Retired USAF Officer 'Comes-Out' About His UFO Abduction

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  1. Psiclops

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    http://www.openminds.tv/retired-usa...-ufo-cabal-and-his-abduction-experience-1190/

    I have followed Robert Salas' career and the shut downs of nuclear missile bases as UFOs hover around them - but this is the first time I've heard him talk of a personal abduction experience.

    I applaud his courage in at last revealing this but suggest it will have detrimental effects on his credibility with the sceptics and maybe the public in general.

    I wonder what prompted him to tell all now? It has been suggested that the UFO incursions are an anti-nuclear warning by ETs - so is an abduction something to emphasise this?

    And if it's happened to Salas - what about other military personnel who have had similar experiences at bases? I wonder if they've been abducted too but don't talk about it?

    How about Salas for an interview Alex? I have his email.
     
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    By the strangest coincidence I have Jacques Vallee's number . . . I know the chances are slim, but I'd like an interview with him.
     
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    I have seen Salas interviewed on various documentaries, and he came across as very credible.

    I agree, it certainly won't help his case, but as you say, he may have been reluctant to share this earlier for fear of ridicule. I mean the UFO's scanning the warheads, and the base on high alert, radar information all speak for themselves, but an abduction experience wont show up on any radar, and is unlikely to be corroborated by many or any others.

    Tough one, don't know what to make of any of it myself sadly, other than to say, I cannot understand why someone like salas would need to make such a thing up, so perhaps I must extend him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    I've now been in contact with him about this and it's obvious his main commitment is the truth on this and all subjects - regardless of how it's taken by others.

    I get the feeling he's not alone among his peers in having a 'close encounter' experience.
     
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    He seems like he's getting older and has nothing to lose ? What might have been 'too personal' until now might feel important for others to know ?

    I don't think he'll be lying, or at least he'll believe it's true?
     
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    My feelings exactly
     
  7. chuck.drake

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    If you listen to Mike Clelland http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com, what these folks present to the public and what they share in private are often quite different. And another pattern he has vocalized over time is that as many of these folks get older they become more amenable to telling their entire story. It's a tough balance. Abduction is still seen by many as a kind of scarlet letter of nuttiness.
     
  8. Reece

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    I don't know if anyone's really interested, and I apologize for kinda pulling the subject . . .

    I read "Dimensions" by Vallee and loved it. Actually I first read "Authors of the Impossible" by Kripal and loved that, too. After reading Dimensions, I bought Confrontations (and also The Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries by Evans-Weintz (sp?)). On the inside of the front cover of Confrontations was a phone number. I called it (because it's something I do when presented odd information: check it out). It was an answering machine for Jacques Vallee. I pretty surprised that Jacques Vallee's phone number was scribbled inside the front cover of a paperback book of his I bought from some random online bookseller. Speaking of Mike Clelland, I actually wrote him and told him . . . I figured as much as he was into synchronicities, he'd find it interesting. He never replied, though.

    I suppose I should add that in my opinion, the whole alien/UFO stuff begins and ends with Vallee . . .
     
  9. chuck.drake

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    I don't think it is too hard to get hold of Vallee since he has a high profile venture capital firm in California. But I don't think he has much interest in being interviewed about UFOs any longer. I have a lot of respect for Vallee as well, but I think the mystery goes a little deeper.
     
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    Yeah, it's probably not hard to get in touch with him . . . I was still just surprised that, of all numbers scribbled in an old, worn out book written by Vallee was Vallee's number . . . I realize it's not all that cosmically improbable or anything . . .

    But what I've liked about him is, for one, the drawing on the fairy faith stuff, Fatima, and the cigar shaped ships - that evolution of the phenomena that tends to be overlooked elswhere . . . but seens very relevant. And more than that, really, is the fact that he sees it as neither strictly physical nor strictly psychological. Which is also pretty deep, in my opinion.

    Personally, I've never had any experience like those in any capacity whatsoever. So, to be honest, no matter how legit or honest I might believe people are, it's still weird stuff . . . and ultimately, I'm still basically just a curious outsider. I think that's just to say, my interest waxes and wanes, and I really don't know just a whole lot about the subject.
     
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    I always liked Vallee's books too......but to get back to Salas the subject of this thread.........

    I've just had an email from Robert Hastings, a friend of Salas, who featured him strongly in that famed Washington press conference about UFOs and nukes.

    It confirms what some of us suspected, that Salas is not alone among his peers in having an abduction experience.

