Joy Lin, From Engineer to Spirit Medium |347|

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  1. joy lin

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    A lot of people make bad choices out of fear unfortunately... they can't see things clearly in their time of desperation.
     
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  2. Brian_the_bard

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    When I used to read the Tarot, I had the Rider/Waite deck but I also read a book called The 78 Degrees Of Wisdom which helped develop a more intuitive approach, working with the imagery. That was when I started to get interesting results, but I found the most important thing that happened was the exploration of thoughts and feelings that then ensued rather than what the cards actually said. The Lenormand deck looks really beautiful. It reminds me a little of the Prediction deck.
     
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    Totally agree. A friend of mine use to say, knowing tarot is a science, but reading it is an art. Anyone can know the definition of the cards or learn them/look them up... but the deep interpretation of the cards is really spirit working with your intuition working with the person asking the question....
    In my companion book of the energy class I teach, I wrote this:

    Every answer to every question already exists within the universal microcosm which is soul. The answers to all the greatest mysteries are held within each of us and they can be retrieved at anytime. Oracle cards and tarot cards are merely a reflection of this principle. The answers are chosen or sought out by the person who is asking the question. Same without the use of cards. There is a stronger energy vibration of the most likely occurrence of a future event. The energy is there in the universe to support the event, but what you choose to do with that energy is up to you. The process is successful because everything in the universe understands and operates perfectly through sound frequency.

    When a person asks a question, the actual question or combination of words holds a certain frequency. The answer to that question has a frequency that resonates with the frequency of that question. So at the soul level or the subconscious level the person is choosing the answer that best resonates with the frequency of the question that they asked. How does one know which card resonates with their question? They feel it. They sense it. Just like one senses danger around a criminal or safety when near a saint. Our souls are continually picking up and putting out sound frequencies that are deciphered at the level of the soul.

    Lenormand decks are awesome, but how they work actually still baffle me to this day!

    -joy
     
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    I have been looking at the wrong thing. I did an image search but the image I looked at wasn't a Lenormand deck. I'll look into this more - there seem to be so many beautiful designs.
     
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    Joy, should we interpret that word frequency literally or metaphorically?

    My hunch would be that this isn't something that can be measured in cycles per second, but that it is perhaps something analogous in that it has a huge range of 'values' and that very similar 'psychic frequencies' can interact, just as things vibrating at very similar frequencies can interact.

    Don't forget that we have lots of people here with a physical/engineering background - including yourself!

    David
     
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  6. Mediochre

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    It sounded like fear was what made you make a good choice in your story about your ex.
     
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    Yes, it has an interesting method to readings! Let me know what you think.
     
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    Hi David... It is hard to say, maybe there is an exact measurement for these spiritual frequencies that we have yet discovered how to measure... and in our effort to do so, we use the tools and systems we currently have. so for right now i would say there is a range of values that have certain common energy signatures that attract people, answers, and what not to each other.
     
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    Yes... my fear definitely trumped my hate towards him in that moment. But there are so many people out there who reach that low point where they don't care about their own lives nor the lives of others... they just want to "win" or get what they desire at any costs.... it is a heavy hearted world at times...
     
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    Hi Joy Lin and Brian the Bard,

    What gets me with tarot/lenormand/whatever, is that, regardless of how you read them, cards put through a randomizing process (shuffling) come up with a useful selection of symbols. Symbols seemingly specifically tailored to the situation/question, at least sometimes. This seems to be true whether the reader uses the cards with fixed meanings or as triggers for psychic riffing.

    Joy, I hear what you're saying about matching vibrations attracting each other..... but when you've got random processes at play like shuffling, I like the idea of our consciousness acting as a 'strange attractor'..... giving a point towards which random/chaotic systems move and coalesce .

    All the best,
    Dev.
    P.S. Brian : here's an informative interview on Lenormand.
     
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    Hi dpdownsouth

    I have had this impression myself.

    Thank you - that is informative.
     
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    From what I understand you say you have spirit guides. Guides as in plural. I often hear people switch back and forth between connecting to "spirit" and talking to their "spirit guides" when discussing mediumship.

    So here's a question. Are these guides individual people with individual names, personalities and motives?

    If so, what is their collective motive for wanting to help you? What do they get out of it? Why do they help you be a medium instead of helping you do something else?


    What's the story with your guides?
     
