Joshua Cutchin, From Bigfoot to Extended Consciousness |418|

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Joshua Cutchin, From Bigfoot to Extended Consciousness |418|
by Alex Tsakiris | Jul 9 | Consciousness Research, Parapsychology, Spirituality
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Joshua Cutchin’s massive collection of Bigfoot cases points to an extended consciousness phenomenon.

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Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome the fantastic Joshua Cutchin to Skeptiko. Josh is a really remarkable researcher and author known for his insanely well-researched books, I’ve thrown a few of them up there on the screen, and on his just vast knowledge of all aspects of the paranormal. This guy, as you’ll find out as we do this show, is kind of a walking casebook of paranormal cases and you seem to be able to access those deep into your online database there at a moment’s notice, which is so fun.
This interview is long overdue. I really wanted to have you on last year to talk about your book, Thieves in the Night, an amazing book. I was late to the party, maybe we can talk a little bit about that. I know you have a new book coming out on Bigfoot and I want to make sure we talk about that. I mainly just wanted to get you on because I just so admire your work. So thanks for coming on, great to talk to you.
Joshua Cutchin: Well, thanks for the kind words. I genuinely appreciate it as someone who has listened to Skeptiko for a long time. It means a lot to live out this sort of surreal life where your hobbies and your real life sort of get mixed together. So I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Alex Tsakiris: Yeah, that is a whole funny thing isn’t it, because that’s really how we both are? I don’t want to spend a lot of time going into that because we’re both kind of pressed today, but that’d be a great topic for another conversation, is how we got into this and then again, like you just said, I totally relate, living out this kind of surreal kind of, “Am I really talking to this person?” I mean, that’s the sense I get every time. Last week I was talking to Dr Diana Pasulka and I was like, “Wow! This is fantastic.”
But the purpose for your visit today is to play Skeptiko Jeopardy, a new idea that I just invented, and you know what, this is going to be good because this is really going to move us along quickly, which we both need.
There I have nine topics up on the screen, Bigfoot, The Pope, NDEs Versus Abductions, Creating Reality, really co-creating reality, Time and Space, Pan-Paranormal, that’s who you are, Drip, Drip, Drip, Left-Hand Path and God.
So Josh, you get to pick and then we get to talk.
Joshua Cutchin: Well this is so predictable given where I am in my life, but it’s just where my head space is. I’ll take Bigfoot for a hundred Alex.
 
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DNA evidence proves Sasquatch are people (human hybrids). They should not be talked about as if they were animals (as some researchers do) and they should not be referred to with disrespectful names like "Bigfoot".

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Dr Melba Ketchum is a forensics expert who has a business analyzing DNA from crime scenes.
"Sasquatch Are People" DNA sequence studies by Dr. Melba Ketchum show that the Sasquatch are a hybrid of human and an unknown primate species:
http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2013/09/sasquatch-are-people.html


Sightings of Sasquatch correlate with suitable habitat and not with human population density which is what you would expect if they are real and not what you would expect if sightings were hoaxes:
"Wood Ape Sightings: Correlations to Annual Rainfall Totals, Waterways, Human Population Densities and Black Bear Habitat Zones" by Daryl Colyer & Alton Higgins
http://woodape.org/index.php/about-bigfoot/articles/67-ecological-patterns


Fresh deer bones were found near Mt St Helen's with teeth marks made by a giant primate:
Using Biotic Taphonomy Signature Analysis and Neoichnology Profiling to determine the identity of the carnivore taxa responsible for the deposition and mechanical mastication of three independent prey bone assemblages in the Mount St. Helen’s ecosystem of the Cascade mountain range by Aaron Mills, Gerald Mills, M. N. Townsend
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=25BBCABF2DE517FF!108&ithint=file,pdf&app=WordPdf&authkey=!AOLzbmAVbvcVkIM

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I am aware of some of the evidence linking Sasquatch to paranormal phenomena. I don't know what it means.

But I think this is a good place to mention that humans are a hybrid of chimps and pigs.
There are 90 characteristics of pigs that are also found in humans but are not found in any other primate species:
http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html

I suspect that someone has been monkeying around with Human evolution and maybe Sasquatch evolution too.

