yet, some weird cultish stuff seems baked into the DNA.
then again, I've made a couple of Mormon friends thru the show and found them to be not only "nice" but insightful about this stuff. so, I get where they're coming from too: community... common values... and some freedom to navigate around some of the bad stuff. personally, I'd never make that deal with the devil, but I understand why some people do.
I think Scientology is couple steps further down the dark path... they're a freak'n cult.
then again, I've made a couple of Mormon friends thru the show and found them to be not only "nice" but insightful about this stuff. so, I get where they're coming from too: community... common values... and some freedom to navigate around some of the bad stuff. personally, I'd never make that deal with the devil, but I understand why some people do.
I think Scientology is couple steps further down the dark path... they're a freak'n cult.
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agreed... I honestly don't understand people who identify as being Left/Right/Progressive/Conservative... I mean, that's not even a conversation I'm willing to waste time on (except for Rick Archer 
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Yeah, Obama brought us more wars than ever before, a double-down on the Patriot Act, crushing of whistleblowers, and more torture than ever before. I never seen a more complete betrayal of what stood for as a candidate. And I voted for the guy... at least the first time.
the ray of hope I cling to is that Truthers defeated Hillary (BTW I voted for her too... then, I learned about Pizzagate).
). Yeah, Obama brought us more wars than ever before, a double-down on the Patriot Act, crushing of whistleblowers, and more torture than ever before. I never seen a more complete betrayal of what stood for as a candidate. And I voted for the guy... at least the first time.
the ray of hope I cling to is that Truthers defeated Hillary (BTW I voted for her too... then, I learned about Pizzagate).
Hey, I didn't wish for Trump; I just didn't wish for Hillary, and as it turned out, Trump won because the Republicans didn't manage to come up with anyone better who wasn't part of the establishment. I'll admit to a tiny amount of schadenfreude, but that's just the devil in me...
I actually don't have a problem with Hubbard's ideas about getting clear. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_(Scientology)
That step seems analogous to the stuff folks like Gurdjieff or Almaas point to.
So I don't actually think Scientology is ALL bad. But the organization itself has behaved deplorably time and time again.
That step seems analogous to the stuff folks like Gurdjieff or Almaas point to.
So I don't actually think Scientology is ALL bad. But the organization itself has behaved deplorably time and time again.
I think its a koan. There are different types of koans but one type is a story or riddle that tests the student because it tends to lead people into thinking in a dualistic way (good/bad, winning/losing, right/wrong). An advanced student will not be fooled by the koan. When the mind is in a state of non-attachment, dualistic thinking ceases.
Life is a koan.
Life is a koan.
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We have a thread for There is no Evil.
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/there-is-no-evil.3158/
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/there-is-no-evil.3158/
So, you were "right on board with this interview"... right on board with the idea that a shadow government executed a coup d'etat in order seize power from JFK. and you're right on board with the idea that elements of this shadow government have basically been in control (including both Republicans and Democrats) since then. and you're "right on board" with the idea that 9-11 was an inside job perpetrated by elements of this shadow globalist force. So, you're on board with what Jim Marrs has to say about all that, but you just can't bear the part about Trump v. Hillary.
Sounds more like classic trolling.
Sounds more like classic trolling.
Yeah, I very much agree, there are a lot of very good insightful people in Mormonism. I don't want to diminish those people, my admittedly somewhat knee-jerk initial post probably came off that way. My own upbringing gave me a unique experience in understanding the 'from within' experience of this particular church. I think the fact that I'm gay was specifically the thing that helped me wake up from it because I didn't fit from the get go.
It's funny because now I have a sense that there probably is a god or god force, whatever you want to call it, thanks to the widespread reporting through NDEs. Many people who leave the LDS church end up going to the opposite end and become materialistic athiests and I also tend to recoil from that also, it's why I've appreciated Skeptiko so much.
So now I'm in this odd position where I share similar beliefs with my parents to a degree, I just don't believe I have to pay a church 10% of my income to be in the good graces of that higher power.
