Martial Law Coming Soon?

The struggle against materialism which destroys the meaning of life is closely related to the struggle for individual freedom. There are institutions in place that deny people access to truth which enables freedom. The scientific establishment and the mainstream media and the corporate government establishments all have the same driving engine: materialism.

There have been Continuity of Government plans in the works for decades. Integration of law enforcement with military has been progressing. And barriers have been removed clearing the way for military to act within the CONUS.

Recently another military exercise was announced called Jade Helm 15 in which special forces will be training domestically. Specifically they will be attempting to infiltrate communities unnoticed. Drills also typically involve low flying military aircraft and soldiers in combat fatigues and armored vehicles patrolling city streets. This is just one of many such exercises that have been conducted over the years. Perhaps one reason this exercise has sparked more outrage than others is that Texas (where I live) and Utah are labeled as hostile territory.

Infowars recently put together a compendium of articles, interviews, and videos revealing the steady slide towards martial law: http://www.infowars.com/beyond-denial-preparations-for-martial-law-in-america/

The Federal government has been preparing for martial law for decades. When do you think this will take place? What will be the trigger? How will people react? What will be the short and long term effects? What will be the effect on the struggle against materialism and the institutions that it drives?
 
Infowars recently put together a compendium of articles, interviews, and videos revealing the steady slide towards martial law

I think you're buying into the fear-mongering. Which, as I view things, only helps the likelihood of what you are railing against. Even this take of "struggle against materialism" conveys that you view your own expansion as some sort of you vs them. It isn't. Unless you make it into that.
 
Personally, I am not expecting martial law anytime soon. Why would they need it? The president is doing everything he can to let Iran get nuclear weapons while Iran continually advocates the destruction of the US. How would martial improve on that?

Otherwise, I don't have strong opinions on this subject but for the sake of discussion I will point out a couple of things on the other side...

1) I think if you look at the demographics of the US military you will find that a substantial number, probably a majority, are in favor individual liberty over "big government". I'm not sure martial law would go unopposed by the military.
2) All that military surplus equipment going to local police forces might be used against the federal government if they tried to enforce martial law without a good reason. It might not hold up against army units but it would be formidable against federal law enforcement agencies.
3) In the past there was Ruby Ridge, and the Branch Davidians at Waco, but I think the Bundy ranch was a turning point and represents the future of federal attacks against civilians - at least in areas of the country where the population does not approve of federal government overreach.
4) A lot of US citizens own guns.

Also regarding infowars, often they use material from other sources so I always check the source before I believe what I read. Some source are more reliable than others. I haven't looked at the link in the OP so I am not saying anything about that in particular, just how I use the site in general.
 
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I think you're buying into the fear-mongering. Which, as I view things, only helps the likelihood of what you are railing against. Even this take of "struggle against materialism" conveys that you view your own expansion as some sort of you vs them. It isn't. Unless you make it into that.

In what way do you think I'm "buying into fear-mongering"? Are you suggesting that the conclusion that martial law is imminent is false and is based on hyped up evidence? Or are you suggesting that paying attention to such evidence creates an environment where martial law is increasingly likely?

My own expansion of consciousness has come at a cost. It has put me in an adversarial position with individuals or institutions that would attempt to stifle this expansion. It therefore seems natural to view things in terms of "struggle" - or in Christian terms: taking up one's cross. Although I view myself as playing a role in this struggle, I also step back and try to view things from a top down perspective understanding that it is my enemy that defines me. Struggle itself is an act of creation.

But all this is really beside the point... I didn't intend to psychoanalyze myself here. Just wanted other people's thoughts and opinions about the OP.
 
Personally, I am not expecting martial law anytime soon. Why would they need it?

Name a crisis: financial collapse, rogue nuclear attack, planned nuclear war, pandemic, etc... Any disaster or crisis will make a good excuse for the incremental implementation of martial law. Katrina is a perfect example. Troops went door to door confiscating the firearms of law abiding citizens. 9/11 is another example. In the hours and days after 9/11, thousands of innocent individuals were scooped up and indefinitely detained without charge - some for many months.

If the federal government is not expecting to need martial law, then why have they been preparing for it for decades?

The president is doing everything he can to let Iran get nuclear weapons while Iran continually advocates the destruction of the US. How would martial improve on that?

