Kevin Annett, Whistleblower of an Evil Church |433|

Yes, but I suppose the fault back then was that gays were hated for no reason (provided what they did was consensual and between adults), whereas with Epstein, that just doesn't apply.

My feeling is that each failed attempt to bring Trump down, is exposing more and more of the deep state actors. There is due to be something from the AG very soon, which should open things up even further. Maybe we will end up with an altogether cleaner form of government - fingers crossed.

David
I'd love to believe that this is possible but after reading the Whitley Webb articles I don't think it is. as far as Trump I just don't see any way to separate him from this. it seems to me that once someone is compromised in this way they wind up with the strange bedfellows kind of thing. a bigger problem for Trump is the fact that sexual blackmail seems to have always been in his Playbook given his relationship with Roy Cohn who was worst of the worst when it comes to this stuff.
 
I'd love to believe that this is possible but after reading the Whitley Webb articles I don't think it is. as far as Trump I just don't see any way to separate him from this. it seems to me that once someone is compromised in this way they wind up with the strange bedfellows kind of thing. a bigger problem for Trump is the fact that sexual blackmail seems to have always been in his Playbook given his relationship with Roy Cohn who was worst of the worst when it comes to this stuff.
Do you have a link for that?

If you know of a way to bring Trump down, I reckon you could contact Adam Schiff and name your sum!

David
 
Well I searched the full article and didn't find Trump. I had already assumed that the whole Epstein thing was organised by Mossad.

David
for me it's kind of a burden of proof thing... I mean, way too many ties between Trump, his "modeling agencies" his H1 visas his Palm Beach connection his New York partying connection his Roy Cohn connection... so the burden of proof shifts to him convincing us all that he's not another swamp monster
 
for me it's kind of a burden of proof thing... I mean, way too many ties between Trump, his "modeling agencies" his H1 visas his Palm Beach connection his New York partying connection his Roy Cohn connection... so the burden of proof shifts to him convincing us all that he's not another swamp monster
thanks Alex, in one fell swoop we are on the Napoleonic law code. What happened to innocent until proven. do you realize what you just said?
 
Alex, I thank you for pointing us the Webb sources. Another earlier 10 part Pizzagate series was written by the brilliant invesigative journalist Yoichi Shimatsu:

Yoichi Shimatsu's Stunning PizzaGate Series Concludes With More Staggering Revelations In Part 10

For some reason Shimatsu only publishes at rense.com, grrr. The first nine are found there, by scrolling down to Yoichi at the far left column titled Columnists.
excellent. Thanks
thanks Alex, in one fell swoop we are on the Napoleonic law code. What happened to innocent until proven. do you realize what you just said?
this is an interesting point. Because to me it's clear that the court of public opinion has always operated in this way. So yeah, I'm not saying we take to the streets with torches and string the guy up, only that we might not hold him in as high regard as we did before
 
excellent. Thanks

this is an interesting point. Because to me it's clear that the court of public opinion has always operated in this way. So yeah, I'm not saying we take to the streets with torches and string the guy up, only that we might not hold him in as high regard as we did before
that is fair enough. not liking Trump is personal.
 
for me it's kind of a burden of proof thing... I mean, way too many ties between Trump, his "modeling agencies" his H1 visas his Palm Beach connection his New York partying connection his Roy Cohn connection... so the burden of proof shifts to him convincing us all that he's not another swamp monster
Let's be clear. What we really abhor about the Epstein thing, and the men who took advantage of it, is that the girls were underage, and had been tricked in various ways into having sex with men who were strangers, and whom they did not love. I am sure Trump liked the company of much younger women - he obviously did - but most politicians seem to have much younger wives. The question is did he behave in the same way as Price Andrew in all probability did?

I think the fact that he has declared war on the swamp - including the likes of Epstein - means that he is unlikely to be one of them. I'd guess that when he accepted his one invitation to visit Epstein's island, he hoped to meet one or two women who were easy to charm, but that he did not expect to meet girls who were not there for the fun, but because Ghislane Maxwell had picked them up and brought them on false pretences. He only went once, and I suspect that what he discovered there fuelled his desire to gain the power needed to change the system.

We probably need to agree to differ on this!

David
 
Pretty much, yep. You're operating on what you'd like to believe rather than facts.
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EXCUSE me, BUT Trump never went to Epstein Island. ANYONE who has ANY evidence of this needs to show it now or clamp it. IF there is some other manifesto log, please share.

Now, about these rascals, I hope to God Epstein is dead and chocked to filthy death, I hope it was PAINFUL and horrible. I hope there is an afterlife or reincarnation where he can be a little girl or a young woman that needed help, but had nowhere to turn so she gets tossed like garbage.

Now, to Trump. These high hitters don't travel like the rest of us. You can see Hollywood stars standing with Weinstein, it doesn't mean they LOVED getting handled by him OR were handled OR agreed to any handling of others.