I also actually credit mormonism with helping me to be open to other possibilities like alien contact, whatever that may actually end up being. Mormon theology puts forward that there are other planets with other 'children of god' populations. In fact Mormonism has among its more esoteric teachings that god lives on a 'celestial' planet called Kolob (not kidding). I don't know what the alien abduction thing is all about, it's likely connected to all this in some way, but I do credit Mormonism with helping me open to it.
It's funny because now I have a sense that there probably is a god or god force, whatever you want to call it, thanks to the widespread reporting through NDEs. Many people who leave the LDS church end up going to the opposite end and become materialistic athiests and I also tend to recoil from that also, it's why I've appreciated Skeptiko so much.
So now I'm in this odd position where I share similar beliefs with my parents to a degree, I just don't believe I have to pay a church 10% of my income to be in the good graces of that higher power.
I also actually credit mormonism with helping me to be open to other possibilities like alien contact, whatever that may actually end up being. Mormon theology puts forward that there are other planets with other 'children of god' populations. In fact Mormonism has among its more esoteric teachings that god lives on a 'celestial' planet called Kolob (not kidding). I don't know what the alien abduction thing is all about, it's likely connected to all this in some way, but I do credit Mormonism with helping me open to it.
Great interview. Glad to see you go after him, and get more skeptikal than you are with many of your guests. But puhleeze he is being so obvious! Scientology IS a military mind control program. End of story. Hubbard was in Naval Intelligence, the oldest of all intelligence agencies. And Scientology is finally suffering serious credibility issues, so bring in deep cover Marrs to shore it up as much as possible. How can he not know it is based on child abuse and mind control? I urge everyone to listen to Leah Remini on the Joe Rogan podcast from a couple weeks ago. MIND BLOWING. The occult and military intelligence as a unit go back to John Dee and Queen Elizabeth, Walsingham and Francis Bacon. Hubbard was a Crowleyite and Crowley was a MI6 agent and a master of mind control. Agent 666. All from England, the country that has invaded 188 other countries.
It is telling that the conspiracy crowd was heavily weighted and instructed to be for Trump. C'mon give me a break. Why not vote for Jill Stein? She campaigned on opening 9-11 up for reinvestigation. The orange guy is so obviously a huckster. i can see rubes in Wisconsin and some hard up white folks easily falling for it....but people who claim knowledge of the deep state to actually support this orange buffoon is deeply suspicious.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it. Marrs has outed himself. All conspiracyites who actually support Trump have outed themselves.
Now to go way out there. My take is that 'they' are creating a new world religion based on science with aliens as the gods. It will unify the world. This end game is really about using the aliens. You need a religion to control the masses. That's rule number one. Science is the destroyer of religion, that was really the goal of the Royal Society. So you have to use science as the foundation of a new religion. Aliens will prove "Science". They will have to be hologrammed because they do not exist. Scientism already has the form and shape of a religion with evolution and the big bang as it's founding principles. Especially since evolution is so obviously Not True. I wish Alex would do a show with some of the leading demolishers of Darwinism. It's ripe and ready to fall.
Berlinski on evolution. Must see
Leah Remini on Joe Rogan. Unbelievable: http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/leah-remini
peace
It is telling that the conspiracy crowd was heavily weighted and instructed to be for Trump. C'mon give me a break. Why not vote for Jill Stein? She campaigned on opening 9-11 up for reinvestigation. The orange guy is so obviously a huckster. i can see rubes in Wisconsin and some hard up white folks easily falling for it....but people who claim knowledge of the deep state to actually support this orange buffoon is deeply suspicious.
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it. Marrs has outed himself. All conspiracyites who actually support Trump have outed themselves.
Now to go way out there. My take is that 'they' are creating a new world religion based on science with aliens as the gods. It will unify the world. This end game is really about using the aliens. You need a religion to control the masses. That's rule number one. Science is the destroyer of religion, that was really the goal of the Royal Society. So you have to use science as the foundation of a new religion. Aliens will prove "Science". They will have to be hologrammed because they do not exist. Scientism already has the form and shape of a religion with evolution and the big bang as it's founding principles. Especially since evolution is so obviously Not True. I wish Alex would do a show with some of the leading demolishers of Darwinism. It's ripe and ready to fall.
