Jurgen Ziewe is bringing Virtual Reality to the Spiritual Experience |465|
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That's it... but I would add, because I do it now, while alive... I experience these extended realities now. What I was complaining about was the one tied to physicality tied to this planet at this time. I am able to get to the buddhic plane and "feel the unity" and rest in the bliss and then, at some point, I allow my attention to pull me back into focusing on here (Earth in the physical in the now) and though I still have that sense of ultimate bliss I haven't lost my mind that this place is reveling in bliss (a subjective opinion).
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Yes, it is taking in and taking on the woes of others and of the world situation that bedevils an empath.
What country do you live in, David? For me, I think it was the debate which wasn't a debate but a mockery that has shocked me into a dark night.
I have been here before, and I always come out the other side.
Thanks for your reply and reminder of better conditions beyond this plane.
What country do you live in, David? For me, I think it was the debate which wasn't a debate but a mockery that has shocked me into a dark night.
I have been here before, and I always come out the other side.
Thanks for your reply and reminder of better conditions beyond this plane.
I wish you would write less cryptically.
Are you talking about the election debate?
I am a UK citizen, but follow the US election closely because I think President Trump is more likely to maintain world peace that whoever would end up controlling Biden.
By "been here" do you mean been on this forum, or are you perhaps saying that you have been reincarnated before?
David
Are you talking about the election debate?
I am a UK citizen, but follow the US election closely because I think President Trump is more likely to maintain world peace that whoever would end up controlling Biden.
By "been here" do you mean been on this forum, or are you perhaps saying that you have been reincarnated before?
David
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I just found this hilarious spoof and it restored the fire in my belly:
https://consentfactory.org/2020/03/18/covid-19-global-lockdown/
Alex, please note the reference to skepticism.
Everyone, be sure to read the "About" page for more belly laughs.
Oh how I needed this!
https://consentfactory.org/2020/03/18/covid-19-global-lockdown/
Alex, please note the reference to skepticism.
Everyone, be sure to read the "About" page for more belly laughs.
Oh how I needed this!
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I didn't see much of the debate, but Trump has my support because I like a lot of what he has achieved in office. He doesn't talk in the same way as a typical politician, and the US only has the choice between those two.
I do think Trummp should explain his policies a bit more. I mean he should point out that shutting down the whole economy for a indeterminate amount of time just isn't really practical - even if it would save lives - which is less than clear.
Does all this relate much to Jurgen Ziewe?
David
I do think Trummp should explain his policies a bit more. I mean he should point out that shutting down the whole economy for a indeterminate amount of time just isn't really practical - even if it would save lives - which is less than clear.
Does all this relate much to Jurgen Ziewe?
David
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I wish you had seen more of the debate. It was truly embarrassing and may well have cost Trump the election.
I believe the recent discussion does relate to Jurgen, esp his views on evil (which is why Alex had him on I think). Take a look at
350. Jurgen Ziewe - Buddha at the Gas Pump
https://batgap.com/jurgen-ziewe/ https://batgap.com/jurgen-ziewe/
download option: https://batgap.com/audio/350_jurgen_ziewe.mp3
I believe the recent discussion does relate to Jurgen, esp his views on evil (which is why Alex had him on I think). Take a look at
350. Jurgen Ziewe - Buddha at the Gas Pump
https://batgap.com/jurgen-ziewe/ https://batgap.com/jurgen-ziewe/
download option: https://batgap.com/audio/350_jurgen_ziewe.mp3
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Another excellent interview!
Jurgen Ziewe's out-of-body journeys mirror my experiences with journeying with ayahuasca. I had a similar experience of traveling through levels of increasing darkness to the depths of hell. It was similar to what he describes. And the way out was also similar. That may be a better media than virtual reality for systematizing these experiences.
Your riff on people meeting Jesus and confusing that with validating Christianity is spot on. In the early 1980s when I was living in Bethlehem, I had an epiphany of Jesus. As a Jewish man living in Occupied Palestine, I was not looking for Him. However, there we was. I learned two things from him that night. One was that his spirit is real. Two was that the last thing he ever had in mind was to start a church. I agree, Alex, that religion is designed to disconnect people from these realms of extended consciousness. Science has the same preoccupation. The former does it by introducing priests as intermediaries. The latter gave us the dead universe.
Jurgen Ziewe's out-of-body journeys mirror my experiences with journeying with ayahuasca. I had a similar experience of traveling through levels of increasing darkness to the depths of hell. It was similar to what he describes. And the way out was also similar. That may be a better media than virtual reality for systematizing these experiences.
Your riff on people meeting Jesus and confusing that with validating Christianity is spot on. In the early 1980s when I was living in Bethlehem, I had an epiphany of Jesus. As a Jewish man living in Occupied Palestine, I was not looking for Him. However, there we was. I learned two things from him that night. One was that his spirit is real. Two was that the last thing he ever had in mind was to start a church. I agree, Alex, that religion is designed to disconnect people from these realms of extended consciousness. Science has the same preoccupation. The former does it by introducing priests as intermediaries. The latter gave us the dead universe.
One aspect of Jurgen Ziewe's descriptions of his time in Dante's Inferno with the suicide bombers that stood out for me is that he did not examine how this fits in the context of inherited trauma. As a German of the Boomer generation, my first question is what were his family's experiences during the War? Did his father or grandfather participate in the Holocaust? The Arabs he identified as 9/11 suicide bombers may have been mirrors of scenes from Concentration Camps.
I do a lot of work with descendants of Jewish victims and German perpetrators of the Holocaust. I have encountered Josef Mengele twice over the years. The first time was several years ago when I worked with a great-granddaughter of his. She was Norwegian. Her grandfather was the son of Mengele and a Norwegian woman who was his concubine in the late 1930s. She was wracked with images from the camps and his torture of children. More recently, I worked with a man who claim that his soul was twinned with Mengele's. Mengele was a physician and as pure evil as a person can be. This work presented the opportunity to explore the question of how Evil moves in the realms of extended consciousness.
I do a lot of work with descendants of Jewish victims and German perpetrators of the Holocaust. I have encountered Josef Mengele twice over the years. The first time was several years ago when I worked with a great-granddaughter of his. She was Norwegian. Her grandfather was the son of Mengele and a Norwegian woman who was his concubine in the late 1930s. She was wracked with images from the camps and his torture of children. More recently, I worked with a man who claim that his soul was twinned with Mengele's. Mengele was a physician and as pure evil as a person can be. This work presented the opportunity to explore the question of how Evil moves in the realms of extended consciousness.
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If you explore his other interviews and work, you'll find he pretty much lives in an extraordinary state. He goes into samadhi frequently when he meditates. And in his ordinary life he lives in a state of what he calls seeing "behind" matter to the bliss hiding there. This is fascinating b/c Plato perceived matter negatively (his divine craftsman had to work around it / could not recreate the beauty of the Forms fully on this plane.) This view has carried through all these millennia to mystics like Andrew Harvey. But not to Jurgen.
This gives me hope as our reality becomes more and more dystopic
This gives me hope as our reality becomes more and more dystopic
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It's because folks like this discover we exist in all those zones simultaneously and the trick is to adjust your operational consciousness focus to that plane. It sounds like Jurgen Ziewe has done this in regards to the nirvanic plane (as a Theosophist would call it) - http://www.theosophynirvana.walestheosophy.org.uk/anniebesantancientwisdom.htm