Honestly, Iran having nuclear weapons scares me far less than our own government. Outside of Israel, Iran and Syria are the most progressive nations in the middle east and they would be more so if the CIA had not been interfering with and overthrowing their governments for the last half-century. Our buddies in Saudi Arabia are more deplorable than ISIS, but they worship Western power so there is no US media and military campaign for regime change there.

1) I think if you look at the demographics of the US military you will find that a substantial number, probably a majority, are in favor individual liberty over "big government". I'm not sure martial law would go unopposed by the military.

I agree. That is why returning veterans have been vilified as a great "terrorist" threat by Homeland Security.

2) All that military surplus equipment going to local police forces might be used against the federal government if they tried to enforce martial law without a good reason. It might not hold up against army units but it would be formidable against federal law enforcement agencies.

...yes, if the local law enforcement and elected officials weren't bought off. Watch the second video on the linked article in the OP. The San Antonio police chief describes how pressure was put on him and other officials to go along - bribes were offered. And this was back in 1998. With the right crisis you wouldn't even have to buy anyone off... they would beg for help from the military to restore order. Another linked report discusses the "clergy response teams" where pastors have been prepped to help calm the public and get them to go along with whatever the government says to do. The clergy response teams were called upon during Katrina.

3) In the past there was Ruby Ridge, and the Branch Davidians at Waco, but I think the Bundy ranch was a turning point and represents the future of federal attacks against civilians - at least in areas of the country where the population does not approve of federal government overreach.

Yes, the outcome of the Bundy ranch situation was very encouraging, but it was made possible because of the quick dissemination of information through alternative media over the internet. If the internet becomes more controlled, there will be no public eye to protect citizens like Bundy from being wasted by contractors.
 
The world and mankind as a whole would be better off without materialism indeed.
Most of evil on this planet has been the bitter fruit of materialism , since the latter has been dominating in all human activity , including at the level of the heartless and cold so-called rational liberal ethics ( utilitarianist , contractarianist , Kantian) , and socialist ethics , including at the level of the world capitalist economy , including at the level of the so-called evolutionary ethics, including in all sciences for that matter , including in all human sciences , political science , history writing , sociology , .....art , literature...

I would not be surprised thus if western so-called democracies would turn into police states or worse...
 
I would not be surprised thus if western so-called democracies would turn into police states or worse...

I think they already have... the thin facade of democracy keeps people somewhat pacified for now.

Do you think that overturning scientific materialism can eventually lead to a social and political system that does not have materialism at its core? Or.. do you think that the overturning of materialistic political and social tyrannies can open the door for scientific materialism to be overturned? Or do you think humanity will ever escape materialism on a mass scale?
 
In what way do you think I'm "buying into fear-mongering"? Are you suggesting that the conclusion that martial law is imminent is false and is based on hyped up evidence?.
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that having the idea that martial law (and other such Chicken Little-isms) is in the offing shows one has bought into fear-mongering. And posting this thread is doing your own bit of fear-mongering.

And about the other stuff I mentioned -you rail against materialism and yet the tenor of that railing is rooted in materialist concepts. And, much as you try to dance around it - you're the one setting up your own struggle.
 
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It's hard to picture martial law actually working. The logistics would be a nightmare and the law of unintended consequences would prevail.

Martial law is intended to provide stability for an area full of violence. If everyone is just going about their business, what's the point? What would be different?

If you antagonize a sizable population of people, they will resist. And soldiers and police are only trained against terrorism and protests. If the methods are more creative, which they most likely would be, the citizenry could cause all sorts of havoc.

It would be insanely expensive as well because the US is really big.
 
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating that having the idea that martial law (and other such Chicken Little-isms) is in the offing shows one has bought into fear-mongering. And posting this thread is doing your own bit of fear-mongering.

And about the other stuff I mentioned -you rail against materialism and yet the tenor of that railing is rooted in materialist concepts. And, much as you try to dance around it - you're the one setting up your own struggle.

Thank you for your response, but I've noticed a pattern here... You engage in a thread with a short contrarian post in which you make a few short vague statements that make it seem as though you are above and beyond the topic at hand. Maybe you are, but I haven't found that it helps me to understand your POV at all, and if I can't understand your POV, then communication isn't happening and I'm not sure why you go to the trouble to post. When I respond and try to pin you down to specifics about what exactly you believe, you always shift the goal posts on me.

