Michael Tsarion on Race, Jordan Peterson, and Why Conspiracy Work is Spiritual Work |372|

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  1. Charlie Primero

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    I used to take motorcycle trips from Texas to Mena to ride up the Talamina Parkway mountain.

    Beautiful country!

    I found these graves there, but they are from a long time before the Clintons were importing cocaine there...

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    I see in my reflection that I was wearing full rain gear that day.
     
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    Indeed it is! In an attempt to get back on track with the conversation we could segue easily from that--Arkansas, once a quite closed, backwoods sort of place, has blossomed in the last 3 decades to a place where one could hardly recognize in some areas. Kind of like parts of many areas of the globe. Race ties into the Globalist agenda, which gets its money and power from the black and gray markets. Many well-meaning folks think Globalism is about 'paving the way for global democracy'. Yet, if you read the literature of the globalists it's clear their idea of democracy differs a great deal from the public perception of democracy.

    In the Globalist agenda, race and culture are intrinsically tied. I know you know this, but I'm writing for other readers here, present and future. To me, this is why 'identity politics' is important, whether we are talking race, gender, class, whatever.

    I understand the emphasis on this particular forum is toward race as it relates to consciousness and potentially the 'multiverse' but there is still the real and present danger which I think deserves further unpacking on this thread, if anyone is still willing to go there.
     
  3. Charlie Primero

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    Those working long-term for a global Marxist dictatorship take two approaches:

    First, they foment racial, ethnic, and economic conflict inside countries to weaken national governments.

    Second, they try to destroy all global diversity because local customs, local economies, local cultures, and local races promote allegiance to local governments, not their global government.
     
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    Okay, so Globalist agenda = bad? Is Nationalism or its variants somehow more noble and less corrupt? Aren't those interested in power, wealth and control going to operate regardless of what geopolitical 'ism is trending?

    And aren't many of these "identities" that seem so dear simply transient on a longer time scale? Are folks saying we should strive to make these groups permanent and immutable?
     
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    I have hesitated to jump into this extremely loaded and emotional thread, but I wanted to ask some questions and make a few observations.

    First, Charlie -- a genuine question and I do not mean to pick on you: But I think several pages back on this thread you mentioned that you have adopted grandchildren from Africa-- and I assumed that meant black children? Yet you seem to suggest you want to form an "all white" community where the non-whites will feel unwelcome enough to leave. I am genuinely curious about how that would work with your own adopted grandchildren? Are you not supportive of your child(ren)'s choice to adopt non-whites? How is this affecting family dynamics right now (if you care to share)? I just find this so curious!

    I am also curious about how easy it would be to determine who is "white." I have a niece and nephew by marriage -- with a white father and (half) black mother. The niece is dark skinned and would clearly be considered "black" to most people, while the nephew is very light skinned, no traces of "black" heritage at all -- he would easily "pass" for white. Would he be allowed in such a community because he "looks" white? And if so, how can this be right, where he is just as "black" as his sister? Or would people need to prove their genetic history of whiteness? Sorry, but it all sounds just so awful and racist in an ugly sort of way -- maybe that's because I live in California, where I have many friends/acquaintances of different races -- and I see the real battle to be fought as a class war, not a race war. The race and gender divides just depress me. I feel we are being manipulated to turn against one another instead of against those creating these divides for their own benefit and maintenance of power.

    I find myself so torn between left and right positions and ideologies. A life-long liberal who (now regretfully) voted for Clinton and Obama (twice), I now find myself disgusted and enraged by certain liberal/progressive positions and hypocrisies -- and the desire to be seen as so "tolerant" of alternative preferences/behaviors that even deviant, criminal behavior is also defended as part of a misguided tolerance spectrum. Too much deep diving into deep state shenanigans has made me a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms and form citizen militias. And yet, I believe in regulations to protect the environment and our food systems (if only the regulatory agencies were actually functioning and not industry captured). I certainly do not trust businesses to regulate themselves for the benefit of society. I am also anti-war -- and am so disheartened to see liberal friends ignoring the hawkish pro-war positions of their favorite "liberal" politicians. And yet, I just cannot identify with what appears to be racist, white supremacist positions of the Alt Right -- it makes me cringe, hurts my heart to hear them. I just cannot identify with it. Am I misunderstanding the position? I am far from a Pollyanna, but seriously, can't we all learn to get along? IMO, there is a much bigger metaphysical battle being fought here - a battle between good and evil -- and these sides are absolutely not divided by race or gender.
     
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  6. Charlie Primero

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    I LOVE my adopted Black grandchildren. I just got finished helping them do their homework. My wife and I took them to see Peter Rabbit and then to CiCi's Pizza last Saturday. Had a blast.

