My theory of UFOs (honest opinions/rebuttals wanted)

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Listened to a podcast from Beyond the Darkness a few weeks ago. They interviewed an older gentleman who had been abducted all his life, had sex with aliens, the whole bit. One claim he made that I found interesting was that these beings conceptualize their craft in their reality and slide it over here and it becomes physical matter. They don't even have to figure everything out, just imagine what they want it to do, and viola!
Can you edit your post to give us a link to that podcast please.

David
 
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I dunno. For my money, an equally convincing case could be made that they are some kind of tulpa generated by the collective human consciousness. The reason they are fascinated by human genitalia and anuses is because we are. The reason they don't want us to blow ourselves up is because they'd go too. ;)

I don't get why people think actual biological aliens would want to or even could breed with humans. Heavens to betsy. Thats like trying to hybridize a human with a jellyfish, and we share a common ancestor. smh.

Listened to a podcast from Beyond the Darkness a few weeks ago. They interviewed an older gentleman who had been abducted all his life, had sex with aliens, the whole bit. One claim he made that I found interesting was that these beings conceptualize their craft in their reality and slide it over here and it becomes physical matter. They don't even have to figure everything out, just imagine what they want it to do, and viola!

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/Chosen-Chronicle-of-an-Alien-Abductee
But why are we all consciously projecting flying saucers? For that theory to be true it would need to be a mass and uniform hallucination. We are all fascinated by genitalia, flying aircraft etc? Hard to imagine that masses are projecting flying saucers, which sometimes abduct them, and perform medical tests on them (which don't always involve genitalia btw). People are fascinated by a lot of things, but we are collectively projecting saucers, alien beings, medical testing etc.? All these phenomenon fit together. Im obsessed with peanut butter and baseball, as are many, and my niece is obsessed with unicorns, but I don't know of any cases where little red men fly down on unicorns and offer people peanut butter or a game of catch.
 
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But why are we all consciously projecting flying saucers? For that theory to be true it would need to be a mass and uniform hallucination. We are all fascinated by genitalia, flying aircraft etc? Hard to imagine that masses are projecting flying saucers, which sometimes abduct them, and perform medical tests on them (which don't always involve genitalia btw). People are fascinated by a lot of things, but we are collectively projecting saucers, alien beings, medical testing etc.? All these phenomenon fit together. Im obsessed with peanut butter and baseball, as are many, and my niece is obsessed with unicorns, but I don't know of any cases where little red men fly down on unicorns and offer people peanut butter or a game of catch.
Well, its not my theory as I don't have one. My point is only that this doesn't really fit into any box we have constructed yet, and cases could be made for many theories if you want to make them and are willing to overlook conflicting evidence to do so. I wouldn't be too certain as to the peanut butter and game of catch - as they have been reported to have made pancakes for people. http://www.anomalist.com/reports/pancakes.html This stuff gets very weird.
 
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Well, its not my theory as I don't have one. My point is only that this doesn't really fit into any box we have constructed yet, and cases could be made for many theories if you want to make them and are willing to overlook conflicting evidence to do so. I wouldn't be too certain as to the peanut butter and game of catch - as they have been reported to have made pancakes for people. http://www.anomalist.com/reports/pancakes.html This stuff gets very weird.
Yea I gotcha. Its extraordinarily complicated and very bizzare. To be honest, I don't really even completely believe my own theory here. Because its likely extraordinarily more complex than Ive framed it. Im more exploring and having fun with ideas than anything.
 
#25
I'm really just trying to figure all of this stuff out so if you feel you can blow my idea out of the water then please do. I don't have a personal attachment to this belief and am interested in hearing and considering yours. I'm far from an expert in this field, I'm just a curious guy who knows little. So please give me your thoughts. Also-I realize that much or all of my theory is not new or groundbreaking. Although some aspects of it I've never encountered before. Also, I have no idea if I'm actually right and to what degree I am right if I am even right at all.

I start with the lack of explanatory power of Darwinian evolution. The staggering lack of transitional fossils and the Cambrian explosion etc, to me demonstrate a lot of deficiencies and lack of full explanatory power of the theory. Sure natural evolution probably does happen on some level, but it seems to me that some sort of intelligence facilitated the development of animals and us. Check the ID movement for thoughts on this. The best in the business that I know is Dr. Stephen Meyer.

The difference between Meyer and I as that I suspect that this "external creating agent" were probably Extra-Terrestrial beings (at least to the degree that they facilitated biological development of certain creatures), whereas he is a professed Christian. Here are my reasons for believing this.

1) We exist, and Neo-Darwinian evolution does not give us a solid foundation for understanding why our bodies exist

2) So many abduction cases report that they have sperm and/or eggs taken from them during their abductions. Just start listening to accounts and you will see what I mean. Other exams are also performed because, of course, ET wants to know how well it's genetically engineered organism is thriving.