I am pretty sure the park rangers and department of fish and wildlife staff know about Sasquatch. They don't make it public to protect the Sasquatch people from inevitable harassment etc that would result. And maybe to protect humanity from a huge dose of cognitive dissonance that would result if the truth (whatever it is ... relating to paranormal and or genetic tinkering) were revealed.

Dr. Melba Ketchum (see first reference above) has written a series of novels about Sasquatch supposedly based on knowledge obtained by habituators, people who live near Sasquatch territory and have interactions with Sasquatch, they leave food out for them to try to induce them to interact. She felt it would do too much damage to her career and business if she came out with that information as non fiction, but supposedly Sasquatch have some psychic powers and like humans, some are nice and some are not so nice.
 
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Looking forward to listening to this one. Some quick thoughts to start (won’t gave a chance to listen probably until tomorrow). A cryptid-centric guest has really been missing from the Skeptiko archives and it absolutely warrants discussion.

If you guys haven’t spent a lot of time listening to first and accounts of encounters with cryptids, when you do (so long as your open minded) you’ll notice the same pattern that you notice with UFO close encounters and other sorts of anomalous phenomena. Namely, that there is an overwhelming amount of testimony coming from credible people from all walks of life. There is some sort of phenomena occurring. And, as with the UFO phenomena, there appears to be a connection in many cases with other paranormal events like poltergeist activity etc. Also, as with the UFO phenomena (and all sorts of other anomalous phenomena) it seems as if the “trickster” is limiting our ability to study and document this phenomena.

This whole thing with anomalous phenomena is like a murder case with no body or weapon, but 10,000 people all saw the man kill the victim. So, you have to move to convict based upon the overwhelming testimony of all the credible witnesses, but where the hell is the body? Where’s the murder weapon? We have traces of physical evidence, but not the big clinchers.

This all being the case, this is a big part of the reason that I’m more sympathetic with the inter-dimensional hypothesis (as a whole) with regards to UFOs/Cryptids. Of course ETs may be coming here from another planet, and maybe the same is true of cryptids. (I think it’s enormously improbable that Bigfoot etc are an actual undiscovered native species in the same sense that a deer is a native species). There’s something funny going on, and I think it transcends our universe.

I can’t by any stretch be certain of course, but it makes more intuitive sense to me to ascribe this tricksterish/paranormal behavior with something more spiritual. Which, to me, is to say that it’s inter-dimensional.

Technically I think that there are countless number of different dimensions. And basically any dimension which isn’t our own gets generically called “the spiritual realm.” But they really aren’t any more or less “spiritual” than our current realm. They are just other places with other spiritual beings. We are spiritual beings living here. This is all a normal part of nature, as are these beings, whatever they are. There are those amongst us who seem to have the ability to travel to other dimensions via NDE/OBE etc etc. So, likewise, I think these other beings have a similar ability, but may have honed it or mastered it in ways we cannot comprehend.

And perhaps there is some mandate or law which must be followed which states that they cannot interfere to the point where they make their presence blatant and obvious. Ever seen Bigfoot at a baseball game? Ever seen aliens at a Presidential rally?

Just some speculation
 
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When I was much younger, I used to think that, aside from hoaxes and mis-IDs, Bigfoot might be a shy flesh and blood creature - type of ape or primitive human - that hid out deep in the woods in remote areas. However, then Bigfoot started showing up in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania and even Vermont that are less isolated and have been subjected to much human exploration and habitation over the past couple hundred of years.

So now I have concluded that good ole bigfoot is right there with UFOs, The Moth Man and similar phenomena that have gained mythological notoriety, yet have left credible witnesses and sometimes some physical evidence.
 
