Rey Hernandez, Scientific Study of ET Contact and the Paranormal |412|

Alex, I wonder if you have heard of this guy and would be interested in interviewing him? You will find quite a lot on the Internet by him or about him. He's also recently published a book.

This is a pretty long video (and the quality is not very good) but if you listen to the last 20 minutes or so, I think you'll get an idea of what he's about. NB: I'm not at all advocating the DMT thing, I just thought this guy is interesting for those who suspect that "E.T.s" are actually interdimensional beings rather than "nuts and bolts" aliens. AND he also refers to the "relationship" of our reality with theirs.


His book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1527234762/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

Interestingly, right at the start of his book (in the free sample you can read on Amazon) he quotes McKenna as saying:

"The main thing to understand is that we are imprisoned in some kind of work of art".
I saw that video! Very interesting.

If we are making interview requests, how about an nde'r who belies my position that they do not bring back complex information unless they were already sophisticated?

https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Near-Death-Transformation/dp/163265024X

That book has an example: a hairdresser who brings back 32 quantum physics equations. More sleuthing is needed, but its intriguing. I keep bringing this up as it relates to integrating the various phenomena into a workable, testable model. Do nde's *really* break science?

<psst, alex I know the answer to requests..."go get em" tiger!'>
 
I saw that video! Very interesting.

If we are making interview requests, how about an nde'r who belies my position that they do not bring back complex information unless they were already sophisticated?

https://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Near-Death-Transformation/dp/163265024X

That book has an example: a hairdresser who brings back 32 quantum physics equations. More sleuthing is needed, but its intriguing. I keep bringing this up as it relates to integrating the various phenomena into a workable, testable model. Do nde's *really* break science?

<psst, alex I know the answer to requests..."go get em" tiger!'>
haha... true... but I also wonder if she'd be open to the some broader questions about extended consciousness and how NDEs fit / don't fit. so, yes, please go get her on my behalf :) and ask her if she'd be open to what david sunfellow style dialogue.
 
haha... true... but I also wonder if she'd be open to the some broader questions about extended consciousness and how NDEs fit / don't fit. so, yes, please go get her on my behalf :) and ask her if she'd be open to what david sunfellow style dialogue.
Point taken. Btw, its 32 binders over 20 years of mathematical formulae -- including QM.

She wasn't a hairdresser at the time of her NDE and downloads. This notion was taken by me from somewhere else incorrectly. I imagine you could find her via debra diamond. I really would like to see this question as a main focus: do they know something verifiably unique? that explains something we didn't know existed. If we can't figure this out -- NDe's, abductions, consciousness, etc, we could at least see if something more intelligent than us wants to help us. And apply it. Uh oh -- cult incoming.

The persons name is Evelyn Carleton.
 
Point taken. Btw, its 32 binders over 20 years of mathematical formulae -- including QM.

She wasn't a hairdresser at the time of her NDE and downloads. This notion was taken by me from somewhere else incorrectly. I imagine you could find her via debra diamond. I really would like to see this question as a main focus: do they know something verifiably unique? that explains something we didn't know existed. If we can't figure this out -- NDe's, abductions, consciousness, etc, we could at least see if something more intelligent than us wants to help us. And apply it. Uh oh -- cult incoming.

The persons name is Evelyn Carleton.
so are you going to contact her? :)
 
so are you going to contact her? :)
Uhh, I quit facebook a few years ago...

You recognize the problem with your 'wrestling it to the ground" metaphor. The analytical mind just won't get there. Or at least hasn't yet, despite all your shows and evidence no one really cares. Ridiculous? I hope so. Life is absurd, but at least its funny at times.

On that note, I did channel a poem back when I was an atheist. No reason for an explanation, except to say at the time I called it a 'muse experience.' I didn't and still don't write poetry but it turns out the channeled experience matches the assignment of a graduate student I met online via 'plenty of fish' -- a dating website. She didn't believe it was original.



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Actually, I have another person I want to find out about. Sgt. Karl Wolfe.


Turns out he passed away a month or two after I realized he was trying to contact me and he tried in mutliple ways. I mean, that is how I interpret what happened. In short, I googled his name and found out his sister is still alive. The message (I assume it was him) was that at the time he made that video he was joking. He kinda hints about naivete in the full video posted elsewhere.

