Kevin Annett, On the Nature of Evil |439|

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Kevin Annett, On the Nature of Evil |439|
by Alex Tsakiris | Feb 4 | Spirituality
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Kevin Annett returns to discuss the nature of evil and the extended consciousness realm.
photo by: Skeptiko
I have an interview coming up with Kevin Annett, it’s actually a second interview, but I had to go back to Kevin and ask a couple more questions about evil.
Here are some clips.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:12] And even in preparing for this interview, I have to say, these doubts started creeping in again and I had to go back and had to go and kind of start from ground zero.
It’s part of the whole system of how this is hidden, isn’t it? I mean, the whole discrediting of people without much, really evidence to discredit them?

Kevin Annett: [00:00:33] Well, yeah, they always say, the bigger the crime, the bigger the cover up and the main cover up begins in our own minds. We don’t have to be told not to read something or listen to somebody, our own fear or conditioning shuts that off before the sensor comes in to do it.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:49] I just took something really simple that I remembered you said first time around and that’s that you name names, but you go to the “Truth and Reconciliation Committee,” and the first clause, the first edict is, we will not name names, we will not subpoena, we will not… and it just is so stark.
You want to start talking about these kinds of crimes under the umbrella of religion, it forces them to confront the possibility that these deep beliefs that they have may not hold up to the kind of careful examination.

Kevin Annett: [00:01:33] In psychology, when you’re in a state of dissociation, you cannot connect your own behavior with the world around you, you live in a bubble world. I remember talking to a survivor of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City doing exactly the same crimes against their children that the Catholics do, and this woman said, when she was a girl, she used to be excited when her dad would come home. She’d stand at the door waiting for him, then he’d take her off on rape her in the bedroom. But she was always excited to see him. To me, that’s by analogy what we’re dealing with, because these religions have been covers and masks for the worst crimes in human history and yet people get in bed with them all the time thinking there’s something else.
So, it’s a very difficult thing to look at our own conditioning and our own complicity in these crimes, but we all are complicit in some way or another.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:22] On the other hand, as your life work just dramatically screams out is, we do feel a certain drive to, at the very least, expose this evil.
Kevin Annett: [00:02:35] Absolutely, but it’s not the bastards I’m stopping, it’s the thing that possesses them, which also possesses me. After World War II, Robert Jackson, he was the Chief American Prosecutor at Nuremberg, her had put all of the top Nazis on trial, prosecuted them. He was speaking at a Jewish synagogue in Brooklyn, he said, “The SS were no different than you or I, if you put us in the same circumstance, we could have done exactly what they did.”
Any whistleblower faces the same dilemma? It doesn’t matter if you’re vindicated, it doesn’t matter if they say, “Look, Kevin Annett’s been proven true, Canada’s admitted to genocide.” You’re always blacklisted, it never lifts. No one wants to be around somebody who’s been a whistleblower because they might do it again.
 
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what is our moral responsibility to stand up to what we see as evil? And at what point do we become complicit if we don’t stand up to it?

I'm reminded by these questions of the familiar expression,
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
~Edmond Burke
You have to wonder what could possess the Roman Catholic church to do the awful things to children that Kevin tells us about. Another common expression comes to mind: "Idle hands are the devil's playthings." Would it be so radical to propose that all Catholic priests learn basic carpentry skills as part of their seminary instruction. Churches always need maintenance to their pews, kneelers, etc. Jesus was a Carpenter.
 
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https://aptnnews.ca/2012/10/15/aptn-investigates-unmarked-graves-part-1/

https://aptnnews.ca/tag/unmarked-graves/

Anti-Catholic? Anti-Western? Well, this certainly fits our cultural prejudices in North America.

It is our own preconceived bias and prejudices like this that lends credibility to these conspiracy theories to begin with. My only point is that in any trip down the rabbit hole, we should begin by paying more attention to our own presumed bias, than the confirmation for our bias that we expect to find there – because that’s all we’re going to find at the end of the rabbit hole.

This show is an interesting study of Western guilt - a bias against ourselves in the West, which informs so much of our religion, science, politics and culture. This is also an interesting study on how a false presumption of our original sin of just being human - like white, or Western, or carbon producers, etc. - can be exploited by some looking to shake out some spare change.
 
