Marisa Ryan, Certified Psychic Medium Tackles Big Picture Questions |398|

Yes, interesting. It would have been more honest (& respectful) for the westerner to ask to exchange skills as that would at least make them equals. I don't see that humility in Western culture. Christian/Catholic invaders have always been about obliteration, denial and patronising ignorance. Which is why it has lost its spirituality.
that's one way to look at it, but another way to look at it is they shouldn't have stolen his f****** compass! of course, you could argue that the Belgium Rubber Company shouldn't have cut off the arms of workers who didn't meet their quota... I mean, there's that part too... then again, if the f****** Shaman in the movie was so powerful he should have done more...

which I think is the most beautiful part of the movie, and that is the doubt that the shaman shows about his own belief system... and the juxtaposition of the shaman's spiritual journey and the "privileged white invader's" spiritual journey that's where the action is for me.
 
I don't quite know what you mean by settling a point - do you mean you think there may be other documents that modify the will, or what - I mean what sort of thing were you asking the medium (without divulging anything too personal).

My impression is that trying to dissect ψ into ESP vs clairvoyance vs contact with dead spirits vs remote viewing , isn't very productive. Possibly it is analogous to those, "do you love me for my mind or my body" type of arguments!

David
Well, my advice to anyone dealing with a death, is to use their intuition to ascertain 'what the deceased would want' in most of the issues they have been left with. But how cool would it be if we could actually ask the dead to clarify their Will, given it is so often a cause of litigious contention between surviving family members.

No, there is just the one document. I asked what she wanted us to do with a small piece of land she left because the Will is somewhat open to interpretation. Alan quoted her as making two recommendations utterly at odds with her original, pre-death convictions (and he said 'city' when it is in a village) so either she had undergone a significant change of mind, principles and grasp of location since dying, or it was actually his opinion/advice and not my mother's. Rigorous attention to discrepancies is hard to maintain during a reading unless you exercise a degree of skepticism, which you are pre-warned may interfere with a successful connection. And it is hard not to be blown away by the awe of 1 or 2 uncanny 'hits' so I'd recommend insisting on receiving all 5-6 of the promised evidential proofs, which I didn't. But perhaps expecting hardcore legal advice is not an option, given they're apparently so 'loved-up' over there, and without a body (or any material interest) to contend with...

I don't think I'm dissecting, I'm comparing. I'd say they are all psychic phenomena that require a refined ability to intuit information by extrasensory perception, whether from a distance or within a blind test. It is an amazing skill but I'm still not convinced we have proved it is the dead talking, at least in my limited experience. That's not to say I don't believe in spirit presence or haven't experienced contact with my mother, but it's probably not going to happen by Skype or in a public arena, or a laboratory, or just because I want it to.

It would be interesting to know what information Julie's test questions or answers produced.
 
that's one way to look at it, but another way to look at it is they shouldn't have stolen his f****** compass! of course, you could argue that the Belgium Rubber Company shouldn't have cut off the arms of workers who didn't meet their quota... I mean, there's that part too... then again, if the f****** Shaman in the movie was so powerful he should have done more...

which I think is the most beautiful part of the movie, and that is the doubt that the shaman shows about his own belief system... and the juxtaposition of the shaman's spiritual journey and the "privileged white invader's" spiritual journey that's where the action is for me.
Lol, yes! Another truth is that he was up sh*t creek if he couldn't read the stars. Ah, the clash of cultures..it's a massive and seemingly irreconcilable debate, with more or less reprehensible behaviour to be found in both 'camps'. It sounds like a fascinating movie.
 
Incredibly interesting, Richard. Not sure quite what to make of it, mind. It'd probably be inappropriate to discuss it here lest I derail the thread. Tell me, is the only place to discuss it on YouTube as there doesn't appear to be a forum or comments section on your site? Also, how does one access extra content?
I don't know. I would be careful. I'm not saying that what schizophrenics are experiencing is real to them or not, but we don't want to go back to the times of the Catholic Church, where cases of mental illness were dealt with by starvation, exorcism, and torture. If possession is what is really going on, why do medical drugs work to prevent it? It doesn't make sense to me. Just because materialism can't explain everything doesn't mean that we have to throw out all aspects of it in explaining things.
 