Let me try to break this down again and figure out what you're saying. You've said I'm fear-mongering. That means that I'm stirring up fear without warrant. Are you saying this because you believe there is no legitimate threat or because in your worldview you are opposed to any form of resistance or struggle? You seem to be saying both at the same time: "there is no threat and if there were, there's no point in resisting it."

So let's take your first statement that there is no legitimate threat from the government. Considering that democide was the leading cause of unnatural death in the last century, what do you believe has fundamentally changed in the world to prevent that trend from continuing into the present century?

As to the second statement, what exactly are the materialist roots of my insistence on resistance? How is resistance to oppression rooted in materialism?
 
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It's hard to picture martial law actually working. The logistics would be a nightmare and the law of unintended consequences would prevail.

I don't think it is meant to be entirely successful. After a few years of civil emergency/war, America would be softened up enough to accept without resistance a complete IMF and UN screw job.

You don't have to have troops patrolling the streets to have martial law. You can have business as usual with the exception that political dissent could be suppressed without a Bill of Rights to protect it. So in a sense, we are already under a degree of martial law since the Bill of Rights and Constitution are already subverted in a number of ways.
 
I don't think it is meant to be entirely successful. After a few years of civil emergency/war, America would be softened up enough to accept without resistance a complete IMF and UN screw job.

You don't have to have troops patrolling the streets to have martial law. You can have business as usual with the exception that political dissent could be suppressed without a Bill of Rights to protect it. So in a sense, we are already under a degree of martial law since the Bill of Rights and Constitution are already subverted in a number of ways.

Yeah, that's not going to go over very well. People will figure out how to be subversive.
 
I think that this is an interesting discussion and I want to bring another aspect into it. It's what I consider to be the illusion of monitoring and controlling people through the use of algorithms.

There is simply too much data to sort through by human means and so software is used to look for trends. This might be somewhat useful, but the problem is that the people they're most interested in finding are the ones who are the most savvy at exploiting this flaw. And it is a flaw.

This has been demonstrated in massive war games a few times. If your enemy is heavily relying on electronic surveillance for their intel, you can be completely invisible to them relatively easily by decentralizing and relying on paper and then when using electronic devices to couch terms in ways that algorithms can't pick up on.
 
I think that this is an interesting discussion and I want to bring another aspect into it. It's what I consider to be the illusion of monitoring and controlling people through the use of algorithms.

There is simply too much data to sort through by human means and so software is used to look for trends. This might be somewhat useful, but the problem is that the people they're most interested in finding are the ones who are the most savvy at exploiting this flaw. And it is a flaw.

This has been demonstrated in massive war games a few times. If your enemy is heavily relying on electronic surveillance for their intel, you can be completely invisible to them relatively easily by decentralizing and relying on paper and then when using electronic devices to couch terms in ways that algorithms can't pick up on.

I like your optimism and I am optimistic over the long course of things; however, I am skeptical of assertions that something can't be done because it is too hard. Algorithms are constantly being improved. I can't provide sources now but I recall a few years ago hearing cases of people joking about bombs through text messages while standing in security lines at airports and almost immediately being taken in for questioning. I've also heard of people being visited by homeland security after purchasing a thousand rounds of ammo on their credit card. Now currently they don't have enough manpower to pay a visit to every person who trips a red flag when their communications are filtered through an algorithm into the NSA's oceans of Yottabytes. But with the progression of cheap unmanned drone technology, "paying a visit" could be automated as well.
 
I like your optimism and I am optimistic over the long course of things; however, I am skeptical of assertions that something can't be done because it is too hard. Algorithms are constantly being improved. I can't provide sources now but I recall a few years ago hearing cases of people joking about bombs through text messages while standing in security lines at airports and almost immediately being taken in for questioning. I've also heard of people being visited by homeland security after purchasing a thousand rounds of ammo on their credit card. Now currently they don't have enough manpower to pay a visit to every person who trips a red flag when their communications are filtered through an algorithm into the NSA's oceans of Yottabytes. But with the progression of cheap unmanned drone technology, "paying a visit" could be automated as well.