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This show is an interesting study of Western guilt - a bias against ourselves in the West, which informs so much of our religion, science, politics and culture.
Perhaps you should explore the Trump consciousness thread!
Unfortunately Catholicism at least has done terrible things in its past - not least the sexual abuse of children by some of its priests - an abuse that was actually covered up the the church itself. The Catholic Church has become almost synonymous with sexual abuse of kids - in Ireland, the USA, Australia, to name but a few places.

The really staggering thing to me, is that at least the priests who behaved like that and the ones that covered it up must have had no faith at all - just been totally cynical - and yet continued in their job condemning others for such 'sins' as sex before marriage.

David
 
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I have so much to say, but I'll put it this way: living in the Philippines for almost 4 years has shown me how much of what Kevin talks about is correct. You can't even begin to discuss the abuses of the W.O.B. (Whore of Babylon - my preferred name for the Catholic Church because Catholic means universal & the evil that the WOB is involved in is NOT universal to humanity) in the Philippines without an immediate effort to explain away the harm as just a fluke perpetrated by a few fringe types or as "an American problem" that the Php doesn't have. The brainwashing that is infamously well known by anyone familiar w/ WOB members is just the tip of the iceberg. The dissociation Kevin describes is a standard operating state here. For instance, the Php is quite proud of not allowing legal abortions (although I'm sure the rich get them on demand), yet a doctor let a woman & her child die because her family could not afford to pay for a Cesarean section, according to a friend of mine whose wife was having a baby in the same hospital. A college teacher described herself as broad-minded to me, but couldn't bring herself to discuss the fact that the WOB banned the teaching of reincarnation in 553 A.D. As Kevin said, Christendom destroyed not only the core teachings of Christ, but the essentials of the reality of our very existence, that we die & are free to come back to improve ourselves, not roast in Hell or float around bored on a cloud in Heaven,
 
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what is our moral responsibility to stand up to what we see as evil? And at what point do we become complicit if we don’t stand up to it?

I'm reminded by these questions of the familiar expression,
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
~Edmond Burke
You have to wonder what could possess the Roman Catholic church to do the awful things to children that Kevin tells us about. Another common expression comes to mind: "Idle hands are the devil's playthings." Would it be so radical to propose that all Catholic priests learn basic carpentry skills as part of their seminary instruction. Churches always need maintenance to their pews, kneelers, etc. Jesus was a Carpenter.
so what do you think Christians should do about this?
 
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https://aptnnews.ca/2012/10/15/aptn-investigates-unmarked-graves-part-1/

https://aptnnews.ca/tag/unmarked-graves/

Anti-Catholic? Anti-Western? Well, this certainly fits our cultural prejudices in North America.

It is our own preconceived bias and prejudices like this that lends credibility to these conspiracy theories to begin with. My only point is that in any trip down the rabbit hole, we should begin by paying more attention to our own presumed bias, than the confirmation for our bias that we expect to find there – because that’s all we’re going to find at the end of the rabbit hole.

This show is an interesting study of Western guilt - a bias against ourselves in the West, which informs so much of our religion, science, politics and culture. This is also an interesting study on how a false presumption of our original sin of just being human - like white, or Western, or carbon producers, etc. - can be exploited by some looking to shake out some spare change.
I'm on it :) have asked Kevin to respond.
 
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On this topic of “Western guilt”; I think it could/should be rebranded as “human guilt.” Since the dawn of time men have been killing and exploiting each other. White people, black people, purple people, pink people, men, women etc. The natives were killing each other over hunting grounds and the Aztecs were killing and enslaving other Central American tribes before whitey came over. African tribes were killing and subjugating each other before the slave trade. What happened was that Europeans developed technology that allowed them to be more efficient at it so they were able to bring their brand of it overseas. And we’re still dealing with the fallout of it because we’re still experiencing the consequences of it and so it’s right in our faces. That’s why the Western version is currently at the forefront. And it should be talked about and dealt with, because it IS wrong. But it’s not unique to white people or Westerners.
 
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I am not able to get either of these links to work--I just get "oops! try again later." Can someone pls tell me what they are about / their relation to "Western guilt?"
I wasn't responding to the western guilt thing but wanted to follow up on the guy who said that he didn't find any human remains.
 
