Pizzagate. Plus, Ex-FBI Undercover Agent Bob Hamer |357|

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  1. Mishelle

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    This is probably derailing again, sorry in advance. But, I share this sense of things being quite bleak and as this is probably the darkest rabbit hole I know of or can imagine, I just want to support you by sharing that it's not just some of us that feel this way and there are very powerful top-down agendas at play that makes it seem hopeless and not likely to get better soon. I think to connect with potential solutions we have to get to the source, all my varied diversions are with the intention to do that b/c I really think so much of this chaos is related and in some maybe many top cases, deliberately orchestrated.

    So, on that depressing note, here is what strikes me as an important quote from a long document of Paradox of Progress by the National Intelligence Council pg. 235

    The Next Five Years by Region Continued instability and significant political, economic, social, and environmental adjustments will mark the next five years worldwide. Although important differences will distinguish the world’s regions, all will experience urbanization; migration; and stresses related to environmental, ecological, technological, and climate changes. Many societies will not succeed completely in efforts to lock in the development achievements of the past two decades—especially for the new members of their middle classes—highlighting governance shortfalls for rich and poor countries alike. Advanced information technology will amplify differences over inequality, globalization, politics, and corruption, while perceived humiliation and injustice will spur protests and violent mobilization. Structural shifts in the world’s economies—from technology and finance that create wealth without creating jobs to growing debt that burdens future growth—will fuel these changes. Discontent will drive many societies to populist, nativist, or nationalist leaders; others may soberly reevaluate what citizens owe one another when facing unsustainable costs. Fragmentation of regions and states is possible—even likely—if multiple centers of geopolitical power emerge.
    • Economic stress. The most significant global economic uncertainty of the next five years will be China’s growth: how successfully Beijing maintains economic growth and foreign investment, and how effectively—even whether—it manages an overdue transition from an export- and investment-driven economy to one based on consumer-led growth. China’s economy expanded from 2 percent of global GDP in 1995 to 14 percent in 2015, and it has been the greatest source of global growth for several years; a sharp economic deceleration in China would undermine growth elsewhere and slow worldwide progress on poverty reduction. During such a slump, many governments would face increasing public pressure for reforms that promote employment and inclusive growth, changes that might threaten their control and ability to provide benefits to political supporters.
    • Political stress. Few governments are poised to make such political and economic reforms, and many states simply lack the capacity to address the challenges they face. In the Middle East and North Africa, such shortcomings will combine with societal and geopolitical forces to produce— or prolong—turmoil and violence. In the developed West, public disillusion will find expression in populist or reformist voices that seek to address wealth and power imbalances. In East and South Asia and Latin America, dissatisfaction with corruption, crime, and environmental, health, and urban stresses will continue to stoke activism and demands for government response.
    • Societal stress. Societal confrontation and polarization—often rooted in religion, traditional culture, or opposition to homogenizing globalization—will become more prominent in a world of ever-improving communications. The new technologies are also likely to continue fueling political polarization and increasing the influence of extreme or fringe groups by improving their presence and reach. Militant extremist and terrorist groups will continue to have a transnational presence, still fragmented but sharing ideas and resources with organizations in Africa, the Arab world, and South and Southeast Asia. The spread of existing or emergent infectious diseases will remain a risk for all nations and regions, but particularly for governments that lack the capacity to prepare for such a crisis.
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    • Geopolitical stress. Major-power competition and the risk of conflict will intensify in the next five years, reflecting a fraying of the current international system and the ambitions of China and Russia for greater status and influence. States and nonstate actors alike will wield new and nontraditional forms of power, such as cyber capability and social networks, to shape outcomes and create disruption. The emergence of multiple, rival power centers is possible in the next five years if regional aggression and flouting of international norms go unchecked.
    • Environmental stress. Scientists report that 2016 was the hottest year recorded since the instrumental record began in 1880, and 16 of the 17 hottest years have occurred since 2000. Although predicting temperature trends over short intervals is difficult because of internal climate variability, the baseline global temperature clearly will be higher over the next five years. This warming has implications for storms and rainfall, melting ice, rising sea level, and the general conditions under which people live. The impact of the change will be especially acute for the substantial share of the world population concentrated in climate-vulnerable areas, such as coastal cities and urban centers with strained water resources."
     
