Discussion in 'Consciousness & Science' started by Wormwood, Feb 27, 2018.
Can you edit your post to give us a link to that podcast please.
But why are we all consciously projecting flying saucers? For that theory to be true it would need to be a mass and uniform hallucination. We are all fascinated by genitalia, flying aircraft etc? Hard to imagine that masses are projecting flying saucers, which sometimes abduct them, and perform medical tests on them (which don't always involve genitalia btw). People are fascinated by a lot of things, but we are collectively projecting saucers, alien beings, medical testing etc.? All these phenomenon fit together. Im obsessed with peanut butter and baseball, as are many, and my niece is obsessed with unicorns, but I don't know of any cases where little red men fly down on unicorns and offer people peanut butter or a game of catch.
Well, its not my theory as I don't have one. My point is only that this doesn't really fit into any box we have constructed yet, and cases could be made for many theories if you want to make them and are willing to overlook conflicting evidence to do so. I wouldn't be too certain as to the peanut butter and game of catch - as they have been reported to have made pancakes for people. http://www.anomalist.com/reports/pancakes.html This stuff gets very weird.
Yea I gotcha. Its extraordinarily complicated and very bizzare. To be honest, I don't really even completely believe my own theory here. Because its likely extraordinarily more complex than Ive framed it. Im more exploring and having fun with ideas than anything.
I have a lot of sympathy for this idea, particularly when you generalise it to be spiritual aliens. Without that concept, the puzzle of the origin of life just gets pushed back to the puzzle of the origin of life of the alien species.
For me, it is the molecular evidence that is particularly convincing. The sheer quantity of molecular machinery that has to be assembled to get reproducing organism off the ground, is amazing. Remember that all this machinery has to 'evolve' without any benefit of natural selection - at least not in a very strong form - because the inheritance mechanism is yet to be made functional. Conventional biologists waive their hands in the air to supply answers.
I am not a Christian either (since age 20), because I think the probability that any one religion has a unique insight into reality is very slight, and my feeling is that all religions are a unique blend of politics, and some original spiritual insight, watered down over time. When I left Christianity I became an atheist, but now I am simply open minded.
The only thing that makes me wonder about UFO's, is that they seem to be at the same time very advanced and rather primitive. I mean even we have advanced to the point where DNA samples can be obtained from a cheek swab, so for me these strange encounters remain an incredible mystery.
@Wormwod Don't forget I have magical powers here, so I know what you wrote in your deleted post
I have been rather busy recently, so I haven't yet watched your link - but I definitely intend to do so - thanks for adding it.
As I understand it, a tulpa is a kind of second, benign, personality in the mind created deliberately for interest or fun. As such, the idea fits (just about) within materialism, but a tulpa generated by collective consciousness falls way outside materialism! There is nothing wrong with that, but I tend to feel that non-material reality is very hard to characterise meaningfully. I mean maybe some non-material humans decided to devise the earth biosphere with its biochemistry we now enjoy!
Edit: Sorry but I didn't listen to too much of that link, it was an hour and a half long and didn't seem terribly convincing. I gave up when he explained that he was (or thought be might be) some sort of alien human hybrid! If someone can suggest am interesting position to jump to, I'll try a bit more!
Wow I had never even considered that. These molecules don’t produce offspring.
I don’t remember what I deleted but I do edit posts maybe more than I should. I just always want to make sure I’m getting my point across as effectively as possible while being polite. It’s an OCD thing. Kinda.
Exactly. There have been various schemes considered such as RNA world. The idea here is that maybe chunks of RNA came first (even though now RNA is an intermediate between DNA and protein synthesis) and that the RNA was itself catalytic. That simplifies the machinery somewhat - but I think few people believe in that scheme any more because the RNA is too unstable. Th molecular reproduction seems to be handled by hand waiving!
Breakaway Civilization Con Job or freakin Demons does fit the testimonial evidence better than the absurd idea that a race is so advanced they have command of telepathy, creative genetics, can travel at super-light speeds, or perhaps even jump across spooky "dimensions", still needs to scrape samples out of old ladies with instruments, and have difficulty navigating thunderstorms without crashing.
Yea youre right that is strange
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