ALL these well known, connected people are seen together. They even do deals together (esp. in the past) because THAT is how it gets done. For example concrete, everyone knows the mob in N.Y. does the concrete business (other businesses as well) AND if you want anything built you have to know who is who to EVEN play. Or you are OUT.

Do you know how Trump improved Central Park in N.Y.? How he worked to clean up N.Y.? Do you REALLY think Mother Theresa can handle someone like that horrible little rocket man in N. Korea? Do you know how Otto was sent back to our country? The kid that torn a poster off the wall? Look it up & be ready to cry.

What do you want Trump to be? The high school prom queen? This is a nasty business, every step he tries they are blocking him. Democrats are not patriots to this country, they will destroy our country.

I wish it were all fun & game & fair play but it isn't. We had 2 choices. When Trump came down I rolled my eyes too, but he has proven to do a lot of great things NOBODY could get done for this country. He's our freakin President. For Gods sake with all you stabbing him, who would want THAT job? You?

Look if I had my way sure, I'd have the country run by a panel of our best & brightest (I don't think a lot of colleges are turning those out right now). So, until you have someone better that can actually win or do the job... I don't know, stop your complaining.

I voted for obama for one reason I saw the black community was in big trouble & I thought he'd do something for his own people. He did NOTHING. He made it worse in those communities. Now, unless you have actual proof of some REALLY bad nonsense Trump has done... I don't know, wait I do know, Keep everything in perspective.

What I've seen is lawless courts after kangaroo court and a bunch of lies that get the "I'm sorry" weeks later on the back page. Our media is corrupt. Our gov. is corrupt, our agencies have been corrupted and our courts/judges. We're trying to clean up decades of the swamp, it's going to take a minute.

PS: I'm talking to all the naysayers on Trump/ Laird, you just happen to have made a small post. I'm not picking on you.
 
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Just to be clear: I wasn't asserting any putative facts, just pointing out that David was working from what he wanted to believe rather than presenting any facts which supported his beliefs.
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Honey, that's all we got. "What we believe". I agree w/David. I love that you are still trying to figure out if Trumps a bad guy. I'll keep my mind open enough if someone can show me where he is an Epstein or Weinstein or something to that effect. Then I'll turn on him. Until then it's 2020 again. Because the alternatives suck.
 
I love that you are still trying to figure out if Trumps a bad guy.
I don't so much see him as a "bad guy" as so self-interested that he will use whatever tactics work to make money, gain reputation, and gain power, regardless of whether those tactics are ethical or not. This is a man who has ripped people off left, right, and centre to make money, but who then runs for president as a man of the people. This is a man who lies shamelessly, time and time again, and makes promises that he doesn't keep, but who then claims to be an outsider to politics and thus more trustworthy than the usual political class. In essence, I don't see him as competent enough to be a true villain, just so ethically compromised through his own vanity that he lacks the integrity to be a true force for good.

But I don't think that this thread should be diverted into a discussion about Donald Trump, so I will cross-post this to the thread dedicated to him, and then supply a link to that post, so you can respond to it there if you want to. OK?

Edit: here's that link: http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/trump-consciousness.4080/post-136623
 
Isn't "what we believe" the majority position of this board? Get sadghuru on here or brother panic. Your western mind has you working backwords with all the logic and rationale. Endless debates and theories system that all sound like they make sense but they don't
 
Isn't "what we believe" the majority position of this board? Get sadghuru on here or brother panic. Your western mind has you working backwords with all the logic and rationale. Endless debates and theories system that all sound like they make sense but they don't
yes, pls do whatever you can to help me get them on Skeptiko.
 
I have been emailing Kevin Annette about how I could help stop the genocide of Canadian Indians & prevent the further rape of Canadian resources by greedy corporations. He wanted me to hand out leaflets to Catholics requesting that they stop giving donations to the Church as long as the C.C. continues its child trafficking activities. He also refers to a Vatican policy known as Crimen Sollicitationas (1929), that Catholics & priests must assist in these crimes & protect child abusers in the church or face excommunication. Whew! Heavy accusations. I have a few Catholic friends here in the Philippines, so I will discuss this w/ them before I do any leafleting. My wife has told me about crowds in her country descending on a perceived criminal & tearing the person apart right then & there. I watched a crowd form ON THE FREEWAY around a young man shot in his car, so I tend to believe her. I forwarded a sermon to Alex that Kevin wrote. Pure hellfire & brimstone stuff w/ Judgement Day awaiting us all, so I can't really support that completely. What I do agree w/ is that massive changes are on the horizon, some of which are already upon us. I think the burgeoning acceptance of the afterlife promoted by NDEs & remarkably respectable scientists & academics like Dr. Eben Alexander leads the positive side of the changes. The dark side, of course, is the threat posed by climate change & the continuing, unrestrained callousness described by Annette. Where do thoughtful & concerned people like myself turn in circumstances like these? I did email Anita Moorjani about this issue: aren't spiritual people obligated to confront wrongdoing as a compassionate way to end the suffering of abused peoples & the Earth? I suspect all I may get is "change yourself & change the world." However, I remain open-minded.
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