    Our family would not be able to live in the White Ethno-State, but this is not about me, or my family. White People are only 9% of the world's population and dwindling fast due to low birthrates and miscegenation. If we don't take measures to preserve ourselves, we will die out.

    I like Diversity. I like exotic cultures, foreign customs, and variety in ways of living. I don't want what Marxism wants, a bland, one-world economic and legal system of beat-down, atomized, rootless, mindless, TV-watching economic units that were once upon a time people.
     
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  7. Charlie Primero

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    I understand. I felt the same way due to decades of social conditioning until I actually took time to study the matter.

    Whiteness is not just a skin color. It's an ethnicity. It's two thousand years of social customs, religious traditions, and shared history.

    Who is White is really not the big deal people make it out to be. We are somehow able to figure it out who's White when it's time to sign up for a college loan, or a job application, or census form. They somehow know when it's time to blame White People for something.

    Like I said above, it's a spectrum. Just because there are Grey areas does not mean Black and White don't exist.

    How White somebody needs to be to live in the White Ethno-State will be up to the people who live in that nation, not you or I. We don't decide who is Japanese or who is Jewish enough to live in Israel. It's not your concern.
     
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    This is great, we ask questions but the thing is, no one at the top cares what we think. Still, let's humor ourselves.

    Globalism/Nationalism is cornering us again in dichotomous thinking. There are aspects to each which are good and which are bad. But what we have now is a Kakistocracy, that is, rule by the worst elements of society. These are career criminals, not just at the top of our US pyramid, but at the top of the global pyramid.

    How were these families "made"? It's public record now, but folks don't care and they don't pay attention. Instead, they watch Hollywood films glorifying mafia figures which goes from the Kennedy clan, to the Bush's, Clinton's, tied right into the royal family , all well-documented, with the agenda written in public records available all over the net.

    WE get the government we deserve.
     
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  9. Charlie Primero

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    I empathize. I studied politics at University. I was an Officer in the GOP trying to get Ron Paul elected. I used to work as a Caseworker in the office of a democratic U.S. Congressman.

    The only true, reliable thing I learned from all that is: The further decision-making and power are from the people, the more corrupt, exploitative, and Evil it is. That's axiomatic. You can hang your hat on it.

    Washington D.C. should not be making policy for Gnome, Alaska. The Soviet Politburo should not be making policy for Kiev. Beijing should not be making policy for Nigeria.

    All your concerns about regulation, exploitative businesses, the environment, guns, welfare, health care, etc. are best decided about by local people, for the local people.

    The Global Marxism being pushed by corporations today is the exact opposite of that. This is why I beg people to resist it. It's the most important thing.
     
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    I agree completely with this piece of Marxist analysis. :)
     
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    Hmmmm, maybe Skeptiko's current off-topic problems are an indication that it wasn't necessarily the wisest decision for Alex to delete the general discussion sub-forum.
     
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    definitely not! how could anyone interested in talking about this episode possibly sort thru this.
     
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    I closed and deleted all those subforums. many folks asks me to restore access to them. I did. they are still closed to new posting.
     
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    Sorry, I meant closed. But I do feel bad for responding to and extending off topic tangents (I don't think I've initiated too many) and shall henceforth endeavour not to do so.

    Peace.

    EDIT: I think my point on keeping a general discussion sub-forum going is that it gives mods the opportunity to split and move off-topic tangents.... or tell people to take their rants to another sub-forum.
     
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    I suppose it does sound rather Marxist -- and I admit I believe capitalism is generally exploitative (and now completely corrupted/rigged beyond repair) and that, in an ideal world where shitbags didn't exist, I would lean towards some kind of very localized socialist-capitalist hybrid, but unfortunately it seems that power will corrupt every form of governmental control system/ism, and it's never the cream that rises to the top.

    Hard to know where these shows will take conversations -- but I'm happy to avoid political talk too. It never seems to end well.
     
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    Agree completely! But, just need to refine one thing, "being pushed by corporations today" does not emphasize the fact that this is a public-private partnership, globally. That is, the 'arm' of the state being used for the aims of the industry. Who gets lost there every time? The people, the collective, but more importantly, the individual.

    When we read the greatest literature of those under Soviet occupation, we can see the 'totalitarian tiptoe', we can hear this from direct stories in our own lifetimes, the agenda, and the means to achieve the ends have not changed much, that is, control, only the means have become far more sophisticated.

    As great timing, a fav veteran journalist of mine, Jon Rappoport just posted on this very thing and I couldn't agree more with his analysis, and his creative way of expressing it.