    Here's the letter:

    All,
    As some of you undoubtedly know by now, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer Bob Salas recently revealed that he had an apparent UFO abduction experience in 1985.
    My latest article briefly addresses this development in the context of his previous revelations pertaining to the UFO-involved shutdown of his Minuteman missiles at Malmstrom AFB, Montana in 1967.
    A revelation of my own, in the last excerpted paragraph below, should also spark some interest on the Internet.
    The article is at http://www.theufochronicles.com/2013/11/the-echo-flight-ufo-incident-james.html
    Robert

    Excerpt (with inactive links):
    James Carlson has for years loudly proclaimed that Bob Salas was lying when he said that he had witnessed a UFO-related missile shutdown at Malmstrom in 1967.
    Nevertheless, by the time Carlson began his public vendetta against Salas in the late 1990s, Bob's former missile commander, retired Col. Frederick Meiwald, had already confirmed his own memory of the UFO-related events at Oscar Flight to Salas during a taped telephone conversation. Meiwald later wrote him a follow-up letter containing more details.

    Now, in the wake of Salas’ recent revelation about having had an apparent UFO abduction experience in 1985, the usual critics are gleefully sharpening their knives. Given their blanket rejection of anything UFO-related, Carlson and his crew can be expected to go after Salas with renewed viciousness.
    Importantly, six other former U.S. Air Force personnel have provided similar accounts to me in recent years. Those individuals had previously been involved in a nuts-and-bolts UFO incident in one of the nuclear missile fields operated by various Strategic Air Command bases. Then, weeks, months or years later, they allegedly had an experience comparable to the one now being revealed by Bob Salas. In short, his account is not unique.
     
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    That's really interesting. Thanks for posting that.
     
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    Actually it is pretty cool about the phone number.
     
  14. Hopeful

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    So I guess a question that comes to mind is, if these stories are true, what would an alien society care about a bunch of egotistical humans that deliberately attempt to destroy themselves on a daily basis? I mean, what stake would they have in this planet other than a few ideas of either colonization, exploitation or experimentation? Is this all possibly part of something bigger that even the most twisted sci-fi writer could never come up with?
     
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    Maybe after a few million years of 'development', they care for us because it's the right thing to do ?
     
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    Colonization, exploitation or experimentation seem to me like the mundane ideas we get in low-grade sci-fi movies.

    It may be that we are valuable, and what we do is important. If there is intervention it may be somewhat like (but shouldn't be considered the same thing as) a parent who snatches their child from the path of an oncoming bus. The child may be disturbed by this, but at least he or she hasn't been squashed flat by the bus.
     
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    So how would this fit in with taking semen - unless it's to preserve the 'silly children' in some form in case they blow themselves up.

    But if that's so, why target the guys who man the nukes? If they were interested in some kind of selective breeding and need the best stock they would surely abduct Skeptiko members!:)
     
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    I guess by experimentation, I meant that we are an experiment to them. Kinda like how we would look at an ant farm or a game of Sims or Civilization. We create a little society and then watch it come to fruition thru our actions or watch it be destroyed by our non-actions.
    Maybe we were created by Aliens or maybe they just came across us in their inter-dimensional or galactic explorations. Im just trying to figure out a reason they would have to care about our outcome as a species. What do they have to lose or gain by our demise? They obviously dont care if we know about them or not just by how blatant the abductions are as well as seeing them in the skies and detecting them with our radars. If they were as technologically advanced as they seem to be, wouldnt you think they could cover their tracks better than they have?
     
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    I suggest reading the book I mentioned above, Dimensions by Jacques Vallee . . . or even Authors of the Impossible by Kripal, both very, very highly interesting books. Without Vallee's thoughts, I'd assume it'd generally be pretty hard to make sense of the UFO phenomena. For one, whether people realize it or not, the phenomena has been taking place for a long time, and it's culturally changing. Not only that, but there are so many credible reports (of UFO related stuff) that the estimate Vallee came up with on visitations/sightings/etc. would be something outrageous like 30,000 a year. So what might initially be thought here is that it's purely conscious level experience, else why would the phenomena change from cigar shaped "primitive" floating vessels to slick, saucers to even fancier stuff than that? But there's certainly physical evidence, too. So Vallee seems to suggest that it's somehow both/and or something paradoxical like so. I tend to think of the thing as something like a synchronicity: it involves a psychological element and (generally) a physical element as well . . . Back to the number, though, as you can see, 30,000 visitations by, I assume, different "breeds" of aliens seems very unlikely. Right? It's absurd, actually.

    . . . Just a few thoughts . . . Once again, I have a hard time summarizing Vallee in a paragraph or so, but I think it's must read material for UFO phenomena understanding . . .
     
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    Thanks Reece, I will check that book out. Sounds good.
    I used to believe heavily and was very interested in UFO's then it just kinda went..blah. Not really sure why. Ive always been a big sci-fi fan, especially Star Wars and Star Trek. My dream has always been to be a part of a large space exploration vessel and to traverse the universe finding new and interesting things. Alas, I was born about 200 years or so too early. :mad: Maybe next life time??
     
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