Charlie Primero
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Scientology was looking for someone with real credibility among the "2nd Matrix" folks.
What are "2nd Matrix folks"?
I've never heard that term.
Scientology was looking for someone with real credibility among the "2nd Matrix" folks.
Well Charlie
I think the best book I read about Scientology is Jon Atack’s book A Piece of Blue Sky, first published in 1990. I read it in 1998. This was back when I was still writing for a Skeptic site, and my brother sent me the book. At the time he lived in Clearwater, Fla, Scientology’s “Flag Base.” The St. Petersburg Times relentlessly covered Scientology back then. My brother had witnessed RPFers (RPF=Rehabilitation Project Force, a punishment for errant Scientologists) eating out of trash cans.
The book covers Atack’s own experience in Scientology, as well as Hubbard’s (actual) career — his stint in Naval Intelligence, his involvement with the occult, and so on. It also covered the surreal takeover of Scientology by the CMO — Commodore’s Messenger Org — after he died. It covers their war with the IRS, Hubbard’s philosophy and “tech,” OT levels, Xenu, and many other topics.
I have not read or seen the film of Going Clear. I did read Paulette Cooper’s book, the one that made her a target of Scientology (“Operation Freakout”). I still have two huge binders of Scientology print-outs I found off the Internet back then, and a huge collection of personal stories. Particularly fascinating were the ones from people who spent time on “Commodore” Hubbard’s ship with him. I have copies of many Scientology books — some not for the public and some that were — that I found in used bookstores. I have a transcript of David Miscavige’s two-hour victory speech on the IRS. I have a copy of his Nightline appearance too, since he rarely gave interviews. (These are probably on YouTube by now, I assume, but back then it was hard to find.) Basically, I studied this cult for about a year and a half.
(I did, eventually, write about them for the aforementioned Skeptic site, but it is no longer online.)
It’s a fascinating glimpse into a cult and how mind control and conditioning work. These days I do wonder if intelligence agencies were using his “research” of the members of his cult. The techniques are so familiar. (I also wonder about People’s Temple too.) I found it strange that the Federal Government eventually gave them what they wanted, and so I now wonder if they offered something in return. I have my suspicions of what that is.
But, anyway, yes, I recommend Jon Atack’s book as an introduction, though I know there are many more out there now. He was very brave to publish that when he did, and of course he got sued.
I think if you look at Marrs as a kind of meme it makes sense. Or to mix the metaphor, Marrs and his "followers" fit into place like a protein and its receptor. I think Scientology is guessing that the receptor is compatible and that, given the current understanding that "alien" life forms are more likely than not, at least some Marrs "followers" will investigate and chose Scientology.Ah, I see. Thank you.
Your thesis regarding Marrs + Scientology makes sense.
Scientology is an E.T. Religion. Marrs' hidden alien controllers thesis confirms Scientology's religious doctrine. They make good partners.
I had a phone conversation with him followed by a lengthy email exchange in preparation for a potential interview. I'll share on excerpt from Jan:I have listened to all of Jan's podcasts and never heard him deny the Holocaust.
I had a phone conversation with him followed by a lengthy email exchange in preparation for a potential interview....
Of course, he got really pissed off and broke off communication.
13 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Interesting stuff. Would you like to re-post yr article here. I'd like to read it.I think the best book I read about Scientology is Jon Atack’s book A Piece of Blue Sky, first published in 1990. I read it in 1998. This was back when I was still writing for a Skeptic site, and my brother sent me the book. At the time he lived in Clearwater, Fla, Scientology’s “Flag Base.” The St. Petersburg Times relentlessly covered Scientology back then. My brother had witnessed RPFers (RPF=Rehabilitation Project Force, a punishment for errant Scientologists) eating out of trash cans.
The book covers Atack’s own experience in Scientology, as well as Hubbard’s (actual) career — his stint in Naval Intelligence, his involvement with the occult, and so on. It also covered the surreal takeover of Scientology by the CMO — Commodore’s Messenger Org — after he died. It covers their war with the IRS, Hubbard’s philosophy and “tech,” OT levels, Xenu, and many other topics.
I have not read or seen the film of Going Clear. I did read Paulette Cooper’s book, the one that made her a target of Scientology (“Operation Freakout”). I still have two huge binders of Scientology print-outs I found off the Internet back then, and a huge collection of personal stories. Particularly fascinating were the ones from people who spent time on “Commodore” Hubbard’s ship with him. I have copies of many Scientology books — some not for the public and some that were — that I found in used bookstores. I have a transcript of David Miscavige’s two-hour victory speech on the IRS. I have a copy of his Nightline appearance too, since he rarely gave interviews. (These are probably on YouTube by now, I assume, but back then it was hard to find.) Basically, I studied this cult for about a year and a half.
(I did, eventually, write about them for the aforementioned Skeptic site, but it is no longer online.)
It’s a fascinating glimpse into a cult and how mind control and conditioning work. These days I do wonder if intelligence agencies were using his “research” of the members of his cult. The techniques are so familiar. (I also wonder about People’s Temple too.) I found it strange that the Federal Government eventually gave them what they wanted, and so I now wonder if they offered something in return. I have my suspicions of what that is.
But, anyway, yes, I recommend Jon Atack’s book as an introduction, though I know there are many more out there now. He was very brave to publish that when he did, and of course he got sued.
Sounds like Jan...
So, given the Nazi's were...
He's still doing interesting work. His company is working on some very radical alternative energy sources. His life didn't stop when Stargate was over.interesting :)
naa... I think I've hammered on Stargate enough... especially considering the next episode is with Ed May.
Indeed. Jan’s online social behavior is atrocious. I believe he genuinely suffers from a mild form of autism.
Ironically, this autism is the very thing that make him such an uncompromisingly good and honest researcher. The autism drives him to do the unglamorous actual historian work of traveling to old University libraries to spend hours reading boring government documents, and filing endless FOIA requests.
Few historians do that kind of core original research anymore. The majority of "historians" today earn their academic paychecks as easily as possible by simply compiling and regurgitating facts uncovered by previous historians.
I've moved this discussion to a new thread:I must agree with Jan that the onus of proof rests upon the person making an assertion.
Your characterization of him as a “Holocaust Denier” for simply questioning the historical veracity of certain aspects of the official World War Two historical narrative seems unfair to me.
You can't blame the wrecking crew for demolishing an old closed factory just because the state decided to put some "projects" turned crack-houses in its place.
The CIA did the opposite. They destroyed an existing structure that was alive and working, and replaced it with a crack house. :)
I think the best book I read about Scientology is Jon Atack’s book A Piece of Blue Sky, first published in 1990. I read it in 1998. This was back when I was still writing for a Skeptic site