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  2. AryaS

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    Here is a study that purportedly collected and categorized certain "audience responses" to the Luke Malone "non-offending pedo" article -- in order to see whether "reframing" pedophiles as being distinct from child sexual abusers (i.e., according to this study, child sex abusers are those who actually rape children, whereas pedophiles are people who only want to rape children, but refrain from making contact and perhaps only watch other people raping children via child porn) would cause people to view "non-offending" pedos more sympathetically, thus supposedly allowing policymakers to better frame efforts to provide resources/treatment for those pedophiles (now with citizen buy-in). This certainly suggests to me that there is an agenda to normalize pedophilia. In other words: throw the idea out there that pedophiles are distinct from child rapists and thus deserving of sympathy, resources, and disability status -- and see if the population will take the bait. Collect and analyze their responses. Did it work yet? If not -- perhaps regardless of people's real responses, manipulate/skew the data so that people are left believing that more people responded "positively" to this attempt to reframe pedophilia than "negatively," so that those reasonably objecting to this blatant manipulation/slippery slope are falsely led to believe they are in the minority.

    https://digital.lib.washington.edu/researchworks/handle/1773/34843

    Not surprisingly, I have a couple of problems with this "study" -- not least of which is the fact that we are all lab rats in a continuing social engineering project leading us straight to Brave New World.

    1. First, as the author herself notes, the results of this study's "mostly positive" responses to the Malone article are inherently skewed because the study is only collecting and analyzing the responses to Malone's article made by the liberal leaning audience utilizing This American Life's facebook page. Thus, as the author herself notes, the audience purportedly providing the responses is not representative of the general population and should not be used to come to a conclusion about how well the rest of the lab rats are accepting this current agenda. Getting the majority of people to tolerate and sympathize with people who want to rape children will hopefully be harder than it currently seems. (and yes, I think it is important to keep saying rape -- people should not sugarcoat what the actual desires of pedophiles are here).

    2. Second, it seems clear that the sample "negative" responses included were meant to paint a picture of uneducated and intolerant people responding only with violent knee-jerk revulsion to the subject matter ("put a bullet in their heads" "they should have no rights," etc.) so that many people (particularly "good liberals") would not identify with those comments or want to be aligned with the type of "intolerant" people making them. Missing is any well-articulated: (1) broader objection to the social engineering/manipulation aspect of the article, (2) doubts about the article's legitimacy and/or manipulative use of a 16 year old protagonist to represent pedophiles (a "child" himself and thus far more sympathetic than an older male); (3) outrage over the suggestion that infants/young children "like" being raped, or (4) legitimate concern over the consequences of turning deviant/criminal behavior/pathology into a protected disability and how that could play out in the employment/education context with protective statutes like Title VII prohibiting discrimination on the basis of "sex" and the ADA prohibiting discrimination on the basis of a "disability."

    Do I want pedophiles to get help for their deviant thoughts/inclinations? Do I want pedophiles who have not yet made contact but only support child rape via watching hard core porn to seek treatment? YES.

    But consider what we are being asked to ultimately allow should this reframing agenda succeed. (e.g., protected/disability status, the easing or removal of mandatory reporting laws, focus on the offenders rather than the victims, etc.).

    I don't "direct" this thread, Laird, and you are obviously free to post whatever you want. I merely believe that the focus here should be on the existence and exposure of pedophiles and sex trafficking rings -- and the devastating impact it has on the victims.
     
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  3. AryaS

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    This is a NYT article from 2004 but well worth the read if you have the stomach for it. Describes how underage girls and boys are trafficked into the U.S via Mexico., the hot spots for trafficking (Disneyland is a big one), the disgusting use of these young girls and boys for sex by american males (e.g.., the story talks of one american man who read Bible passages to his trafficked 7 year old purchase, before raping her), and the apparent growing desire for inflicting violence upon these young victims as more and more men watch hard core porn and need to up the ante to get their jollies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/magazine/the-girls-next-door.html


    Again I have to ask: Who are these men who instead of helping these young victims, trick them into sexual slavery, rape them, purchase them, torture them, allow them to be placed in their american basements while they watch TV with their own families, etc? Who are these men who become police officers only to be facilitators in human misery? And do you really have any doubt that this is going on at the elite levels?