3) Mary Rodwell, whom Alex interviewed states that she has looked into the genetic aspect of it and feels that the evidence leads to the belief that we are hybrids of some sort that had to be artificially manipulated. (I know nothing about this personally, just reporting what she said and that it seems to fit my idea).


What is their motive? Before I talk about motive, let me explain what I think about them. I had a conversation with a friend who writes frequently online about these things, and we both agreed that this increased ability to converse and compile information about spiritual matters on the internet (NDE's, OBE's STE and even abductions) along with quantum physics will eventually begin to force a merger of science and spirituality. There are lots of new forums like this and Facebook groups which are now existing and people like us are really learning about this stuff at a rate far unparalleled in history. When mainstream academia finally figures out and realizes that we are immersed in a spiritual existence, it is me and my friends hope that this will lead to something like a Utopia of spiritually enlightened people. This is a long time away and we wont see it. But I feel that other civilizations have already reached this point. They've realized that spirituality is key. They are advanced scientifically and spiritually. When a civilization becomes spiritually enlightened and technologically advanced, they may be able to harness spiritual powers. A brief list of a couple of these reported during abductions

1) Mary Rodwell reported that in her huge survey, most people characterized their abduction experience as positive, with only a minority reporting that their experience was traumatic and negative.
2) Most people state that these ET communicate using Telepathy. This is the standard norm of communication in the spirit world according to most NDErs.
3) People have reported experiencing feelings of intense love, similarly reported during NDE's

2 and 3 above, are either indicative of spirits in pure form, or highly spiritually advanced physical beings.

ET's were created the same way we were, or perhaps more directly by God/Creator/Source. I like Tom Campbells ideas concerning the simulation hypothesis. This simulation hypothesis is supported by quantum physics and it makes metaphysical sense. We are essentially conscious beings who are currently residing in these bodies (avatars). The Pre-birth memory data along with between life memory data strongly suggests that we simply choose bodies as avatars in order to come into this simulation to grow spiritually as we learn lessons. ET, in the creative spirit of their (our?) creator or other ET above them, tinkered with life here on Earth and manipulated biological organisms which reached the point that souls could use them properly as avatars for spiritual beings. And perhaps, some of them incarnate here on Earth as a human after they die, as many past life regression patients remember lives on other planets as other beings.

As NDE'rs will tell you, a main lesson which they learned during their experience was one of interconnectedness. ET is obviously not here to kill us or take us over. That could've been easily achieved already. But they are spiritually inclined enough to know that we are all interconnected. All consciousness shares a source and has this connection. Therefore, they are interested in us because they are wise enough to know that what happens to us might affect them spiritually as we are all connected, not to mention the fact that they HELPED to bring our bodies into existence. This is why the spend lots of time around nuclear missile facilities and military bases. They are interested in our ability to destroy ourselves. They ARE NOT scared of our weapons. That I can guarantee.

When people are abducted, these aliens do not seem like sadists and they return people to their lives generally unharmed. They seem very friendly at times and sometimes just business-like. But it seems clear that they are "not allowed" to really hurt us, generally. That's because our bodies (I say our bodies, because ET did not create US/our souls), were partially formed by them, and they have a vested interest because of the aforementioned interconnectedness, therefore they are probably under orders and are generally "good" themselves. But not all of them. Some are certainly more nefarious than others I am sure.

When people are abducted, it seems there is a clear business-like agenda. They perform medical tests ,largely, and collect reproductive tissue/samples frequently. Why would they be doing this? Well, if my theory is true, they would have very good reasons for doing this.

I do not suggest that ET created Earth and the Universe. Only that they are genetic engineers.
I have a lot of sympathy for this idea, particularly when you generalise it to be spiritual aliens. Without that concept, the puzzle of the origin of life just gets pushed back to the puzzle of the origin of life of the alien species.

For me, it is the molecular evidence that is particularly convincing. The sheer quantity of molecular machinery that has to be assembled to get reproducing organism off the ground, is amazing. Remember that all this machinery has to 'evolve' without any benefit of natural selection - at least not in a very strong form - because the inheritance mechanism is yet to be made functional. Conventional biologists waive their hands in the air to supply answers.

I am not a Christian either (since age 20), because I think the probability that any one religion has a unique insight into reality is very slight, and my feeling is that all religions are a unique blend of politics, and some original spiritual insight, watered down over time. When I left Christianity I became an atheist, but now I am simply open minded.

The only thing that makes me wonder about UFO's, is that they seem to be at the same time very advanced and rather primitive. I mean even we have advanced to the point where DNA samples can be obtained from a cheek swab, so for me these strange encounters remain an incredible mystery.

