Lance Mungia, Third Eye Spies, What’s Behind Remote Viewing Disclosure? |434|

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Lance Mungia, Third Eye Spies, What’s Behind Remote Viewing Disclosure? |434|
by Alex Tsakiris | Dec 3 | Consciousness Research, Parapsychology
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Lance Mungia’s Third Eye Spies is a terrific movie, but what’s really behind this new openness about secret remote viewing programs.
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I have an interview coming up in a minute with Lance Mungia. He’s the creator of the movie, it’s been out for a little while now, it’s called Third Eye Spies. If you like the stuff we talk about here and I guess that’s why you’re here, then this is a really important movie because it talks about the whole history of the secret psychic spying program, Stargate that we all know and love.
So I just wanted to give you a quick heads-up. Lance is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, the movie is important, but there is this underlying tension in this interview because I don’t exactly see things the same way that Lance does, but hey, who cares? That’s level three, right? We don’t have to agree on everything. Here’s a guy who’s done a terrific movie, here are some clips from the show.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:55] The storyline that the movie follows is that Russell Targ, who is of course one of the original principal investigators in this Stargate remote viewing program and he’s going to reconnect with all of these people that have been a part of this amazing program and then the threat of the story is, “Okay guys, we can now tell the story that we wanted to tell for so long.”
Lance Mungia: [00:01:23] Frankly, he literally showed up at my door with a big box full of documents that were marked classified, that had been released, and he starts laying out all of these documents on a table and I started to actually question it, because it was so incredible. I remember going to bed after meeting him the first night and thinking, “Is this guy like for real?” I mean, this is something that is so incredible that I’m only going to really be able to do something like this if I can get everybody, because it was one of those things where, if it’s just one person saying it, it sounds too outlandish.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:57] The conspiratorial guy that I am, one of the first questions I had from the beginning is, why do you think they released all of these documents? I have a hard time believing it’s just for the vanity or the interest of this sweet old man, Professor Russell Targ, who says, “I’d like to do this final tour,” and the CIA says, “Oh great, well, here’s 60 thousand documents that we never released before.”
Lance Mungia: [00:02:27] Oh, I have all kinds of thoughts on that. We think of government as a monolithic thing, the government is coming up with this or the government is hiding this. Government intentionally is very dysfunctional. The presidents and elected officials are always the last to know.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:50] Would you say the CIA director often falls in that category too, because I would?
Lance Mungia: [00:02:55] Yeah, I mean possibly. I would say the CIA director probably knows more than the president does, but Russell and how the two scientists that started this program in the 70s were both already vetted people working within established intelligence circles and they were respected within the intelligence community that had an official oversight.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:19] Let me just clarify, you’re saying, as opposed , as we do understand it now, some programs that are just black.
Lance Mungia: [00:03:26] Yeah, these were not black programs, these were secret programs but they had oversight, and if you think about something like remote viewing, how easy is it to do remote viewing? Basically you close your eyes, you imagine where your target is hiding and then you write down what comes to your mind, the first unexpected images that you get, and that’s it. So it doesn’t take billions of dollars, it doesn’t take fighter jets, but the government is uniquely placed to be able to find out if you’re right or wrong. So you can infiltrate the regular intelligence agencies by giving them information and not telling them where it comes from.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:06] So these guys are playing this disinformation, misinformation and spread of information at a 3D chess level that we don’t totally even get.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:16] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:17] If take what you’re saying and extend it to that, knows what’s going on.
Lance Mungia: [00:04:23] Absolutely.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:24] What do you think those guys are doing with the UFO disclosure thing?
Lance Mungia: [00:04:28] Well, that’s right where I was going to go. My take on both them, with remote viewing, and them with the UFO thing, and I am talking specifically about people that I interviewed that were still sort of involved in these kinds of projects, even by their own admission, is that these are people who are on the inside but they’re not really on the inside.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:04:51] Let me just throw this out because I’m just dying to get someone’s opinion on this who’s truly thought about it and studied it, as you have. It seems to me that there’s this straight-up political thing that’s going on, that too few people talk about. There’s a left, right, republican, democrat, if you will, kind of flavor to some of this, and the UFO disclosure thing is clearly coming from the left, and I don’t say that to prejudice it in anyway, it just clearly, clearly is. It’s Podesta and Clinton were originally the ones that wanted to bring it out and they weren’t elected, so Tom DeLonge, who was hooked into that, went ahead and brought it out anyway. And Peter Levenda, who was part of that whole thing. I’m just saying, in broad strokes that seems to be one of the overlays on this and I’d love to hear anything you think about that?
Lance Mungia: [00:05:44] Well number one, Trump will be the last person they ever tell, he’ll be the last one on the boat I think.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:05:51] But he has his own people who are telling him.
Lance Mungia: [00:05:54] Well, he’s starting Space Force and we don’t know why, and all of this kind of stuff, yes. I don’t know that it’s left versus right, as much as it is sort of logic versus superstition.
 