This is a good example. It's easy to catch people unawares, but not if they're being mindful and know they're being watched. If the person selling you ammo lists it as something else on your credit card, or if you pay cash or bitcoins, or don't buy it in large volumes the algorithms can't detect it because there's no data to be flagged. Software is good when everyone is playing by the same rules, but its flaw is that it can't adapt to creativity. That requires human intervention.

In the security industry, this is known as a brittle defense. You don't know exactly how it works but it doesn't matter because you can simply attack it at your leisure with red herrings until you figure it out. As long as you're not too obvious about it, the system won't even know its being probed for weaknesses. If you're spying on everyone one of your problems is that you're a big bureaucracy and you're not going to be quick on your feet if things change.

The only thing that really works is what's known as an active defense. That is to say, constant human intervention is necessary to create a highly adaptable system that changes on the fly to various threats.
 
="Hurmanetar, post: 62520, member: 1078"]I think they already have... the thin facade of democracy keeps people somewhat pacified for now
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Indeed, but they know deep down that democracy is a farce.Nevertheless, they keep pretending it isn't, simply because they then would have to let go of most of their belief system

Do you think that overturning scientific materialism can eventually lead to a social and political system that does not have materialism at its core? Or.. do you think that the overturning of materialistic political and social tyrannies can open the door for scientific materialism to be overturned? Or do you think humanity will ever escape materialism on a mass scale?

I don't know.I think though that people should try to undergo a massive consciousness-raising process to change themselves first and that in itself would be changing the world.
But, people tend to stick to their comfort zones and hence change nothing about themselves , despite the fact that they know that something is terribly wrong about this world: instead of letting go of the false and illusory ego to know the real Self, they tend to become narcissistic as US society and culture in particular and the rest of western societies cultures have been becoming : that's no good sign thus.
People will then continue to immerse themselves and indulge in material and narcissistic cheap gratifications by exposing themselves so willingly to marketing that creates endless illusory needs for them to buy ,and exploits their egocentric vulnerabilities and to populism that caresses their illusory national pride, instead of facing the harsh reality.That's why violence is so glorified in the US , for example .That's why US "patriotism" or chauvinism are so glorified there, together with demonizing and creating foreign and domestic "enemies"... in order to project US narcissism and "democratic " failures on them ...I don't know.

This following book talks about all that , i guess :

http://www.amazon.com/The-Culture-Narcissism-Diminishing-Expectations/dp/0393307387

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The government is so corrupt already, so completely controlled by outside forces, and the media is entirely AWOL, that I don't know what would be gained from martial law. Why wake up the sheep when you can fleece them in their sleep?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/what-really-happened-to-harry-reid-part-2.php

What Really Happened to Harry Reid? Part 2
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When a guy shows up at a Las Vegas emergency room on New Year’s Day with severe facial injuries and broken ribs, and gives as an explanation the functional equivalent of “I walked into a doorknob,” it isn’t hard to guess that he ran afoul of mobsters. Yet the national press has studiously averted its eyes from Reid’s condition, and has refused to investigate the cause of his injuries. To my knowledge, every Washington reporter has at least pretended to believe Reid’s story, and none, as far as I can tell, has inquired further.
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Everyone knows that the Reid family has gotten rich, even though Reid has spent his entire career as a public employee. It is known that a considerable part of his fortune came from being cut in on sweetheart Las Vegas land deals that included at least one person associated with organized crime as a principal.

 
This is a good example. It's easy to catch people unawares, but not if they're being mindful and know they're being watched. If the person selling you ammo lists it as something else on your credit card, or if you pay cash or bitcoins, or don't buy it in large volumes the algorithms can't detect it because there's no data to be flagged. Software is good when everyone is playing by the same rules, but its flaw is that it can't adapt to creativity. That requires human intervention.

In the security industry, this is known as a brittle defense. You don't know exactly how it works but it doesn't matter because you can simply attack it at your leisure with red herrings until you figure it out. As long as you're not too obvious about it, the system won't even know its being probed for weaknesses. If you're spying on everyone one of your problems is that you're a big bureaucracy and you're not going to be quick on your feet if things change.

The only thing that really works is what's known as an active defense. That is to say, constant human intervention is necessary to create a highly adaptable system that changes on the fly to various threats.