@Wormwod Don't forget I have magical powers here, so I know what you wrote in your deleted post :)

David
 
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I dunno. For my money, an equally convincing case could be made that they are some kind of tulpa generated by the collective human consciousness. The reason they are fascinated by human genitalia and anuses is because we are. The reason they don't want us to blow ourselves up is because they'd go too. ;)

I don't get why people think actual biological aliens would want to or even could breed with humans. Heavens to betsy. Thats like trying to hybridize a human with a jellyfish, and we share a common ancestor. smh.

Listened to a podcast from Beyond the Darkness a few weeks ago. They interviewed an older gentleman who had been abducted all his life, had sex with aliens, the whole bit. One claim he made that I found interesting was that these beings conceptualize their craft in their reality and slide it over here and it becomes physical matter. They don't even have to figure everything out, just imagine what they want it to do, and viola!

https://www.podcastone.com/episode/Chosen-Chronicle-of-an-Alien-Abductee
I have been rather busy recently, so I haven't yet watched your link - but I definitely intend to do so - thanks for adding it.
As I understand it, a tulpa is a kind of second, benign, personality in the mind created deliberately for interest or fun. As such, the idea fits (just about) within materialism, but a tulpa generated by collective consciousness falls way outside materialism! There is nothing wrong with that, but I tend to feel that non-material reality is very hard to characterise meaningfully. I mean maybe some non-material humans decided to devise the earth biosphere with its biochemistry we now enjoy!

Edit: Sorry but I didn't listen to too much of that link, it was an hour and a half long and didn't seem terribly convincing. I gave up when he explained that he was (or thought be might be) some sort of alien human hybrid! If someone can suggest am interesting position to jump to, I'll try a bit more!

David
 
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For me, it is the molecular evidence that is particularly convincing. The sheer quantity of molecular machinery that has to be assembled to get reproducing organism off the ground, is amazing. Remember that all this machinery has to 'evolve' without any benefit of natural selection -l

David
Wow I had never even considered that. These molecules don’t produce offspring.
 
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@Wormwod Don't forget I have magical powers here, so I know what you wrote in your deleted post :)

David
I don’t remember what I deleted but I do edit posts maybe more than I should. I just always want to make sure I’m getting my point across as effectively as possible while being polite. It’s an OCD thing. Kinda.
 
#29
Wow I had never even considered that. These molecules don’t produce offspring.
Exactly. There have been various schemes considered such as RNA world. The idea here is that maybe chunks of RNA came first (even though now RNA is an intermediate between DNA and protein synthesis) and that the RNA was itself catalytic. That simplifies the machinery somewhat - but I think few people believe in that scheme any more because the RNA is too unstable. Th molecular reproduction seems to be handled by hand waiving!

David
 
#30
...somehow the idea that demons are running around masquerading as innerplanatory brings, forming solid ships, and doing experiments on people, allowing people to approach the vessel and touch it (as reported in the rendelshsem case verified by multiple military officers) is definitely not silly and fits the data better.
Breakaway Civilization Con Job or freakin Demons does fit the testimonial evidence better than the absurd idea that a race is so advanced they have command of telepathy, creative genetics, can travel at super-light speeds, or perhaps even jump across spooky "dimensions", still needs to scrape samples out of old ladies with instruments, and have difficulty navigating thunderstorms without crashing.
 
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Breakaway Civilization Con Job or freakin Demons does fit the testimonial evidence better than the absurd idea that a race is so advanced they have command of telepathy, creative genetics, can travel at super-light speeds, or perhaps even jump across spooky "dimensions", still needs to scrape samples out of old ladies with instruments, and have difficulty navigating thunderstorms without crashing.
Yea youre right that is strange
 
#33
I listen to these videos at night on my iPad with earbuds while laying in bed.

That is a bad habit because I often fall asleep at 9:30pm and wake up at 5:00am with it still running.

No telling what kind of weird stuff has been injected into my head all night! :)
 
#34
This week’s episode of The Higherside Chats supports my thesis that UFO’s are man-made, operate on electro-gravitics, a technology purposely hidden from us for 100 years with retarded Einsteinian Physics to protect the inhuman scam of petroleum billionaires like J.Paul Getty, Rockefeller [Exxon], Queen Elizabeth [BP], and the House of Saud [Aramco].



#Petroleum #Scam #Environment #UFO #BreakawayCivilization #Conspiracy #FreeEnergy #ET #Alien #Fraud

https://www.thehighersidechats.com/dr-paul-laviolette-anti-gravity-propulsion-aether-physics-secret-
 
#35
Im actually almost totally on board with Jacques Vallees interpretation of the evidence at this point. He started by believing they are extra-terrestrials, but changed his tune after writing a couple of books which actually advocated the extra-terrestrial hypothesis. Shortly after, he developed a new theory. Its that theory which, in my opinion, matches the evidence much better.

Here’s a 5 minute video explaining it

 
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Or here, from Wikipedia:

Vallee proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.

Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée states that the evidence, if carefully analyzed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of unknown, highly advanced methods. Vallée states that it is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFOs is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate.[10] Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.
 
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