    It appears that slavery never went away -- it just went underground -- and largely under the complicit media's radar.
     
  4. LetsEat

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    There's significant evidence that the deep state/shadow government use violent sexual crimes to induct members into their union as a form of Mutually Assured Destruction: http://anonhq.com/mi5-bribed-politician-pedophiles-says-independent-probe/

    We know that a single psychopath can abuse several hundred children alone (I assume here that someone who could do such a thing is a psychopath), so there is the psychopathy angle. I would argue that the sheeplike nature of many people plays into their enabling, like a cult leader that rapes his members who will then swear up and down that he is innocent while castigating members who come forward.

    There's also the demonic possession angle, I think wormwood had a good thread on this. http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...rmal-entities-based-upon-years-of-study.4031/

    To be honest I favor the demonic possession angle, I'd rather believe its some outside evil corrupting people over believing that humanity is this unimaginably vile as to allow these things to fester in plain sight.
     
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    I am afraid I didn't have the stomach to read that, but clearly open (or very porous) borders - much beloved by the New Left - are a big part of this problem. This is no doubt part of the reason that the New Left hate the president so very much.

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  6. Mishelle

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    Well, I did read it and while terribly disturbing what most struck me is the Bush promise to go after these criminals. Obviously that didn't happen. Now Trump promises the same, and I'm struck between rolling my eyes and blind wishful thinking. I also remarked on the women's role in this trafficking as significant as early manipulators and trainers and the village turncoats doing the ground-based dirty work in recruitment and additional fear tactics on the girls/boys knowing their families are endangered based on their poor performance or lack of obedience. A living hell for their entire short lives.

    As I've mentioned on other threads and maybe here too the corruption in those institutions still giving the global marching orders do not want this problem solved, that is very clear. Here is a great recent post by Michael Black, which reminds me of a now rather old docu-drama on this same issue, The Whistleblower, really worth a watch, but really tough to see.

     
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  7. Charlie Primero

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    If you've never seen Kay Griggs testimony, it's a classic must-see.

    It took a week, but I actually watched this whole thing several years ago.



    "Kay Griggs, Former Marine Colonel's Wife, Talks Again About Military Assassin Squads, Drug Running, Illegal Weapon Deals And Sexual Perversion Deep Within The Highest Levels Of U.S. Military And Government.

    She first went public in 1996 after receiving death threats, being rescued by Sarah McClendon, former senior member of the White House press corps, who believed her story and took Griggs under her wing, giving her a place to stay and important advice about how to stay alive when dealing with military operatives.
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  8. LetsEat

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    The situation is far worse than this, the innocent aren't punished in Hell.
     
  9. David Bailey

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    Well he has certainly gone after the MS13 gangs, and getting properly controlled borders should also help.

    David
     
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  10. Mishelle

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    I do question if a focus on borders will improve the situation, I certainly hope so. But, it's a global issue, so while we might alleviate some of our problem here, there's a similar crisis in Europe that's being largely ignored by MSM.

    UK conspiracy of silence – rape gangs exposed – truth teller’s Twitter account shut down

    By Jon Rappoport

    "For MANY years, law enforcement in the UK has studiously ignored and rejected young girls’ claims of serial rape by gangs.

    These gangs “groom” the girls with drugs and alcohol—and eventually physical coercion. Sometimes the girls are trafficked to other locations in the country where they are preyed on and raped."

    Continue at:

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/...osed-truth-tellers-twitter-account-shut-down/
     
  11. Charlie Primero

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    It's the place to start.

    In the 1970's we laughed at the Soviet Union for imprisoning dissidents in mental hospitals for speaking truth about food shortages or gulags.

    Now people in much of Europe can get thrown in prison for stating simple, obvious facts. Marxists today don't even feel the need to claim the criminal is mentally ill like the Soviets did. Progressive.

    Patton knew we were fighting the wrong people.
     