-a problem with my interpretation is that all messages from spirit are ridiculous to me...so I may have misread the 'tone' of what was being communicated. Incidentally, a few hours later my perception of the lighting in my living room changed. It turned a golden color. And then Valentino, my pet parrot made a 'woof' sound! He has never made that sound before or sense. You see? Woof / Karl Wolfe? Not to mention he was in my head earlier making woofing sounds to get me to click on his video!



But also my Dad, who was half asleep and whom I woke up fully, said he HEARD IT!

So, convinced I was in contact with something, I asked if the base on the moon thing was real. The answer I got was,' the truth lies within'. The aliens keep their secrets.

Having experienced several moments like these really makes you appreciate so called evidential mediums. I would never want to go through that process.

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Found another claimant thatfollows the evidential pattern I want, via the venerable 'batgap' website:

https://batgap.com/sean-webb/


What does this have to do with alien contact? The so called 'larger consciousness system' may be the friendly 'greater reality' we label as alien.
 
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Sidebar: I keep hearing allusions to Dec 17 UFO US govt revelations as a psyop. Is there a good write-up on this theory? I concur that at first glance it was odd and came out of the blue and seemed to have almost no lasting impact, which leads one to suspect it was designed to have no lasting impact, the way you try to sneak bad news into a Friday 6pm press release or something. Tying it to the Blink182 dude seems also crafted to turn up the meme-factor.

I'm one of those folks who believe that you control mankind by controlling its belief system, so it's serious business.
I take all the TTSA stuff with a grain of salt and while I'm very interested in the developments, I'm on the fence about all the motives and agendas there... but for a cynical anti-TTSA perspective I've listened a bit to Daniel Liszt (Dark Journalist). He has nit-picked some of the details and contends that this is a long planned disinfo psyop to eventually regain control of the UFO narrative (to what ultimate ends I don't know... fake alien invasion?)

His main concerns seem to be centered around the lack of confirmation regarding the AATIP program and it's exact name, and also the fact that this is being headed up by a former counter intelligence officer (Elizondo)... which is a good point... their whole job is disinfo and counter-narratives.
 
Sidebar: I keep hearing allusions to Dec 17 UFO US govt revelations as a psyop. Is there a good write-up on this theory? I concur that at first glance it was odd and came out of the blue and seemed to have almost no lasting impact, which leads one to suspect it was designed to have no lasting impact, the way you try to sneak bad news into a Friday 6pm press release or something. Tying it to the Blink182 dude seems also crafted to turn up the meme-factor.

I'm one of those folks who believe that you control mankind by controlling its belief system, so it's serious business.
I don't think you can take the idea that it had 'no lasting impact' at face value. For starters we don't know what impact it had. We know that nobody talked about it much across the media that are usually talking about each other's content. That's not odd in this context. It happens routinely. Its a conversation people prefer to have in private. The media dampens down a lot of stuff that is contentious or edgy. Stuff gets reported one day and there is no further mention of it. Maybe the editor/owner doesn't want that content in their paper? Maybe the journalists have no belief the content is real and don't want to repeat it? Maybe some government dude said 'stop it'?

I don't think you can 'control' via beliefs, but you can certainly influence and persuade and manipulate. The CBC's Ideas program's show 'Woke Washing: the problem with 'branding' social movements' is a disturbing and sobering.

https://podcast-a.akamaihd.net/mp3/podcasts/ideas-QgL0O6OF-20190612.mp3

I am reading (audiobook) Graham Hancock's 'America Before' at the moment. Graham exposes the determined efforts to block awareness of an alternative history of humanity (based on a mountain of data). Its been his passion for ages, and he has been slowly amassing data and argument that is now beyond compelling.


Between all the influences of religious dogma, materialism, politics, marketing and the general run of cultural and intellectual fantasies and fashions, nurture and the plain psychology of personal experience you gotta marvel that we think we have any sense of reality at all.

For me the idea that there is some masterly influence pulling the levers is crazy. There are undoubtedly some who imagine they are. And we see the sorry wreckage of their delusions littering history. The complexity of human experience and the diversity of individuals is such that its a lot like herding cats. There will always be breakouts, the non-compliant, the non-conformist and downright cranky radicals.