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In the interview alex said, "I think people don’t really understand the predicament that you’re in if you don’t say that you have some kind of control over your destiny. The God thing is awesome, but it’s really, really challenging too to say, “I have no agency in this world. I’m not going to try and make things better. I’m only interested in merging with the God head.”
But personally I think it might be the best conclusion to make. Digging too deeply into all or any of the questionable issues occurring on Earth can get a person into an institution or maybe assassinated. Even if a determined person or group manages to bring about some changes for the better for the people, it isn't long before the good is undone by the powers that be. Jesus told us two thousand years ago that the prince of this world is the Devil. Because so many of us only know of this world and can't comprehend or will entertain the idea of life having consequences after death, we conclude we shall get all we can out of this life and to this end so many justify their often less than honorable means of obtaining such. Maybe the only thing keeping this world from becoming totally hellish is what we may learn from those who have returned from the death state such as Howard Storm or from ancient wisdom found in the Bible, such as, "What profiteth it for a man to gain the whole world but lose his Soul."
 
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In the interview alex said, "I think people don’t really understand the predicament that you’re in if you don’t say that you have some kind of control over your destiny. The God thing is awesome, but it’s really, really challenging too to say, “I have no agency in this world. I’m not going to try and make things better. I’m only interested in merging with the God head.”
But personally I think it might be the best conclusion to make. Digging too deeply into all or any of the questionable issues occurring on Earth can get a person into an institution or maybe assassinated. Even if a determined person or group manages to bring about some changes for the better for the people, it isn't long before the good is undone by the powers that be. Jesus told us two thousand years ago that the prince of this world is the Devil. Because so many of us only know of this world and can't comprehend or will entertain the idea of life having consequences after death, we conclude we shall get all we can out of this life and to this end so many justify their often less than honorable means of obtaining such. Maybe the only thing keeping this world from becoming totally hellish is what we may learn from those who have returned from the death state such as Howard Storm or from ancient wisdom found in the Bible, such as, "What profiteth it for a man to gain the whole world but lose his Soul."
"world... what world?" Amma :)
 
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In the interview alex said, "I think people don’t really understand the predicament that you’re in if you don’t say that you have some kind of control over your destiny. The God thing is awesome, but it’s really, really challenging too to say, “I have no agency in this world. I’m not going to try and make things better. I’m only interested in merging with the God head.”."
But it is written that the Lord helps those who help themselves.

It is also written, "Are ye not gods?"

So there is always a tension between surrendering to a greater power and using your own innate creative power.

Nothing is ever all this or all that, black/white, yes/no..........
 
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I can’t by any stretch be certain of course, but it makes more intuitive sense to me to ascribe this tricksterish/paranormal behavior with something more spiritual. Which, to me, is to say that it’s inter-dimensional.

Technically I think that there are countless number of different dimensions. And basically any dimension which isn’t our own gets generically called “the spiritual realm.”
I am not sure the correct term really is 'dimension' because I don't see a dimension here that would be orthogonal to our existing 3 space and one time dimensions.

Seth talks about probabilistic alternatives. While I am a bit dubious about him, I guess this idea might seem closer to what we may have here - alternative forms of physical reality. Jurgen Ziewe reports a whole mass of 'dimensions' that seem similar to what we are discussing here. I know that in a sense it is nit-picking, but the technical concept of a dimension does imply that it is orthogonal (at right angles) to the other dimensions - maybe we should call them "alternative realities" (ARs).

I suppose what I am imagining is a whole set of ARs that are slightly coupled together, so maybe one AR separated from ours quite recently (in geological terms) and contains beings with similar DNA. Then if one of these beings can leak back into our AR for a while, and it sheds some DNA that is recognisably human.

At other times the coupling may be more spiritual/paranormal, so some of that gets injected into our AR.

Possibly ARs which separated further back are so radically different that they don't couple with us.

A model along these lines might fit a whole mass of phenomena, such as the alternative realities seen by DMT users, etc.

One implication of this, would be that we may intrude into their ARs, causing them equal confusion!

David
 
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I am not sure the correct term really is 'dimension' because I don't see a dimension here that would be orthogonal to our existing 3 space and one time dimensions.

Seth talks about probabilistic alternatives. While I am a bit dubious about him, I guess this idea might seem closer to what we may have here - alternative forms of physical reality. Jurgen Ziewe reports a whole mass of 'dimensions' that seem similar to what we are discussing here. I know that in a sense it is nit-picking, but the technical concept of a dimension does imply that it is orthogonal (at right angles) to the other dimensions - maybe we should call them "alternative realities" (ARs).