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Wow - that was a far more interesting interview than the Kevin's previous one, but of course, this interview used the previous one as a basis for what was discussed. It would be really good if Kevin were to join us here for a while.

Here are some observations:

1) I think that your point about some science getting tangled with experiential data was right to the point, and Kevin didn't seem to get what you were saying. Of course, this actually extends to all all science, because every bit of scientific data ultimately makes its mark via someone's brain. Even if the data is absorbed into a computer, the output of that computer ultimately provides data for a brain experience.

2) I too felt your desire to push back somewhat on the idea of this being a special time. I am sure many people felt the same during WWII, and the French revolution. I felt it was a special time during the build-up to the Cuban Missile Crisis, etc.

3) I think Kevin would do well to avoid arguments based on science. I didn't like his argument that 90% of the universe is unknown (a fairly dubious idea anyway) applies to people. Far too many weird, unproven ideas have crept into modern science - dark matter, wormholes, black holes (perhaps), ... - and basing philosophical ideas on this stuff is very dodgy.

4) I like the idea that the Romans killed Jesus and replaced him by a fake!

David
 
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Excellent podcast! There are so many ideas to consider. The Mormons/LDS were mentioned a couple of times in regard to some evil perpetuated there. I'm curious to know more about this. Can anyone point me to some credible sources?

And how do we get to the bottom of these conspiracies that appear to be run by an entire religion, church, or government, when it's more likely that there is only a faction of individuals within who use the organization as a vehicle for their evil. In other words, there are good, honest and truly clueless people all the way up to the top of the organizations.
 
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Kevin's response:
Hi Alex. Those smears are old hat and consist of the usual misinformed distortions. One has to know the history of all this work to understand what's going on. Since the knowledge and remembrance of our campaign has been swabbed from public memory, reminders are needed:

First of all, the so called "aboriginal peoples tv network" (APTN) is a government run media operation with aboriginal front people. It's a wing of the CBC and continually spouts the government line. For years it refused to report any of the crimes in residential schools, and only began to do so when the government issued the official spin in 2008.

As for the news item you cite, APTN never covered the dig at the Brantford residential school while it was happening, despite the dig being initiated and led by ten Mohawk elders who invited me in o assist them. I have their endrosements of me on video and signed document. Bill and Cheryl Squire, two of the elders, actually opened the ground on the graves and led the dig. Even though forensic specialists identified bones from our excavation as being from children, that was never reported by any Canadian media, including APTN. But the latter jumped in to lead the attack on me personally once the state-funded chiefs at Brantford were ordered to turn on us and shut down the dig.

As for the other link you send, the Tyee, once again the person making these allegations never had any contact with me or our campaign. It's all just name calling, misinformed opinion and innuendo. The Tyee never covered any of the crimes we were unearthing but, like APTN, jumped on the bandwagon once it became safe to do so. The Tyee receives funding from the United and Anglican churches, so gee, I wonder what they're going to say about Kevin Annett?

What people don't realize by taking those attacks on me seriously is that they're part of a classic "Controversializing" black ops method to make the messenger the issue, not the facts and truth he's unearthed. The RCMP began that black ops campaign on me in the summer of 1998 during our first tribunal. None of the hard evidence I've unearthed over 25 years has ever been refuted or disproven with counter evidence. Nor have I ever been sued for libel or slander in court. Instead, I'm just attacked personally. What does that tell you?

The truth is that I've been proven right on every major claim I've made; even the prime minister is using the word "genocide" now. Yesterday a Victoria BC newspaper reported what I first did in 2008: they reprinted the names of children who'd died in west coast Indian schools, the same same names I surfaced a dozen or more years ago but which everyone ignored. But still I've received no official acknowledgement. Why? because the crimes I've unearthed are still going on and the cover up by the criminals is continuing, thanks to front agencies like Tyee and APTN.

The best thing for people to do is to learn the real history and evidence in my books, below, and at www.murderbydecree.com . But that requires more than a 3 second sound byte mentality.

Kevin Annett
 
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Kevin's response:
Hi Alex. Those smears are old hat and consist of the usual misinformed distortions. One has to know the history of all this work to understand what's going on. Since the knowledge and remembrance of our campaign has been swabbed from public memory, reminders are needed:

First of all, the so called "aboriginal peoples tv network" (APTN) is a government run media operation with aboriginal front people. It's a wing of the CBC and continually spouts the government line. For years it refused to report any of the crimes in residential schools, and only began to do so when the government issued the official spin in 2008.