Yes I listened to Julie Beischel and have seen/heard Marisa Ryan before Alex's interview. But having had a disappointing reading from Alan Hugenot, concerning settling a point on my dead mother's Will..I note that Marisa also declines to answer legal issues, I'm not sure why.
I think you will find any declining to discuss legal issues is a matter of personal liability. There is a general reservation about giving legal, medical or financial advice for the simple reason that any person acting on what they think they understand was said to them could led to catastrophic outcomes that then might motivate legal action.

Some years back I ran a group engaged in esoteric work and I was absolutely emphatic that no member of the group should offer or accept advice concerning anything legal, medical, financial or personal that was not directly related to the practices the group engaged in. There is always a risk that an individual might be vulnerable to being influenced by another who did not possess thenevessary knowledge or skill. I had no control over whether individuals got together outside the group - and they could say and believe what they liked. But all members signed an agreement that they would neither give or accept advice proscribed as members of the group.

Marisa is, in my view, absolutely right to refuse to answer any questions related to legal issues. Her exposure to aggrieved legal action is massive. She has no way of knowing whether any remark has been interpreted in an appropriate manner. Not going there is necessary for her safety.

Can I say also that never ever rely on spirit advice for legal matters. It may be okay to take any information and build it into a competent professional legal opinion, but spirit based information has no legal standing. Also it is not always right. This is because between you and spirit there are filters, so while the 'spirit' of the message may be right the detail may be not factual but analogous. Analogies do not cut it in the law.
 
If possession is what is really going on, why do medical drugs work to prevent it?
They don't. Psychotropics impede conscious awareness. In most cases 'possession' or attachment operates below conscious awareness, coming to the fore in crises.

If you believe you have a rat gnawing at your feet drugs do not make the rat go away. All they do is impede your reaction to the rat. If the rat is not real the response delivered by drugs is good. If the rat is real the drugs are the wrong response.

For psychiatry all rats are not real. In reality many rats are real. This is why conventional psychiatry is dangerous - in my view. Check out Balwin's spirit releasement therapy. That's about as close to the reality as you will get and still be on this side of the woo divide
 
I think you will find any declining to discuss legal issues is a matter of personal liability. There is a general reservation about giving legal, medical or financial advice for the simple reason that any person acting on what they think they understand was said to them could led to catastrophic outcomes that then might motivate legal action.

Some years back I ran a group engaged in esoteric work and I was absolutely emphatic that no member of the group should offer or accept advice concerning anything legal, medical, financial or personal that was not directly related to the practices the group engaged in. There is always a risk that an individual might be vulnerable to being influenced by another who did not possess thenevessary knowledge or skill. I had no control over whether individuals got together outside the group - and they could say and believe what they liked. But all members signed an agreement that they would neither give or accept advice proscribed as members of the group.

Marisa is, in my view, absolutely right to refuse to answer any questions related to legal issues. Her exposure to aggrieved legal action is massive. She has no way of knowing whether any remark has been interpreted in an appropriate manner. Not going there is necessary for her safety.

Can I say also that never ever rely on spirit advice for legal matters. It may be okay to take any information and build it into a competent professional legal opinion, but spirit based information has no legal standing. Also it is not always right. This is because between you and spirit there are filters, so while the 'spirit' of the message may be right the detail may be not factual but analogous. Analogies do not cut it in the law.
I take your point Michael, and it's a very valid one, although I think no court currently allows any evidence provided by ESP, so it would be hard to make a case. No medium or psychic should be held liable for how their information is used. Could your group have had participants sign an agreement promising not to use imparted information in any future legal event?

What I asked my mother was for advice on her preference, and ideally, for a message that would make my sisters gasp in sudden recognition and be moved to reconsider their position..(lol!) I asked for a message twice and I think I was ignored on that request. What I was told was to "just love them" and that she just "wants everyone to be happy". The first I think is very 'Alan' but the second was (weirdly) my mother's favourite phrase... I can't argue with either, but still, it's a wee bit frustrating!

So, leaving out personal, legal, medical and financial (though I have heard of spirit giving advice on health or insurance claims and lost jewellery) that leaves us with, what? "I'm fine, see you when you get here"
 
Paganism is growing unfortunately its tainted with religious backwash and huge egos
Not sure what you mean by 'religious backwash' except perhaps the Cathar reincarnation movement(?) but I agree, there are always egos in any human endeavour.