I suppose what I am imagining is a whole set of ARs that are slightly coupled together, so maybe one AR separated from ours quite recently (in geological terms) and contains beings with similar DNA. Then if one of these beings can leak back into our AR for a while, and it sheds some DNA that is recognisably human.

At other times the coupling may be more spiritual/paranormal, so some of that gets injected into our AR.

Possibly ARs which separated further back are so radically different that they don't couple with us.

A model along these lines might fit a whole mass of phenomena, such as the alternative realities seen by DMT users, etc.

One implication of this, would be that we may intrude into their ARs, causing them equal confusion!

David
That’s definitely my thinking too. I think there are an extraordinary number of other realities, all linked in some way, but some much much much more intimately than others. But they have all been created and sustained by consciousness, and I think all of us are involved in this creative and sustaining process.

You’re probably right about the terminology. Dimensions are a concept that describe the physical space-time of our known universe. But I think both “dimensions” and “realities” are better terms than “spiritual realms.”
 
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That’s definitely my thinking too. I think there are an extraordinary number of other realities, all linked in some way, but some much much much more intimately than others. But they have all been created and sustained by consciousness, and I think all of us are involved in this creative and sustaining process.
I always feel it is better not to make assumptions that can't be tested right now - Idealism. I feel in drags Bernardo into an endless set of metaphors, which don't help.
You’re probably right about the terminology. Dimensions are a concept that describe the physical space-time of our known universe. But I think both “dimensions” and “realities” are better terms than “spiritual realms.”
You see, I feel that there are just too many terms used very loosely - dimension, vibration, frequency,..... This helps to produce a sense of vague abstraction - at least in me. I don't mind if we don't call them ARs, but we need some consistent terminology that doesn't hint in false directions.

"Spiritual realm" would certainly be a bad choice - I agree - because I suppose these alternative realms would appear much like our reality to the inhabitants. Some kind of layering of non-physical reality would sit on top of all that - perhaps with more links than those between purely physical realms.

If the connections are generated stochastically, I wonder if we could do away with the idea of a 'Trickster' - an idea that has never appealed to me!

It all makes for an awfully complicated overall reality!

David
 
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But it is written that the Lord helps those who help themselves.

It is also written, "Are ye not gods?"

So there is always a tension between surrendering to a greater power and using your own innate creative power.

Nothing is ever all this or all that, black/white, yes/no..........
Good does indeed trimph over evil, Eric. Call me loonie tunes if you like but I was a witness to a spiritual battle between my Angel and a dark entity I had picked up from relations with a female who was what we now term, "bi polar" but in former times we called, "possessed." It all boils down to a personal decision. I chose Jesus and His promise for us. My Angel acted and the demon was banished. But please consider this just more, "fake news." The revelation was meant to be personal.
 
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I always feel it is better not to make assumptions that can't be tested right now - Idealism. I feel in drags Bernardo into an endless set of metaphors, which don't help.

You see, I feel that there are just too many terms used very loosely - dimension, vibration, frequency,..... This helps to produce a sense of vague abstraction - at least in me. I don't mind if we don't call them ARs, but we need some consistent terminology that doesn't hint in false directions.

"Spiritual realm" would certainly be a bad choice - I agree - because I suppose these alternative realms would appear much like our reality to the inhabitants. Some kind of layering of non-physical reality would sit on top of all that - perhaps with more links than those between purely physical realms.

If the connections are generated stochastically, I wonder if we could do away with the idea of a 'Trickster' - an idea that has never appealed to me!

It all makes for an awfully complicated overall reality!

David
What's wrong with trickster? It seems to provide a good description and explanation(within a limited context) of how consciousness and differentiated selfhood come into being. It works well with developemental psychology as well as models of spiritual evolution
 
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What's wrong with trickster? It seems to provide a good description and explanation(within a limited context) of how consciousness and differentiated selfhood come into being. It works well with developemental psychology as well as models of spiritual evolution
what do tricksters see in their NDE life review?
 