As for the news item you cite, APTN never covered the dig at the Brantford residential school while it was happening, despite the dig being initiated and led by ten Mohawk elders who invited me in o assist them. I have their endrosements of me on video and signed document. Bill and Cheryl Squire, two of the elders, actually opened the ground on the graves and led the dig. Even though forensic specialists identified bones from our excavation as being from children, that was never reported by any Canadian media, including APTN. But the latter jumped in to lead the attack on me personally once the state-funded chiefs at Brantford were ordered to turn on us and shut down the dig.

As for the other link you send, the Tyee, once again the person making these allegations never had any contact with me or our campaign. It's all just name calling, misinformed opinion and innuendo. The Tyee never covered any of the crimes we were unearthing but, like APTN, jumped on the bandwagon once it became safe to do so. The Tyee receives funding from the United and Anglican churches, so gee, I wonder what they're going to say about Kevin Annett?

What people don't realize by taking those attacks on me seriously is that they're part of a classic "Controversializing" black ops method to make the messenger the issue, not the facts and truth he's unearthed. The RCMP began that black ops campaign on me in the summer of 1998 during our first tribunal. None of the hard evidence I've unearthed over 25 years has ever been refuted or disproven with counter evidence. Nor have I ever been sued for libel or slander in court. Instead, I'm just attacked personally. What does that tell you?

The truth is that I've been proven right on every major claim I've made; even the prime minister is using the word "genocide" now. Yesterday a Victoria BC newspaper reported what I first did in 2008: they reprinted the names of children who'd died in west coast Indian schools, the same same names I surfaced a dozen or more years ago but which everyone ignored. But still I've received no official acknowledgement. Why? because the crimes I've unearthed are still going on and the cover up by the criminals is continuing, thanks to front agencies like Tyee and APTN.

The best thing for people to do is to learn the real history and evidence in my books, below, and at www.murderbydecree.com . But that requires more than a 3 second sound byte mentality.

Kevin Annett
wow... I could go on for a long time about this topic... I mean, who are we supposed to believe? how are we supposed to separate real truth-tellers / whistleblowers from attention-seekers? I hope this thread might turn into somewhat of a laboratory for this topic because there are so many little tricks that are at play here (at least IMO).

let's start with the big one -- I asked Kevin to respond to these detractors, and even though a lot of this stuff is 15 years old he's answered it dozens and dozens of times he didn't hesitate --that's what truth-tellers do!
 
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let me add a little more context to some of the comments I made early on in this episode. from murderbydecree.com:
Canada's “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” (TRC) was a rapid in-house response by church and state designed to present their own self-serving narrative of their Indian residential schools crimes. It 7 was by any objective standard an elaborate misrepresentation of a monumental crime.

For one thing, the TRC was created by the same institutions of church and state that were responsible for the residential school crimes being investigated; this fact alone disqualified the TRC from the outset as any neutral or credible body.

Indeed, the TRC only commenced its work after both institutions had legally indemnified themselves from any liability for those crimes: a maneuver that constituted an obstruction of justice under the law.

The government's formal announcement of the TRC in June of 2008 was triggered prematurely by a series of widely reported church occupations led by residential school survivors early in 2008, followed quickly by a call from a Member of Parliament for an inquiry into missing residential school children. These events forced the government to announce the TRC as part of a general residential schools “apology” issued by Prime Minister Stephen Harper on June 11, 2008. The protests and Parliamentary exposure concerning the missing residential school children that prompted this premature announcement of the TRC had embarrassed the government and caused the churches responsible for much of the crime to panic, and insist on exerting oversight of the TRC. This in turn caused the TRC to operate in a blatantly controlled and partisan manner from its inception. The Catholic, Anglican and United churches actually nominated all three of the TRC commissioners, who were in turn approved by the government’s Privy Council in Ottawa. Ironically but not surprisingly, this tag team action by the perpetrators represented the same kind of power sharing arrangement that characterized the Indian residential school system.