    The World on Trial, Will Globalism/Socialism Win?
    "These words—Socialism and Globalism—are a mystery to most people. What do they mean? Why do they matter?
    They matter because, behind the mask, they indicate massive centralized power at the top of the food chain. They aren’t “movements on behalf of the people.” They aren’t “humanitarian solutions to our problems.”

    The massive power I refer to consists of governments, mega-corporations, banks, foundations, and technocrats working together, colluding, cooperating, planning a future of control over the world population.

    Before he was killed in the shoot-down of Korean Airlines Flight 007 (1983), Congressman Larry McDonald stated: “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control… Do I mean conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/02/28/the-world-on-trial-will-globalism-socialism-win/
     
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  17. Charlie Primero

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    The on-going war is actually thousands of years old.

    The core of Civilization is the basic family unit of Father + Mother + Children. All good things flow from that; safety, prosperity, art, education, community, peace, and cooperation.

    As I said above, the further decision-making and power are from local communities of families, the more corrupt, exploitative, and evil it becomes.

    Consider the exact opposite of local authority. It's what we see that flourishing in China and the U.S. today.

    Centralized control. Destruction of local authority. Mega-corporations working with governments to turn people into mindless, closely surveillance, rootless worker-bots whose only value is the quantity of profits they provide for the Public/Private Partnership of Google, Samsung, Goldman Sachs, and the Dongfeng Motor Group.

    Old early 20th century terms like Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism don't even apply anymore.

    If the most efficient worker-bot is a 70 I.Q. healthy male satiated after his shift at the factory with a Virtual Reality head-set for porn, sweet vitamin and narcotic-infused gruel, and an A.I. hologram apartment companion for a mate, then that's what "Globalism" will install, and it is.

    Grandparents? Babies? That funny spinster Aunt? The extended family? Obsolete. Inefficient. Subversive.

    All your quaint local Arkansas or Thai customs and cultures be damned. Progressive Progress demands it!

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  18. Deaglan MacCanna

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    Forgive me for not honouring your response with a reply. My life took a radical shift and I needed about 3 weeks to get my bearings.

    We can judge it by the impact the process is having. Granting a few assumptions, like the evolution of consciousness having a general idea of where it's going (instead of haphazardly creating "mutations") and the primacy of Human Consciousness (an impression most people are left with after a mystical experience either by Grace, drug induced, or an NDE), the current state of our multicultural societies don't make any sense. I can't speak for inner-city South Africa, but for the rest of the world we're suffering from ghettoization, racial conflict, unusually-high crime, and a sharp decrease in compassion. Millions are suffering in numerous ways from being piled in on top of each others. A big part of this comes down to simple ethnic biology - people of different ethnic/tribal extraction have less compassion for each other. Many cultures see the women and children of others as no better than farm animals deserving of rape. These are the cultures we're trying to smush together. If we do manage to impose a national ethos on a collection of different ethnic peoples and instill that from birth so they don't steal from and rape each other, we've just gone and recreated the United States or some other post-colonial country. At that point we won't even need Hollywood, chain-store capitalism, and a shitty common language to be imposed upon us, because we'll be creating our own version of it in order to cater to the lowest common denominator amoung all these groups. Eventually, all that will be left of any of these component groups will be the lowest common denominator. At that point we'll have lost the most compelling argument for multiculturalism, which is that "meeting" you mentioned. We'll all eventually be the same in the end.

    I like other cultures, other peoples, other towns and cities. The end game of multiculturalism, inescapably, is the destruction of that diversity. We may enjoy the mix of cultures in our countries today, but we're confined to a very small slice of space-time. We have to try really hard to conceive of a future we won't be around for and re-evaluate our attitudes today.

    Like with most things, I'm an outlier. I routinely reject the standard package, seek the truth on my own, as well as converse with great minds. My position on Christianity is rare, but it's a growing position. I do think it was a tragic turn for our people, but what's done is done. It's who we are now, and things could be a whole lot worse. We could evolve as a people into a new understanding of plurality as apposed to a one-man Logos, but that won't happen through hostility and bemoaning the past. We have to give respect and credit to what Christianity has brought us in Theology and Philosophy, and build from there.

    God bless, my Brother.
     
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    Hey, thanks for the reply. I wouldn't argue with your list of the world's current ills.... I'd just disagree on the causes..... and the direction I reckon we should collectively be trying to move in.

    Also, I hope your life has radically shifted in a good way.

    Peace.
     
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    Woah... I think I’ll be leaving the forum after reading this discussion. I’ll just stick to the podcasts, sheez!
     

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