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    These are mainly Muslim gangs, and it is deeply regrettable that our MSM chose to avoid mention of what has gone on for fear of causing offence to the Muslim communities! Totally beyond belief really! By now there have been many trials of these gangs, with long sentences handed out, but it is still not clear if the problem is really under control.

    Europe has let in a large number of Muslim men - most of whom are not refugees. Some of them have behaved pretty abominably. However Europe is changing - Italy has swung sharply to the 'right'. I put that word in quotes because I don't Left and Right mean the same thing in modern politics as they did in times gone by.

    I think many of us in Europe are cheered by President Trump, and I hope that in time his changes will come across the pond. Most of our media hate him as much as yours do. Frankly it isn't clear why. I think when Trump talked of draining the swamp, he damn well knew what he was talking about.

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    I know someone who came from Eastern Europe while it was Soviet controlled. We have talked about the parallels and differences quite a lot. While there are parallels, we still have elections, and all over Europe they are beginning to bear fruit. I am a member of UKIP, a party that opposes immigration and supported Brexit. I don't feel at risk of a knock on the door!

    My feel is that the 'Marxists' achieved a lot by stealth, but now they behave more openly and are antagonising people rather quickly.

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    What's so weird is that the slow, methodical 100-year campaign of "just the tip" employed by the Oxford Fabians was working wonderfully.

    Yet, they insist on suddenly accelerating things so hard the lumpenproletait are nudged awake.

    It's such a dumb move I honestly do not understand why they did it.
     
  15. Mishelle

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    The 'why' is the same here in the US and there I think. The media has had globalist/Marxist (esp. cultural Marxism) agenda since at least WWII. While we do have elections, those we can choose from have not deviated from the pro-war, pro-Israel, uber-materialistic stance for quite some time.

    I lived and taught in Czech Republic for 3 years just as the Soviets left and I traveled extensively through Eastern Europe. I witnessed as 'one Big Brother left and the other took over' (a fav quote from a Czech friend). They were far more politically savvy than Americans. Of course they were pleased to see their standard of living improve, and rather quickly and dramatically. However, I think many also regretted losing their beautiful cities to commercialism and tourism. Prague, for one, got a lovely coat of paint, along with kiosks all over the city displaying pornography at the exact height of a small child. Capitalism is a Trojan horse.

    One of the greatest skills they've lost over the decades since, which parallels this country exactly--they once were impressively self-reliant and sikovny (a great Czech word that means a bit like "handy", "skilled", "talented"). Whereas once they couldn't rely on the government for anything, they now turn to the government to solve all their problems. Whereas once the government confiscated their private properties (collectivized) in order to rent them back to the people, now the people are in debt slavery to their corporate owners. Just like us. Call it progress if you like, but I don't see it that way at all.
     
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    Arya, that is shocking and the Facebook spokesperson's response was bizarre. "It was a mistake"? Nice job media with the lack of a follow up question such as, "A mistake? How do these surveys get formulated and what team inside Facebook was responsible for setting up these questions for even consideration of use?"

    And how the hell wasn't this a lead story on the Today show and other mainstream media outlets that many parents routinely watch?

    Troubling.
     
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    I have no doubt there is an agenda and that FB is deep in deep state psy-op BS. It does seem though from several angles I trust that there is an honest move in opposition. Not that I want to jump on the Trump train now, or ever, but I can be opened again to a heightened level of optimism, with enough hard-core data to support that shift. Still, the atmosphere looks to be it will get worse before it gets better. She does speak specifically to pedophilia about half-way through.

     
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    Clinton Donor Clare Bronfman ‘Expects To Be Indicted’ In Sex Cult Child-Trafficking Case

    • Heiress to the Seagrams fortune

    • NXIVM leaders Keith Raniere and “Smallville” actress Allison Mack were arrested in Mexico and stand trial for human trafficking, child sex trafficking, and other crimes.

    • Parlato “believes himself to be Lucifer.”

    • Mexican girls and babies subjected to bizzare human experiments.

    • Richard Mays encouraged Clinton to indict their enemies

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/clint...-indicted-in-sex-cult-child-trafficking-case/
     
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