Similarly, the church and government lawyers who constructed the TRC mandate framed it as a legally toothless body whose findings could not be used to judge or convict any person or group (read, church), and whose records were censored to exclude any evidence of criminal acts or deaths in the residential schools. The mandate even declared that the TRC “shall not hold formal hearings, nor act as a public inquiry … and shall not name names in their events ...” So then, since the TRC denied that it was an inquiry, what in fact was it?

In the words of a visiting South African scholar who observed three separate TRC public events during 2011 and 2o12, 8 “It was all an enormous pretense with very little substance to it. Its so-called 'public forums' were controlled events featuring stage-managed speakers, and were structured to prevent any damaging testimony from surfacing. I never once heard a child’s death or torture even being mentioned. It was remarkable how easily the government pulled off what was such an obvious whitewash. To compare it to the South African TRC is laughable.” (Dr. Neil Kruger, from an April 12, 2013 interview with Kevin Annett)
 
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let me add a little more context to some of the comments I made early on in this episode. from murderbydecree.com:
Canada's “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” (TRC) was a rapid in-house response by church and state designed to present their own self-serving narrative of their Indian residential schools crimes. It 7 was by any objective standard an elaborate misrepresentation of a monumental crime.

For one thing, the TRC was created by the same institutions of church and state that were responsible for the residential school crimes being investigated; this fact alone disqualified the TRC from the outset as any neutral or credible body.

Indeed, the TRC only commenced its work after both institutions had legally indemnified themselves from any liability for those crimes: a maneuver that constituted an obstruction of justice under the law.

The government's formal announcement of the TRC in June of 2008 was triggered prematurely by a series of widely reported church occupations led by residential school survivors early in 2008, followed quickly by a call from a Member of Parliament for an inquiry into missing residential school children. These events forced the government to announce the TRC as part of a general residential schools “apology” issued by Prime Minister Stephen Harper on June 11, 2008. The protests and Parliamentary exposure concerning the missing residential school children that prompted this premature announcement of the TRC had embarrassed the government and caused the churches responsible for much of the crime to panic, and insist on exerting oversight of the TRC. This in turn caused the TRC to operate in a blatantly controlled and partisan manner from its inception. The Catholic, Anglican and United churches actually nominated all three of the TRC commissioners, who were in turn approved by the government’s Privy Council in Ottawa. Ironically but not surprisingly, this tag team action by the perpetrators represented the same kind of power sharing arrangement that characterized the Indian residential school system.

Similarly, the church and government lawyers who constructed the TRC mandate framed it as a legally toothless body whose findings could not be used to judge or convict any person or group (read, church), and whose records were censored to exclude any evidence of criminal acts or deaths in the residential schools. The mandate even declared that the TRC “shall not hold formal hearings, nor act as a public inquiry … and shall not name names in their events ...” So then, since the TRC denied that it was an inquiry, what in fact was it?

In the words of a visiting South African scholar who observed three separate TRC public events during 2011 and 2o12, 8 “It was all an enormous pretense with very little substance to it. Its so-called 'public forums' were controlled events featuring stage-managed speakers, and were structured to prevent any damaging testimony from surfacing. I never once heard a child’s death or torture even being mentioned. It was remarkable how easily the government pulled off what was such an obvious whitewash. To compare it to the South African TRC is laughable.” (Dr. Neil Kruger, from an April 12, 2013 interview with Kevin Annett)
one of the things that is amazing about this sleight-of-hand is they used the south african reconciliation process as a smokescreen to cover up their game. it took a while for this to sink in but what they're saying is we should treat a priest who sexually abused and then killed a child in a residential school in the 1980s the same way the south african government of nelson mandela choose to treat the police officers who had a long record of enforcing apartheid.

think about that for a minute... now, I'm not sure if we they should have let those police officers in south africa off the hook, maybe yes maybe no, but why the hell can't we go after the priest who raped and killed that kid in 1980? Why can't we name his name? Why can't we prosecute him to the full extent of the law? what possible reason could we have for not pursuing this legally? why would the pursuit of this justice interfere with "truth and reconciliation"? maybe because they never sought either... maybe it's all orchestrated in exactly the way kevin has claimed.
 