Berlinski on evolution. Must see
peace
As I read your post, I found myself flipping repeatedly between agreeing with you, and disagreeing! For example,
I agree with you about Scientology (though I have not explored this cult in any depth), and I love your evolution video - Berlinski deserves a lot of exposure because he absolutely hits the roots of the problems with evolution.
On the other hand, Jill Stein was never going to attract the mass vote that Donald Trump managed - so voting for her would have been really half a vote for Hillary Clinton - a woman who seemed hell bent on a confrontation with Russia in Syria.
I have created a new thread to discuss your video.
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/an-amazing-video-about-evolution.3633/
David
I agree with you about Scientology (though I have not explored this cult in any depth), and I love your evolution video - Berlinski deserves a lot of exposure because he absolutely hits the roots of the problems with evolution.
On the other hand, Jill Stein was never going to attract the mass vote that Donald Trump managed - so voting for her would have been really half a vote for Hillary Clinton - a woman who seemed hell bent on a confrontation with Russia in Syria.
I have created a new thread to discuss your video.
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/an-amazing-video-about-evolution.3633/
David
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interesting... one (of many) new bit of info for me was L. Ron Hubbard's battle with military intelligence over this "technology." what do you make of history?
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/scientology_remote_viewing
and "sheep dipped" as I discovered... which only adds to the intruige about his sketchy past in military intelligence.
yes, strange... keep wondering if I got all of the story here.
does seem out of character, then again, I'm constantly amazed by the blind spots we all seem to develop. my gut feeling is that Marrs has merely developed such a blind spot re Scientology... but who knows?
thx for the nudge... have had it queued up for a couple of weeks.
facinating history:
I'd like to know more about this connection. do you have any good links to share?
I don't know... I see it much more like this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...s-erupted-between-deep-state-and-donald-trump
Gordon White does a great job with this also:
https://runesoup.com/the-all-red-line/
I thought I did
http://skeptiko.com/247-roy-davies-exposes-darwin-plagiarism/
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/scientology_remote_viewing
and "sheep dipped" as I discovered... which only adds to the intruige about his sketchy past in military intelligence.
yes, strange... keep wondering if I got all of the story here.
does seem out of character, then again, I'm constantly amazed by the blind spots we all seem to develop. my gut feeling is that Marrs has merely developed such a blind spot re Scientology... but who knows?
thx for the nudge... have had it queued up for a couple of weeks.
facinating history:
I'd like to know more about this connection. do you have any good links to share?
I don't know... I see it much more like this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...s-erupted-between-deep-state-and-donald-trump
Gordon White does a great job with this also:
https://runesoup.com/the-all-red-line/
I thought I did
http://skeptiko.com/247-roy-davies-exposes-darwin-plagiarism/
Yes, but I think the current state of Darwinism is far more interesting.
One crucial difference between now and then, is that back then nobody knew what a gene consisted of -so the idea that there might be one or two genes for height (say) that would vary in small steps or even continuously was still possible. Now we know that genes are made of DNA, which is analogous to computer code, and supremely breakable!
An interview with David Berlinski or Stephen Meyer would be a real coup. However, Skeptiko is possibly too way out for them (!!), but it would be worth a try.
I feel the problems with evolutionary theory hit two Skeptiko issues - the problem with contemporary science, and the fact that any other explanation of evolution seems to require a (probably non-physical) intelligence.
David
One crucial difference between now and then, is that back then nobody knew what a gene consisted of -so the idea that there might be one or two genes for height (say) that would vary in small steps or even continuously was still possible. Now we know that genes are made of DNA, which is analogous to computer code, and supremely breakable!
An interview with David Berlinski or Stephen Meyer would be a real coup. However, Skeptiko is possibly too way out for them (!!), but it would be worth a try.
I feel the problems with evolutionary theory hit two Skeptiko issues - the problem with contemporary science, and the fact that any other explanation of evolution seems to require a (probably non-physical) intelligence.
David