Psychic Robots - Psi Could Infuse A.I. Claims Dean Radin

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I'm not really sure whether 'infuse' is the right word but Dr Dean Radin certainly believes that if consciousness is primary it could 'inhabit' (not the correct word either!) a robotic brain and bring with it psychic abilities.
I found this interview a bit of a mind blower and initially rebelled at this psi-bot idea but then wondered if, as some believe, everything is conscious at some level, then why not a robot?
Dean plans to explore magic and shamanism in relation to parapsychology and modern science in his forthcoming book and this interview is stack full of topics I know members here will love to analyse and explore.
Over to you....
http://runesoup.libsyn.com/talking-psi-and-magic-dr-dean-radin?mc_cid=011ae852cf&mc_eid=a37d50831b
 
#3
It's a very interesting proposal, it would be like giving life to a new species. I'm neither a believer, nor non-believer in this possibility.

It however reminds me a bit of the Crone - http://weekinweird.com/2016/07/02/t...s-visits-from-a-terrifying-paranormal-entity/

One of the psychics which reviewed the haunted item reported that:

April also mentioned that whatever was contained within The Crone knew she could see it, and explain its purpose, and the entity wasn’t happy about it.
So, if we're to believe what the psychic reports, it seems the Crone has some kind of rudimentary self-consciousness.
 
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Sciborg_S_Patel

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Ah, I guess people can use that one to discuss spirituality and magick as practice but use this one to talk specifically about AI, robots, and Psi.

I think this really depends on what he means by AI, if he just means programs running on Turing Machines I doubt it. But if he means a recreation of relevant aspects of the brain, whatever those might be, then possibly yes. We're likely too early in the exploration of mental characteristics and quantum/field phenomenon to say anything one way or the other for the latter case.

There's already some research, IIRC, suggesting machines don't have mental capacity. It was an article in Edge Magazine, will try to dig it up...
 
#5
Thanks (I think) Max. That was the scariest story I'd read for a long time but comforted myself that these Reddit folk make a lot of stuff up and this was yet another fake tale.
But then it appears this museum and the folk who run it are real, other people are involved, so maybe the phenomena is real.
I'm never quite convinced with this idea of an object being infused in some way by evil intention so it becomes somehow animated. Surely it's more likely that a spirit becomes emotionally attached to such an object and becomes distressed or angry if it is moved or interfered with.
It's also possible that because of the nature of the Crone - definitely 'not nice' - then this alone cultivates fear emotion in living people which is maybe something a disturbed spirit might feed off.
Not quite sure how this all fits in with Radin's concepts - but he never did specify whether the consciousness he thought might inhabit robots had to be good or evil!
 
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Not quite sure how this all fits in with Radin's concepts - but he never did specify whether the consciousness he thought might inhabit robots had to be good or evil!
I just wanted to give an example of (supposedly) a semi self-conscious entity, which didn't come to 'life' by the normal organic way (like, supposedly, the super-AI robots should be somehow 'infused' by human intention)
 

Brian_the_bard

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#7
It's also possible that because of the nature of the Crone - definitely 'not nice' - then this alone cultivates fear emotion in living people which is maybe something a disturbed spirit might feed off.
Not quite sure how this all fits in with Radin's concepts - but he never did specify whether the consciousness he thought might inhabit robots had to be good or evil!
I wonder if the concept "nature" in this context has any value. Surely real consciousness allows for actions and reactions to be chosen according to the individual situation. What exactly constitutes a good or evil "nature?" Maybe I am bringing up too philosophical an issue for this thread but it would make an interesting discussion elsewhere.
 
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Sciborg_S_Patel

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Radin mentioned the importance of patterns instantiating minds - there's an article in the Syntropy Journal discussing this question not w/ respect to robots but the convergence of biological life toward intellectual capacity. I think if one accepted the ideas within the paper one could see how particular machines, assuming they are "digging" deep enough to the Infinite, could have psychic capacity:

The logic-mathematics structures and the convergence of cognitive capacities towards the source of this information: the infinity.


It must be considered that cognitive convergence involves processes that involve the interchange of information between organism and its environment. These processes include, for example, sensory and perceptual processing, learning mechanism, memory, behavioral flexibility. All these facts lead to two decisive questions: i) why do seemingly disparate ecological variables in completely different environments come together to influence similar cognitive behavior in such distantly related groups; ii) why the different organization of neural structures produced during evolution by the interaction between organisms and their environments exhibit similar cognitive abilities. In this paper, the above mentioned issues considered in the light of an earlier hypothesis (Yunes 2005) are discussed, to explain how is possible that the disparate ecological world variables can come together to influence the evolution of convergent cognition, and how different neural structures can evolve with convergent cognitive capacities
This hypothesis is guided by a new method of analysis called “ontological reductionism”, seeking to overcome the drawbacks of the traditional reductionism approach, which views a system as a sum of its parts, generally atoms and molecules. However, this approach does not determine the ultimate reality of the parts, or their relationship with the system formed. The precise objective of “ontological reductionism” is to determine the ultimate reality of the parts of a system and also their correspondence with the nature of the whole system. Thus, this method integrates two opposite tendencies: the reductionist and the holistic.

This method requires a logic and mathematics that are interconnected. The logic must be an intrinsic logic that, as Lucas (Lucas 2001) indicates, can accept extrinsic and systemic logic as special cases. Intrinsic logic needs to be an interactional, connectionist form of logic. In complex systems, the idea of “uniqueness” is dependent on our history. It comprises a number of dimensions and displacements, but the “now” is defined by how these all interact, in a network. The number of extrinsic pathways possible through the network grows exponentially with size and connectivity. Lucas writes: “A true measure of such intrinsic value would therefore approach infinity (especially in humans), as desired by intuitive axiological approaches to the value of a human life”. Mathematics, where we must observe as Franklin (Franklin 2014) affirms “that its truths are absolutely necessary, and that the human mind can establish those necessities and understand why they must be so. It is very difficult explain how a physical brain could do that”. Another important concept, also following to Franklin is that “It is impossible to escape the conclusion that pure mathematics reveals to us the topography of a region whose truths pre-existed our investigations an even our language” Other guide of this hypothesis is the great importance of knowing the driving forces behind the evolution of some emergent quality, in this case, the cognitive abilities, because there must exist a relationship, or coherence, between the nature of the driving forces and the cognitive abilities. In reality, what is needed, in this case, is the coherence among the conception of matter, that of life and that of cognitive abilities. Finally this hypothesis sees information, which has generally been neglected, as being of predominant importance in life and its evolution.
 
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