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Alex,

I guess I am not the only person who was a bit stumped at the end of that discussion - and indeed, you didn't add your usual introductory question at the end of the show.

The discussion about the extent to which phenomena such as UFOs vary depending on people's expectations began to get interesting.

It might help if you start things off with a few words about what you thought that interview brought out.

David
 
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I want to say it was perhaps the best interview yet. The deep questions reared their heads and left me reeling... I am glad Alex kept the tension regarding the dark aspects, and I do not think one can take refuge in advaita or more generally in the naive optimism one sees in those circles.
 
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Alex,

I guess I am not the only person who was a bit stumped at the end of that discussion - and indeed, you didn't add your usual introductory question at the end of the show.

The discussion about the extent to which phenomena such as UFOs vary depending on people's expectations began to get interesting.

It might help if you start things off with a few words about what you thought that interview brought out.

David
who else was "stumped"?

as far as a question to start things out how about the that I posed in the title --- what's really behind the disclosure Secret remote viewing programs?
 
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I want to say it was perhaps the best interview yet. The deep questions reared their heads and left me reeling... I am glad Alex kept the tension regarding the dark aspects, and I do not think one can take refuge in advaita or more generally in the naive optimism one sees in those circles.
thanks. I appreciate that it's difficult make a movie of this quality. Lance had a story to tell and had to do it in an entertaining way. he did a great job on both counts.

but there's a lot more going on with Stargate... and I can't help but feel that we've all fallen asleep at the switch. some things to ponder:

- these guys were Scientologist... I mean back in the day Parsons Aleister Crowley in the desert summoning the Antichrist Scientologist. ensure they all said they left the movement and I have no reason believe them not to believe did the link between Scientology an intelligence organizations lingers in the Wind :)

- Sidney Gottlieb MKultra. I have no reason to believe that Russell targ wasn't sincere regarding his to dislike of Gottlieb, but that doesn't change the fact that Stargate fell under the MKUltra umbrella.

- I keep coming back to Grant Cameron and the Wilbert Smith memo... all about ET... all about mental "phenomena." I mean, really, how can it be otherwise... the reality/presence of ET changes everything
 
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who else was "stumped"?

as far as a question to start things out how about the that I posed in the title --- what's really behind the disclosure Secret remote viewing programs?
I think the US intelligence agencies say publicly they ended the program, but it really continues in secret. The agencies would want other countries and organizations to think it is not useful so they would not try it themselves, and the US intelligence agencies would want to use it without oversight of the elected government.

Part of the problem with a public program is that there are two factions who would be continually trying to kill the program: materialists who would not believe it worked and Christians who would believe it was demonic in nature. There would not be many people who would actually support a public program except those who were inside and knew how well it worked. By running it as a secret program no one outside of it knows of its existence.
 
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I think US publicly ended it as disinformation, but the program continues in secret. The US wanted other countries and organizations to think it is not useful so they would not try it themselves, and the US intelligence agencies wanted to use it without oversight of the elected government.
not according to Lance. His view and the view of many inside the program was that right-wing Christian politicians viewed the program is satanic and pushed to shut it down.

This would also stand in contrast to his information about these kinds of programs being strictly forbidden in Russia Today.
 
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not according to Lance. His view and the view of many inside the program was that right-wing Christian politicians viewed the program is satanic and pushed to shut it down.

That is one reason I think it went black. To hide it from the materialists who believe it can't work and Christians who think it is demonic.