The Dec 17 thing could also be just what it seems - a one-off flash - because that's all it was ever going to be. The temptation to overthink things is strong in this age of conspiracy theories. Now, I have no doubt there are real conspiracies to distort and conceal truth. But that's par for the course in a complex culture. But organised to the level many claim? I am not convinced. I have not yet come across a single argument that has nailed a case for me. Mind, some have come close, and are in my uncertain file.

For me the maxim that 'the price of liberty is eternal vigilance' holds especially true when it comes to our intellectual and spiritual freedom -m and I hold conspiracy theories just as dangerous as the 'lies' they claim to liberate us from.
 
My recollection of the FREE survey - not just the questions, but the redundancy and length - was that it felt more like an exercise in validating ufology than eliciting phenomenological information. I tried to complete the survey repeatedly and could not. Even so, I appreciate the effort that went into it.
 
My recollection of the FREE survey - not just the questions, but the redundancy and length - was that it felt more like an exercise in validating ufology than eliciting phenomenological information. I tried to complete the survey repeatedly and could not. Even so, I appreciate the effort that went into it.
Could you go into more details?
 
Could you go into more details?
The deeper I got into the survey, the more I had to use the write-in option until, finally, even a free-form response didn't seem possible. Enough time has passed that greater specificity would require revisiting the survey & parsing it.

Generally, however, the criticism speaks to a common dynamic operating just below the surface of conscious expression. What most called "truth-seeking" is a perpetual quest for Validation. Not. Truth. One's thoughts. Beliefs. Experiences. Associations. Fears. Rarely, at any critical juncture, does anyone want to stand alone. It's painful, often dangerous and not that gratifying. I say this as an introvert.

Mitigating selection bias is a formidable task, one compounded by the unprecedented nature of the FREE study and complexity of the subject matter.
 
Wildcard here is that we have a non-human intelligence demonstrating an unprecedented capacity to manipulate dream and awake states of consciousness.
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wait what? Who is this "non-human intelligence that is able to manipulate dream & awake states"? I came late here (sorry) just read this. Who is this non-human? How do you know this? Are you talking about the UFO people? If so then yes, that would appear to be so. But, they can't control us all & not all the time.
 
The deeper I got into the survey, the more I had to use the write-in option until, finally, even a free-form response didn't seem possible. Enough time has passed that greater specificity would require revisiting the survey & parsing it.

Generally, however, the criticism speaks to a common dynamic operating just below the surface of conscious expression. What most called "truth-seeking" is a perpetual quest for Validation. Not. Truth. One's thoughts. Beliefs. Experiences. Associations. Fears. Rarely, at any critical juncture, does anyone want to stand alone. It's painful, often dangerous and not that gratifying. I say this as an introvert.

Mitigating selection bias is a formidable task, one compounded by the unprecedented nature of the FREE study and complexity of the subject matter.
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As an ex- "introvert" I'd like to chime in! :) You said, "Rarely, at any critical juncture, does anyone want to stand alone. It's painful, often dangerous and not that gratifying."

Well, that's just wrong. Yes, nobody wants or expects this to happen (all of a sudden standing alone), and yes, sometimes it is painful & dangerous (let me add humiliating) HOWEVER, it IS gratifying! Oh yes it is. You know why? Because if you are taking on another direction (or side) you are probably right. At least I am usually. Even if I wasn't I can look in the mirror.

Your first part I agree with.
 
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As an ex- "introvert" I'd like to chime in! :) You said, "Rarely, at any critical juncture, does anyone want to stand alone. It's painful, often dangerous and not that gratifying."

Well, that's just wrong. Yes, nobody wants or expects this to happen (all of a sudden standing alone), and yes, sometimes it is painful & dangerous (let me add humiliating) HOWEVER, it IS gratifying! Oh yes it is. You know why? Because if you are taking on another direction (or side) you are probably right. At least I am usually. Even if I wasn't I can look in the mirror.

Your first part I agree with.
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify:

The prospect of a trial by fire is not one I find gratifying. Surviving one is a different matter.
 
'Contact' is routine. There is a constant interplay between human and other-than-human intelligence (OTHI), but most of it is not available to our conscious awareness. Much of the consequences are subtle - insights and intuitions and inspirations.
the Divine is profoundly democratic. You want to talk? It will respond. But never as a free lunch. Always as a relationship.
Beautifully stated, Michael.