'Pays-gan' comes from french 'people of the land' and who really knows how to live off the land? It does seem to be mostly dress-ups, fantasising and the usual fall-outs over petty details, but I think there are some modern humans who are trying to recreate a valid new (age) philosophy. I'm a bit over a few suspect phrases such as "fake it till you make it" (from the australian ferals) which sounds like a lot of faking it, and "maybe the dolphins are supposed to go extinct" from a south african new age counsellor. *sigh*
 
Not sure what you mean by 'religious backwash' except perhaps the Cathar reincarnation movement(?) but I agree, there are always egos in any human endeavour.

'Pays-gan' comes from french 'people of the land' and who really knows how to live off the land? It does seem to be mostly dress-ups, fantasising and the usual fall-outs over petty details, but I think there are some modern humans who are trying to recreate a valid new (age) philosophy. I'm a bit over a few suspect phrases such as "fake it till you make it" (from the australian ferals) which sounds like a lot of faking it, and "maybe the dolphins are supposed to go extinct" from a south african new age counsellor. *sigh*
I've never heard that phrase attributed to ferals specifically, although I find it hard to argue with when I consider it.

By way of disclosure, I'm from Northern NSW where the interesection of townies, farmers, new agers, and activists is an interesting cocktail of competing belief structures. Not at all that dissimilar to where I find myself these days in northern CA. :)
 
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I've never heard that phrase attributed to ferals specifically, although I find it hard to argue with when I consider it.

By way of disclosure, I'm from Northern NSW we're the interesection of townies, farmers, new agers, and activists is an interesting cocktail of competing belief structures. Not at all that dissimilar to where I find myself these days in northern CA. :)
Hello! :D I lived with the ferals for 2 yrs in northern NSW and found friends, arguments and moments of true beauty and occasional dismay. I fell in love with Nimbin, tho sad that the museum burnt down..it reminded me of Hebden Bridge in north england, but that has also lost some of its 'magic'. Hippies grow old and the days are dark in british society these days.

Still Australians are a young culture and intensely passionate about their beliefs, hopes and dreams when I was there, 20 yrs ago. There was a lot of debate about how to create a 'brave new world' but some confusion as to what philosophy to reference..not the surfie scene mired in old-school male chauvinism, or the urban-types drinking coffee and claiming enlightenment..but thank goodness the hippies love nature and don't cut down the trees, it has at least kept the weather pattern stable up there I was told.

California seems strong, and I've met Suzan Saxman of Woodstock, so there's always hope.
 
Hello! :D I lived with the ferals for 2 yrs in northern NSW and found friends, arguments and moments of true beauty and occasional dismay. I fell in love with Nimbin, tho sad that the museum burnt down..it reminded me of Hebden Bridge in north england, but that has also lost some of its 'magic'. Hippies grow old and the days are dark in british society these days.

Still Australians are a young culture and intensely passionate about their beliefs, hopes and dreams when I was there, 20 yrs ago. There was a lot of debate about how to create a 'brave new world' but some confusion as to what philosophy to reference..not the surfie scene mired in old-school male chauvinism, or the urban-types drinking coffee and claiming enlightenment..but thank goodness the hippies love nature and don't cut down the trees, it has at least kept the weather pattern stable up there I was told.

California seems strong, and I've met Suzan Saxman of Woodstock, so there's always hope.

Looks like we were in the area at the same time. The Nimbin and Byron Bay areas are the kind of weird Santa Cruz CA wishes it could be. :) It costs so much more to live an alternative lifestyle in the area these days though. Unless you were lucky enough to inherit land, the real estate boom and urbanite refugees from the cities have changed the character of towns like Bangalow. Namaste and expensive coffee...if you please.
 
Looks like we were in the area at the same time. The Nimbin and Byron Bay areas are the kind of weird Santa Cruz CA wishes it could be. :) It costs so much more to live an alternative lifestyle in the area these days though. Unless you were lucky enough to inherit land, the real estate boom and urbanite refugees from the cities have changed the character of towns like Bangalow. Namaste and expensive coffee...if you please.
Very expensive! Money makes fools of us all, I remember a storm from the sea that took 30m off the coast and left some millionaire homes teetering on the edge, so She and her weather is bigger than us. I am Australian, tho brought up in UK, so I love my crazy, weird, wild 'siblings', I just can't take the heat!
 