I agree that human creativity will ultimately find a way to break these brittle defenses just as the inquisitions of the dark ages eventually gave way to the more free open and egalitarian era of the enlightenment.. I don't think any tyranny - even one supported by high technology - can endure forever. But what I would like to avoid is a new prolonged dark age where the chilling effect of an oppressive government stifles creativity and scientific and intellectual progress. Yes I am optimistic that this can be avoided, but the specifics of how it will all go down is still a big unknown and something I have an interest in contemplating. I don't think pure faith in human creativity will cause they tyranny to diminish... after all, "faith without works is dead."

Someone I really admire in this area is John McAfee. This guy is really intelligent and fiercely independent. He has managed to avoid plenty of snares laid for him and is aggressively pushing back against the encroaching technological tyranny. He has lately been exposing these fake cell phone towers of which there are thousands around the country.
 
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Indeed, but they know deep down that democracy is a farce.Nevertheless, they keep pretending it isn't, simply because they then would have to let go of most of their belief system

I don't know.I think though that people should try to undergo a massive consciousness-raising process to change themselves first and that in itself would be changing the world.
But, people tend to stick to their comfort zones and hence change nothing about themselves , despite the fact that they know that something is terribly wrong about this world: instead of letting go of the false and illusory ego to know the real Self, they tend to become narcissistic as US society and culture in particular and the rest of western societies cultures have been becoming : that's no good sign thus.
People will then continue to immerse themselves and indulge in material and narcissistic cheap gratifications by exposing themselves so willingly to marketing that creates endless illusory needs for them to buy ,and exploits their egocentric vulnerabilities and to populism that caresses their illusory national pride, instead of facing the harsh reality.That's why violence is so glorified in the US , for example .That's why US "patriotism" or chauvinism are so glorified there, together with demonizing and creating foreign and domestic "enemies"... in order to project US narcissism and "democratic " failures on them ...I don't know.

This following book talks about all that , i guess :

http://www.amazon.com/The-Culture-Narcissism-Diminishing-Expectations/dp/0393307387

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I agree that it all starts with the individual and the individual's worldview. That is why these topics of consciousness and materialism interest me so much. Everything flows from there. Someone said it is easier to change the course of a river up in the mountain headwaters rather than down near its mouth.

I hear you on patriotic narcissism. I think true patriotism is simply looking out for the interests of your neighbor and that selflessness could extend to larger political boundaries such as the nation-state. But unfortunately this good patriotism gets twisted into a means for people to expand their pride by identifying their ego with the greatness of the nation-state (much like they also do with sports teams). This pride keeps them from being able to honestly evaluate the corruption within the nation-state because an attack on the character of the nation-state becomes personal.

Do you think the democratizing and enlightening power of the internet can overcome the increasing narcissism and selfishness that other aspects of the internet provide? Do you think humanity as a whole is truly progressing - albeit in an oscillating fashion - ever closer towards some ideal state or is progress just an illusion?
 
The government is so corrupt already, so completely controlled by outside forces, and the media is entirely AWOL, that I don't know what would be gained from martial law. Why wake up the sheep when you can fleece them in their sleep?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/what-really-happened-to-harry-reid-part-2.php

What Really Happened to Harry Reid? Part 2
...
When a guy shows up at a Las Vegas emergency room on New Year’s Day with severe facial injuries and broken ribs, and gives as an explanation the functional equivalent of “I walked into a doorknob,” it isn’t hard to guess that he ran afoul of mobsters. Yet the national press has studiously averted its eyes from Reid’s condition, and has refused to investigate the cause of his injuries. To my knowledge, every Washington reporter has at least pretended to believe Reid’s story, and none, as far as I can tell, has inquired further.
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Everyone knows that the Reid family has gotten rich, even though Reid has spent his entire career as a public employee. It is known that a considerable part of his fortune came from being cut in on sweetheart Las Vegas land deals that included at least one person associated with organized crime as a principal.


You're right... if the elites were smart they would just keep their hands off for a bit. But... the lust for power can cause impatience and lead to mistakes.

I haven't read any conspiracy theories about Reid, but after seeing so many headlines about his massive injuries I have speculated that he was probably roughed up by his mob bosses... probably for failing to handle the Bundy Ranch situation! lol
 
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