Retired insiders might not know the truth or, like active insiders, they would know better than to disclose the existence of a secret program.

The military intelligence industrial complex is part of the breakaway civilization. They are a law unto themselves. That is what the current political upheaval in the US is all about. Taking the government back from the people who are running things from the shadows.

This would also stand in contrast to his information about these kinds of programs being strictly forbidden in Russia Today.
If you asked a Russian about the existence of a secret program, they would not tell you of its existence if they knew. They would be aware that Putin would kill them no matter where in the world they went for asylum.
 
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who else was "stumped"?

as far as a question to start things out how about the that I posed in the title --- what's really behind the disclosure Secret remote viewing programs?
Sorry - I wanted to post something to get the discussion started because 24 hours after you posted the interview nobody had replied - now they have.

By stumped, I really meant that nobody had replied - which is unusual.

David
 
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I think the US intelligence agencies say publicly they ended the program, but it really continues in secret. The agencies would want other countries and organizations to think it is not useful so they would not try it themselves, and the US intelligence agencies would want to use it without oversight of the elected government.
Precisely - unless remote viewing had been a total dud - which it clearly wasn't - why would they close down such a program?

David
 
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- I keep coming back to Grant Cameron and the Wilbert Smith memo... all about ET... all about mental "phenomena." I mean, really, how can it be otherwise... the reality/presence of ET changes everything
That's it. That's the exact "it."

It also may interestingly tie to the key reason JFK was assassinated and all that leads us through "Watergate," Iran/Contra, 9/11 and now...

That's the key to it all... "the alien presence" as E. Howard Hunt told Douglas Caddy just before he went to prison (taking the fall as a true CIA lifer would so do).
 
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Precisely - unless remote viewing had been a total dud - which it clearly wasn't - why would they close down such a program?

David
Closing down... like they closed down Project Blue Book. That's just taking something from white to black. When you take it black, you eliminate the need to deal with all the silly media and public. You tell 'em, "there's nothing to it." Remember when the UK issued their statement that UFO was bogus? What... 15 or so years ago?

Taking it black is cleaner, wiser, focused, and... and more.

Apologies I had not read the next post from Jim Smith... Jim says the same thing -

I think the US intelligence agencies say publicly they ended the program, but it really continues in secret. The agencies would want other countries and organizations to think it is not useful so they would not try it themselves, and the US intelligence agencies would want to use it without oversight of the elected government.
Part of the problem with a public program is that there are two factions who would be continually trying to kill the program: materialists who would not believe it worked and Christians who would believe it was demonic in nature. There would not be many people who would actually support a public program except those who were inside and knew how well it worked. By running it as a secret program no one outside of it knows of its existence.
 
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One more thing to add... search about The Collins Elite - these were (are?) eschotologists of the Christian flavor. Check out Nick Redfern's book - Final Events

Don't read too much into the sensationalist description... Nick doesn't commit on any of the conclusions... he just explores the possibilities in the book. From the description -

"For decades, stories of alien abductions, UFO encounters, flying saucer sightings, and Area 51 have led millions of people to believe that extraterrestrials are secretly among us. But what if those millions of people are all wrong? What if the UFO phenomenon has much darker and far more ominous origins? For four years, UFO authority Nick Redfern has been investigating the strange and terrifying world of a secret group within the U.S. Government known as the Collins Elite. The group believes that our purported alien visitors are, in reality, deceptive demons and fallen angels. They are the minions of Satan, who are reaping and enslaving our very souls, and paving the way for Armageddon and Judgment Day. In FINAL EVENTS you'll learn about the secret government files on occultists Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons, and their connections to the UFO mystery; revelations of the demonic link to the famous "UFO crash" at Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947; the disclosure of government investigations into life-after-death and out-of-body experiences; and an examination of the satanic agenda behind alien abductions. FINAL EVENTS reveals the stark and horrific truths about UFOs that some in the government would rather keep secret."
 
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Sorry - I wanted to post something to get the discussion started because 24 hours after you posted the interview nobody had replied - now they have.

By stumped, I really meant that nobody had replied - which is unusual.

David
IDK a lot of times people post straight away without having listened to the show which is kind of pointless
 
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Precisely - unless remote viewing had been a total dud - which it clearly wasn't - why would they close down such a program?