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Not sure what you mean by 'religious backwash' except perhaps the Cathar reincarnation movement(?) but I agree, there are always egos in any human endeavour.

'Pays-gan' comes from french 'people of the land' and who really knows how to live off the land? It does seem to be mostly dress-ups, fantasising and the usual fall-outs over petty details, but I think there are some modern humans who are trying to recreate a valid new (age) philosophy. I'm a bit over a few suspect phrases such as "fake it till you make it" (from the australian ferals) which sounds like a lot of faking it, and "maybe the dolphins are supposed to go extinct" from a south african new age counsellor. *sigh*
Yes that's pretty much it. Dress up and a bunch of art students with esoteric tattoos and talking in sweet pleasing tones. 3rd wave feminism is big in these movements and so is the lqbt community. So these groups are already slanting to far left. It's truly awful. My teachers were cool and I learned alot but I genuinely dislike 99.9 percent of people. I've very blunt like say Simon Cowell from American Idol and that funny guy from the cooking show. I rub people the wrong way cause I'm very unimpressed with a lot of things. The people who join these groups are mostly there to escape from their pathetic lives its a form of escapism. No wonder pseudo skeptics have such a easy time debunking these claims from these frauds. The frauds out number the genuine people or teachers in these groups with there Marxist drudgery. A lot of these people are those arrogant white hipster kids who think it's spiritual to not use deodorant or the pan African people who denounce europeon esotercism and say most of it was stolen or changed. So much ego so little time to waste with these people.

Atleast I seen some telekinesis, regardless of what people can do they still come fully equipped with toxic egos, cognitive bias, lies, petty in fighting etc.
Lots of the guys that join I swear do it cause they can't get women and joining and going to these places seems "edgy" and cool
 
Yes that's pretty much it. Dress up and a bunch of art students with esoteric tattoos and talking in sweet pleasing tones. 3rd wave feminism is big in these movements and so is the lqbt community. So these groups are already slanting to far left. It's truly awful. My teachers were cool and I learned alot but I genuinely dislike 99.9 percent of people. I've very blunt like say Simon Cowell from American Idol and that funny guy from the cooking show. I rub people the wrong way cause I'm very unimpressed with a lot of things. The people who join these groups are mostly there to escape from their pathetic lives its a form of escapism. No wonder pseudo skeptics have such a easy time debunking these claims from these frauds. The frauds out number the genuine people or teachers in these groups with there Marxist drudgery. A lot of these people are those arrogant white hipster kids who think it's spiritual to not use deodorant or the pan African people who denounce europeon esotercism and say most of it was stolen or changed. So much ego so little time to waste with these people.

Atleast I seen some telekinesis, regardless of what people can do they still come fully equipped with toxic egos, cognitive bias, lies, petty in fighting etc.
Lots of the guys that join I swear do it cause they can't get women and joining and going to these places seems "edgy" and cool
John Lennon said "being honest won't get you many friends, but it will get you good ones" and I think being honest is the best favour you can do for yourself, as it enables you to see the fake and be honest with yourself. And Helen Mirren's advice she wished she'd had was to say "fuck off" more often, at least to the bullshitters. So those are two principles I live by. Neither will make you popular with the majority of people, who seem to be 'happy' living a life of shallow distractions and superficial representations.

I like Simon Cowell too, he seems to be honest without being gratuitously unkind. Tolerance is a skill I am yet to perfect but it's exhausting being angry all the time. It's better to turn a blind eye to what you can't change, or try to find them funny, at least you'll get a laugh out of it.

I like Alex's interview style as he's not afraid to challenge his guests and doesn't just say "wow" a lot, which I find really annoying!
 
Brother panic on stimulation theory.
Interesting thoughts I picked up from this video
What made me wonder, was he bringing up if we live in a simulation possibly made by a programmer or programmers who created us as inferior, while at the current trend we are creating "artifical intelligence" superior than us hmm
 
Why is it I knew exactly what Jon Oliver's position on Psychic Mediums would be before I even watched the episode. I had the same premonition when he did one on vaccines.

What I find is, that I can write social skeptic articles for them - without even knowing their position in advance, and do a better job of it than they can. This is why fake skepticism is such a common persona to adopt in order to survive inside journalism. It is both mandatory and easy.

It is a path of least resistance to imitate. A couple one-liners, insults - some humor. Job done. Immediate acclaim.
 
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