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    I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in God. As a non-believer, death is a finality.

    Accordingly, through the years I've dismissed strange experiences as coincidences, phantosmia, hypnagogic hallucinations, or non-convulsive seizure activity. But more and more I'm experiencing things that defy any logical place in my box of dismissals.

    I now find science has glaring deficiencies in that it strictly limits itself to observations and attributes of matter. Sure observation of the observable gives us understanding. It even gives us some degree of "precognition." We can "predict" the life cycles of plants and animals; "predict" weather based on seasons; "predict" celestial events based on astronomical phenomena.

    But basing our understanding of life on the observable lends itself to ignoring everything happening in our non-observable universe. What of consciousness with all of its manifestations? We cannot observe reason, emotion, imagination, morality, and knowledge, but would anyone deny their existence?

    On the other end of the spectrum is spirituality. But I find it difficult to wrap my head around some concepts such as astrology and tarot cards. How can the position of the stars, ancient light that may or may not even exist now given time and distance, influence the here and now? How can randomly selected man-made cards be a projection of life?

    Yet I'm confronted with experiences that need some explanation. Experiences that leave me wondering not just what it is, but also what I am. Seemingly random thoughts and images with startling clarity, yet disconnected to a purpose, pop in my head.

    I don't understand how I can just "know" some specific details about people who I'm just vaguely acquainted with or who are outright strangers.

    I find it unsettling when a complex sequence of coincidences reveals eerie similarities between my thoughts and images to people unknown to me.

    I meditate. While meditating I see the darkness. I hear my breathe. I consciously pull my thoughts back to my breathing as it slips about, here and there. Meditation on May 12 was like any other day of meditation. Slippery thoughts about baking, dutifully pull back to concentration of breathe. Then in the darkness a woman's hand appears.

    The image is like a photograph. The skin complexion is dark, like someone from a South Asian country. The nails are filed to a point; the nail polish is dark.

    Then a ring appears on the hand. It is a long oval shape. The stone is a bright turquoise color. I think to myself, "turquoise." Then the strong sense, "no, blue like turquoise, but not a turquoise stone."

    I sense very strongly that this woman has been burned. I think, "this cannot be; her hand is not burned. This woman cannot be burned." But the feeling comes back stronger: "yes, this woman has been burned." I feel confused; I don't understand since her hand is not burned.

    I see her in full. Her hair is long, well below her shoulders. It's dark and coarse. Everything is clear except her face. Her face is so heavily shadowed over, so I cannot see any features. She wears a sari. I see it very clearly I think, "yellow sari with black scroll work. Then the sense, "no, not yellow, saffron."

    I sense this is for her daughter. I think, "ok, I understand this is for your daughter." Then I sense, it is daughter(s).

    I say I need a name. I hear the word, but I can't make it out. I say I'm sorry, but I can't pronounce it. Several times the word is conveyed, each time I apologize for not being able to pronounce it. Then the sounds come in letter form: M-A-J.

    But as I try to grasp the name, I begin to feel her grief. It swells in me. It is a deep inconsolable grief. So deep my head goes back as I cry out in pain. I open my eyes and the image is gone. But her grief lingers in me.

    This was a message, but I did not know to whom I was suppose to deliver it to. I do not know anyone from India or a South Asian country. I do not know any one who has family in that area of the world.

    But the grief I felt was so deep, so real, I felt I needed to preserve the details until I could determine who I was suppose to tell this experience to. I wrote the details down with time and date.

    On May 24th, I was in the kitchen cleaning up after making a batch of cupcakes. At the kitchen sink I felt a strange chill sensation run through the right side of me. I sensed a strong presence behind me--so strong I turn around startled and call out, "who's there?"

    It's a galley kitchen, sink and dishwasher against one wall; counter, stove, and refrigerator along the opposite wall. I stepped over to the kitchen counter. In my peripheral vision, I saw a slight movement as a loud rush of sound filled the air. I turned toward the window to see a massive branch of a giant oak tree slowly crash to the ground. The branch is massive; as thick in diameter as a large tree, and as wide as a house. I was so shaken, I texted my sister.

    During the text conversation I relayed a couple of other unexplained events--NOT the vision I mentioned above, but two other events in which visions came to me that proved accurate. As a nonbeliever my sister challenged and discounted everything. Our text conversation then ended abruptly when she suddenly stopped responding.