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what do tricksters see in their NDE life review?
I'm speaking of the trickster as an archetype that manifests in the personality of an individual or culture under certain conditions as an aspect of our psycho/spiritual evolution, not as a discreet entity. Possibly an aspect of the trickster could be present at life review in that the trickster is the bullshit detector in the psyche. Also the trickster is a less mature aspect of the magician archetype in neo-Jungian psychology and the priest or ritual elder are more mature manifestations of the magician. The ritual process of confession which exists in many cultures has a lot in common with the life review. Anyway I won't go on here, I know you are not that into all this archetypal psych stuff:)
 
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The ritual process of confession which exists in many cultures has a lot in common with the life review.
Well... I dunno, Larry. My inherited faith is Roman Catholic but I'll be damned if I'll ever subject myself the the, "Sacrament" of confession again. What business has a mortal man with, among other things, something so personal as a person's chronic act of masterbating same as most people? In all the near death experiences I've ever read this was never mentioned as anything of concern, Jesus never talked about it in the gospels either. In the life review the spirits are more concerned with how we treated each other while on Earth and we apparently are shown scenes important to our future further Spiritual development in this respect.
 
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Well... I dunno, Larry. My inherited faith is Roman Catholic but I'll be damned if I'll ever subject myself the the, "Sacrament" of confession again. What business has a mortal man with, among other things, something so personal as a person's chronic act of masterbating same as most people? In all the near death experiences I've ever read this was never mentioned as anything of concern, Jesus never talked about it in the gospels either. In the life review the spirits are more concerned with how we treated each other while on Earth and we apparently are shown scenes important to our future further Spiritual development in this respect.
I haven't read that many life reviews but I keep hearing that we judge ourselves. I was a catholic as well and went through all the bs but just because the church contaminated the process, the ritual process is universal (archetypal) - I mean it's a 4th step in AA. It's a major part of dianetics, psychotherapy, some buddhist traditions . . . I don't think the life review is exactly the same as parallell processes that occur in this dimension but I think it's a universal pattern (as above so below) maybe?
As far as what you said about "What business has a mortal man with, among other things, something so personal". probably nothing in his human personality, but a true ritual elder can tap into a transcendent dimension to facilitate the healing process of another.
 
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Well... I dunno, Larry. My inherited faith is Roman Catholic but I'll be damned if I'll ever subject myself the the, "Sacrament" of confession again. What business has a mortal man with, among other things, something so personal as a person's chronic act of masterbating same as most people? In all the near death experiences I've ever read this was never mentioned as anything of concern, Jesus never talked about it in the gospels either. In the life review the spirits are more concerned with how we treated each other while on Earth and we apparently are shown scenes important to our future further Spiritual development in this respect.
If you haven't read it already, you should read this book by a lady called Uta Ranke Heinemann. It documents how the Roman Catholic ideas of sexual sin came in many centuries after the birth of Christ. I read it many years ago, and If I remember right, a lot of these ideas were imported from Zoroastrianism.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eunuchs-Kingdom-Heaven-Sexuality-Catholic/dp/0385265271

David
 
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I haven't read that many life reviews but I keep hearing that we judge ourselves. I was a catholic as well and went through all the bs but just because the church contaminated the process, the ritual process is universal (archetypal) - I mean it's a 4th step in AA. It's a major part of dianetics, psychotherapy, some buddhist traditions . . . I don't think the life review is exactly the same as parallell processes that occur in this dimension but I think it's a universal pattern (as above so below) maybe?
As far as what you said about "What business has a mortal man with, among other things, something so personal". probably nothing in his human personality, but a true ritual elder can tap into a transcendent dimension to facilitate the healing process of another.
Time and time again, indeed, we are told by NDErs that the judgement was coming from themselves. OBErs like Jurgen Ziewe and William Buhlman have stated that they encounter departed individuals who have created prisons for themselves of various sorts in these hyper thought malleable alternate realities which they claim to visit. These two ideas sort of support each other in a way.
 
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