These dynamics were explicitly demonstrated as part of my contact initiation.

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Calling it a contact initiation is a misnomer, but abduction was the overwhelmingly dominant paradigm in 2008, and I had to call it something (else) when self-referencing. Abduction was the antithesis of what I was experiencing. Eschewing the term then was an affront to many who identified as abductees, as well as the ostensible experts who were capitalizing on it. Still is for some.
 
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The deeper I got into the survey, the more I had to use the write-in option until, finally, even a free-form response didn't seem possible. Enough time has passed that greater specificity would require revisiting the survey & parsing it.

Generally, however, the criticism speaks to a common dynamic operating just below the surface of conscious expression. What most called "truth-seeking" is a perpetual quest for Validation. Not. Truth. One's thoughts. Beliefs. Experiences. Associations. Fears. Rarely, at any critical juncture, does anyone want to stand alone. It's painful, often dangerous and not that gratifying. I say this as an introvert.

Mitigating selection bias is a formidable task, one compounded by the unprecedented nature of the FREE study and complexity of the subject matter.
There are going to be differences of opinion, no doubt, during the validation process, of which a survey is the beginning of validation. In other words, why would you not want to validate? Different methods ought to converge on the true and the real. We are far from that. But surely this kind of analysis is the very beginning f trying to do so.

Do you reject the exhaustive nature of this search or the search itself? In my view truth is a narrow target, and its best to falsify then to validate. In short I agree we are far from validating...but this is the beginning. Do you mean the wrong questions are being asked?
 
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify:

The prospect of a trial by fire is not one I find gratifying. Surviving one is a different matter.
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I totally understand. Since I look unassuming (and not dangerous), I think some “bullies” get the idea they can push us around. I really DON’T like bullies or child molesters. Both bug me. So, it kind of pleases me when a bully thinks they will flatten me. I’m not stupid & I’m not afraid (that might be a BAD combination). So, it gives me a little time to size them up & lower the boom. Which for SOME reason tends to catch people off guard.

But, they are tiring, I understand. Family & friends ask me why I even bother, I just don’t like people getting away with stuff! Somebody get me a cape!
 
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wait what? Who is this "non-human intelligence that is able to manipulate dream & awake states"? I came late here (sorry) just read this. Who is this non-human? How do you know this? Are you talking about the UFO people? If so then yes, that would appear to be so. But, they can't control us all & not all the time.
Atlantis,
I don't know about UFO critters and you're probably right about them. My own theory is that psychological effects are due to a paradigm shattering experience (e.g. encountering something in the sky that shouldn't be there doing what it's doing based on how you were raised to understand the world) that knocks the experiencer off his/her center of habitual focus of awareness such that new perceptual potentials are experienced; which can be inspiring or depressing, depending on how s/he processes being bumped off home base (potentially forever if the experience is powerful enough). These same psychological effects are observed in people who have had powerful experiences of normal origin (combat, massive natural disasters such floods and tornados, rape/assault, psychedelics, deep faith, true love, and NDE, loss of a truly loved one and on and on). IMO, the effects are not caused by the UFO itself. Rather, it is the unfolding of innate perceptual capabilities caused by a blow to the ego structure.

However, one of my areas of paranormal study, off and on, has been demonic or spirit possession and obsession. I think it is a real thing based on the evidence and in many instances the victim is, indeed, controlled; sometimes thoroughly. The victim could probably, theoretically, break the control, but at a certain point that becomes practically very difficult.

So there's always that to brighten up your day ;-)
 
I totally understand. Since I look unassuming (and not dangerous), I think some “bullies” get the idea they can push us around. I really DON’T like bullies or child molesters. Both bug me. So, it kind of pleases me when a bully thinks they will flatten me. I’m not stupid & I’m not afraid (that might be a BAD combination). So, it gives me a little time to size them up & lower the boom. Which for SOME reason tends to catch people off guard.

But, they are tiring, I understand. Family & friends ask me why I even bother, I just don’t like people getting away with stuff! Somebody get me a cape!
I'm not intimidated by bullies. Other way around.

This is not a point of pride. The Bully's defining feature, besides ignorance of Self, is an attraction to low-hanging fruit. Having been one, I'm acutely aware their toxic secrets. They can sense it.
 
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