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so what do you think Christians should do about this?
That is a good question, Alex. I live near a small city in Canada where a lot of priests were being charged with molestation in the 1990's. Most were eventually aquitted but much doubt of their innocence remains. My first impulse in response to your question is to suggest that we who obey the Gospel flee the Roman Catholic church and let it die in it's sinfulness for our and our children's sake. Conversely, if it should wish to survive the new century, true Christians could compile a whole list of needed Church reforms but I doubt many of the old guard of the Church would remain to continue to work under them. Among other things manual labor is humbling. Another suggestion for Catholics might be to instead join the Lutheren Christian or United Christian Church. One need not forsake Jesus when thus repulsed by Roman Catholicism.
 
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On this topic of “Western guilt”; I think it could/should be rebranded as “human guilt.” .
I’m not catholic nor am I here to defend Catholicism, etc. but we simply do not recognize our own preconceived cultural bias.

My grandmother came from Ireland to Canada to be raised in one of these Catholic orphanages. The men on my Grandfathers side were in the US Calvary in Montana. Most of the original cowboys on the planes were Irish. Irish Catholics have always been well aware of the genocidal hatred of them for their religion, as well as race – they were considered a separate, inferior race by the English. My relatives escaped the ethnic cleansing going on in Ireland in the 1840s – this included food stolen from starving babies mouths at gunpoint by British soldiers – food grown by the Irish and stolen, shipped out of the country. Those relatives in Montana told us to never forget what had happened back home in Ireland.

However, one guy waves around what looks to be a dog’s bone (if it was really indigenous, this would be a desecration) and claims this as evidence for some supposed “genocide” of tens of thousands beginning at a time when most of central Canada was barely settled by Europeans. He tapes his writ to the church door like some modern-day Martin Luther - right under the nose of an Irish priest, one whose ancestors probably survived a REAL, WELL DOCUMENTED genocide. Talk about the irony. With upwards of 1.5 million liquidated and an entire country of Ireland depopulated, this has only now – 170 years later, admitted to be a “genocide”. Talk about your long-term “coverup”.

I know that no prejudice runs as deep as religion. Look at the Balkans in the 1990s or the Mideast today. But my advice is to stay away from the whole ancestral guilt and perpetual grievance reparations industry. This only serves to reopen old wounds and to keep us forever at each other’s throats - only for the benefit of a few opportunists.
 
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I’m not catholic nor am I here to defend Catholicism, etc. but we simply do not recognize our own preconceived cultural bias.

My grandmother came from Ireland to Canada to be raised in one of these Catholic orphanages. The men on my Grandfathers side were in the US Calvary in Montana. Most of the original cowboys on the planes were Irish. Irish Catholics have always been well aware of the genocidal hatred of them for their religion, as well as race – they were considered a separate, inferior race by the English. My relatives escaped the ethnic cleansing going on in Ireland in the 1840s – this included food stolen from starving babies mouths at gunpoint by British soldiers – food grown by the Irish and stolen, shipped out of the country. Those relatives in Montana told us to never forget what had happened back home in Ireland.

However, one guy waves around what looks to be a dog’s bone (if it was really indigenous, this would be a desecration) and claims this as evidence for some supposed “genocide” of tens of thousands beginning at a time when most of central Canada was barely settled by Europeans. He tapes his writ to the church door like some modern-day Martin Luther - right under the nose of an Irish priest, one whose ancestors probably survived a REAL, WELL DOCUMENTED genocide. Talk about the irony. With upwards of 1.5 million liquidated and an entire country of Ireland depopulated, this has only now – 170 years later, admitted to be a “genocide”. Talk about your long-term “coverup”.

I know that no prejudice runs as deep as religion. Look at the Balkans in the 1990s or the Mideast today.
Well look, I know serial child rape is less serious than child murder, but there has been an awful lot of that perpetrated by Catholic priests (and some by priests of other denominations).

https://www.thejournal.ie/papal-mass-phoenix-park-crowd-size-4202680-Aug2018/

The above link indicates that in Ireland the pope attracted a crowd of 2.7 million in 1979, and just 130,000 in 2018. That huge drop in support is almost the direct result of one sexual abuse scandal after another, after another. The fact that they were proved to have done that, makes me more willing to believe that they murdered too.
But my advice is to stay away from the whole ancestral guilt and perpetual grievance reparations industry. This only serves to reopen old wounds and to keep us forever at each other’s throats - only for the benefit of a few opportunists.
Obviously reparations cloud this issue and many others, but you sound a bit defensive with that remark.

David
 
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