    My sister called me a couple of hours later. She said our text conversation ended abruptly because she was with a friend. I've never met this friend. But some months ago my sister mentioned the friend in relationship to her friend's family pet. That's the only time my sister every spoke to me about this friend, and the only connection I have to her friend.

    She told her friend about my visions. I'm sure my sister told her I was screwy spiritualist type who believes in ghosts because she said her friend's response was to tell her that spiritualism can run very deep in believers. She said her friend then told her about someone very close to her who was deeply spiritual.

    Without any knowledge of the vision I had two weeks earlier, my sister retold a story that was a reflection of my vision.

    My vision was of a woman.

    Her friend's story is about a woman.


    The woman in my vision had a daughter or daughters.

    Her friend is the daughter of the woman central to the story


    The woman in my vision was of a specific nationality (denoted by the ethnicity of her dress)

    My sister started her recital of the story by stating the friend is from a South Asian country.


    The woman in my vision had died

    The woman in her friend's story had died


    The woman in my vision was overcome by a deep grief

    The woman in the story took her life because she was overcome by a grief so deep and felt she could not go forward in life


    The woman in my vision had been burned

    The woman in the story took her life by setting herself on fire


    I interrupted my sister, telling her to stop because all of what she was saying was freaking me out. I told my sister about my vision. I emailed her the notes I wrote two weeks earlier.

    My sister agrees that the details in her friend's story align with my vision. But she does not want me to meet her friend. She believes it will only be upsetting to her friend. I understand that--and I'm fine with my sister's decision.

    Later my sister texted me with one last detail. The woman was Buddhist. Instead of being laid to rest in Buddhist ceremony, she was laid to rest in accordance to Hindu funeral rites. The reason being is the woman had a vision of being sweep up by the Hindu God of Fire. Concerned about her peace, the family consulted a Buddhist monk; all agreed it was best to lay her to rest in accordance with Hindu burial rites, insisted of Buddhist rites.

    I mentioned the woman in my vision wore a yellow sari with black scroll work. When I acknowledged the sari as yellow, she corrected me: "saffron". After learning about the Hindu burial, I looked up the meaning of the color of yellow in Hindu. On the site I looked at, yellow is listed as saffron. In Hindu "saffron." is the most sacred of colors. It represents Fire and Purity; fire burns away all impurities.

    Later my sister texted to say if my vision was about her friend's mother, she should have appeared in a red sari, the traditional color for i saris. I disagreed given the woman's vision of the Hindu Fire God, way of death, and Hindu burial rites. But I'll give that detail to my sister and the skeptics. Even without that detail, there's enough similarities to convince me my vision was about this woman.

    Still I feel uneasy with how this ended. This is not an isolated experience for me. Aside from not knowing what this is, but these experiences challenge my understanding of my world and of myself.

    In this particular experience, there's the unsettling feeling associated with the power of this force. The catalyst for my contacting my sister was the strange physical sensation I experienced, followed by the sudden splintering of that massive oak tree branch. I was with my sister for hours the weekend before. During that time it never occurred to me to discuss the spiritual aspects of my life. Had I not felt a presence, had the giant oak tree not splintered, I would not have contacted my sister.

    The catalyst and timing of my disclosures about psychic events culminated with my non-believer sister being in the company of this particular friend. My sister then felt compelled to tell her friend about me. In doing so, her friend discloses personal details of her life; in turn, my sister feels compelled to tell me those details. My sister was in her car driving home when she called and relayed her friend's story to me. So clearly she felt a strong need to convey that story to me immediately after leaving her friend's house.

    I feel there are some very powerful forces in play here. It's not just the accuracy of my vision, the complexity of circumstances to connect my sister, her friend, and me, but the fact that the neighbor's tree was destroyed to make me contact my sister. The massive tree branch is still sitting out there. I see it from my living room and kitchen windows. That was a mighty force. It frightens me.
     
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  14. joy lin

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    Hi there, apologies for the late LATE reply, I have been traveling for the winter here in Australia.
    In my experience, guides in some cases have been human so yes, they have their own names, personalities and what not. As far as I am aware of, their motive to is guide you and help you grow in your soul journey. What do they get out of it? As far as I know, they are also soul beings learning and growing if you want to call it towards, enlightenment or going back to source. And part of their process to grow is to help others, in which case, where we come in.
     
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