David
one thing this movie, and the overall Deep dive into Stargate Reveals is how irrational/dysfunctional these programs can be. on the other hand, I tend to agree with something this good finds a way
 
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- these guys were Scientologist... I mean back in the day Parsons Aleister Crowley in the desert summoning the Antichrist Scientologist. ensure they all said they left the movement and I have no reason believe them not to believe did the link between Scientology an intelligence organizations lingers in the Wind :)
Who were Scientologist? Serious question. I'm not familiar with a clear through-line from JPL to Stargate or SRI. Unless you are just referring to them being part of the military-industrial-aerospace complex, in which case I'm not sure how you can smear them all as Scientologist. Edit: My question was answered below. Scientology tech does a lot of people good, it isn't all rubbish, even if the organization is awful and the whole thing was started essentially as a scam.

That aside, this still seems like a naive cartoon of the Parsons/Hubbard connection. For one, Crowley thought Parsons and Hubbard were fools.

"It is not good talking about Frater 210 coming over. He has got under the influence of a person whom I believe to be an ordinary Con Man; at any rate he is acting quite insanely, and as far as I can see, both deceitfully and dishonourably. I am still waiting to hear whether the adverb “dishonestly” should not be added to this list. In any case he would not come, because, — O curse these people who have no ideas of their own and can do nothing but pick up my ideas and try to put them into operation without in the least understanding them or knowing how to bring them to success! — apparently he, or Ron or somebody, is producing a Moon Child.
I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these goats. (I apologise to goats.)"
http://blazingstar-oto.org/gradymcm.../06141946-aleister-crowley-to-grady-mcmurtry/

Second, Parsons was never a Scientologist - Hubbard ran off with Parsons' wife long before he started Scientology. Any speculation about Parsons' interest in the occult influencing NASA is just that, pure speculation.

I think it is fair to say that without Parsons' interest in the occult he probably would have had the inspiration necessary to lead to the discoveries he did and the course of world history could be greatly different. That doesn't mean Scientology or OTO is secretly directing NASA programs.
 
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This was a great conversation! One of my favorites in a while! You added a lot to what the film provides whereas the other interviews I've heard with Lance were rather dull and mostly rehashes of what is in the documentary.
 
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...based around the 50:00 minute mark -

My opinion on the political overlay is that you have human beings who, at one level, are on a “same page” albeit and in most cases, on different tiny regions of that same page… yet at another level of their being, they share political views that are polarized (Dem / Repub… Left / Right…, etc.) yet also… they may also be religiously/spiritually different such as fundamentalist / spiritual in a new-agy way / atheist / non-dualist, etc.

And you get a great deal of dissonance in the whole mess and so one has to wonder… are humans just this goofy? Or are humans being manipulated by either a tiny group of humans (insiders!) or perhaps something not human (physical or perhaps not) or could both of these dynamics be playing a role?

So my gut feeling is yes, we are goofy, yes, a small group of humans know this, manage this, manipulate us, yes there are non-human “actors” involved. And these not human factors can be physical in our frequency range, physical in another frequency range, strictly non-material (like we might be if we are “ensouled” so to speak – just using the word soul as a metaphor with zero religious implication) and some of the Earth humans know more about this than most of us and that this is what “they” wish to “slow roll disclose” and I can imagine all sorts of reasons for wanting to do it that way.

From one of my sources... Ingo Swann was (at one time) a Scientologist.

and I just found this -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann
According to Swann, in April 1972 a move was made at the ASPR in New York to discredit him and throw him out, because he was a Scientologist.[21][22]
and this interesting find -
https://mikemcclaughry.wordpress.co...eriorize-after-he-did-scientologys-ot-levels/

ahhh and more here -
https://tonyortega.org/2017/07/08/s...on-a-previously-unpublished-ingo-swann-essay/
A very successful book – Mind-Reach – was published in 1976. The late, great Martin Gardner critiqued the evidence offered for paranormal activity in the SRI tests. I was fascinated that two of the “psychics” – Ingo Swann and Pat Price – and one of the two experimenters – Hal Puthoff – were Scientologists. Gardner claimed that ten members of the support team were also involved in Scientology.
 
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