Richard Cox, is 9/11 Deeply Spiritual? |428|

"Is 9/11 connected with the archetypal world, the spirit world, unseen worlds, and occultism, in deep and unexpected ways?"
good point in good question. Then again, all these questions seem to turn out to be the same questions -- what is the nature/topography of this extended consciousness realm? is there a hierarchy?
 
I was glad to see at least some "deeper" "spiritual" discussion of 9/11 archetypal resonances here, but was hoping for even more. I appreciate the discourse between those with "conspiracy theorist" leanings and our resident IC connected folk, but that road is well worn at this point IMHO. Since I agree with the sentiment that "everything is spiritual" maybe a better question is "Is 9/11 connected with the archetypal world, the spirit world, unseen worlds, and occultism, in deep and unexpected ways?"

The resonances with Crowleyana are peculiar:

As is the Zohar prophecy:

Thank you for the links, I've downloaded a couple to listen to, if I can think of anything intelligent to say about them I'll post it in a few days time.
 
good point in good question. Then again, all these questions seem to turn out to be the same questions -- what is the nature/topography of this extended consciousness realm? is there a hierarchy?
I think we have to be careful not to take 911 in the purely historical it is delivered to us in. As an event it is pivotal for the US and the rest of us, and so we must see the deeper hints this is the case.

Strictly speaking the new century began on 1/1/01 - or 11 if we use the logical notation. So the 11th day of September, denoted as 911 not only adds up to 11 but is an emergency services call number. And the twin towers also represent 11. This isn't 'coincidence'. Its a signal that here a lot more is going on than the merely obvious - and by this I do not mean what conspiracy theorists bang on about - sorry conspiracy folks but I have been down that rabbit hole and found nothing to persuade me.

One huge message we must take is that 911 was a wake up call as well. Radical asymmetry triumphed on the day and all I can say is that each day I am grateful that 'terrorists' are nowhere as nearly equal in their imagination. What happened on 911 was symbolic. It was an attack on symbols, an d let us pray that attacks of this kind remain focused on symbols - because all 'advanced western countries' are profoundly exposed to serious malicious assault. And to any pro-Trumpian anti-Deep State fans let me be clear. Without that 'Deep State' you social infrastructure would be already shredded.

But back to the metaphysical. 911 alters the balance of powers and through that it alters how we operate as a culture. That one attack on a symbol has fundamentally transformed a culture. Now I am no fan of terrorism [which I don't think 911 really is] or Bin Laden, but we have to look at the absolute assymmetry. A bunch of non-professionals penetrated the security of the most armed nation on the planet. Bin Laden is said to have said that he wanted the US to squander blood and treasure. That happens and continues to happen.

The power of the state is broken. Non-state militia can wreck havoc using asymmetrical aggression to attain psychological and political objectives. This is now the norm. Bin Laden was the inventor, but the exemplar, and hence the symbol. In 19 years non conventional asymmetical conflict has become the norm - but now states can conceal what they do via non-state actors. Everything has changed.

And this is the point. Since 911 we have had the rise of [anti]social media. Psychological and political violence is now commonplace. The counterpunch is personal authenticity and concerns for justice and equity. This drawing up fracture lines between two value sets that are not the present conservative versus progressive [there are utter idiots on both sides] but a more moderate differentiation that has yet to express itself coherently. That's a few years off. We don't presently have the ideas or the language.

To the extent that 911 marks a boundary between 2 ages itnhas echoes down the various pathways of our reality - political, economic, technological, cultural, spiritual. All these and more constitute the threads that weave together the fabric of our reality.

In Australia I woke up early with an intent to watch Star Trek I had recorded on my VHS recorder. I was pissed off. Instead of JLP I got a boring US city landscape - and suddenly the twin towers and the consternation of the news hosts as they became aware of what was going on.

I knew then the world had changed. I understand that for many now this is part of their reality and hardly a radical event. It was transformative - on every level. It is important that you get that.
 
brilliant! But who is the non State militia? Certainly not Bin Laden.
Well. he's dead. But any group with the intent to disrupt a state now has more power than ever - whether internal or external actors. Part of the problem is that states are now deeply integrated - so a crisis in one small area will have magnified impact.

911 is certainly the exemplar, but now we find cyber threats and strategic acts of physcial terrorism can precipitate catastrophic consequences.
 
Well. he's dead. But any group with the intent to disrupt a state now has more power than ever - whether internal or external actors. Part of the problem is that states are now deeply integrated - so a crisis in one small area will have magnified impact.

911 is certainly the exemplar, but now we find cyber threats and strategic acts of physcial terrorism can precipitate catastrophic consequences.
ok, but I think the point of Richard's interview is that the bin Laden Mastermind Theory doesn't hold up
 
ok, but I think the point of Richard's interview is that the bin Laden Mastermind Theory doesn't hold up
There are strong competing arguments. Its so hard to settle on any POV given the amount of disinformation there is these days. On a related theme do check out a book called Sandworm by Andy Greenberg. Whatever the cause of 911, we are living in a very different world.
 
Great show. This is EXACTLY why i love Skeptiko! This is where i want to see the 9/11 story go. I've so badly wanted a "level 3" 9/11 discussion and i finally see it going in that direction.
The question of 911's effect on mass consciousness is so interesting. As far as i am concerned the spiritual or other wordly component of the event is undeniable. I consider the pre-cognitive trickle of world trade center attacks or the date and numbers 9/11 into popular culture and mass media preceeding the event (the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen
and Back 2 the Future
being seminal examples) as strong evidance to suggest there is something much larger and perhaps spookier at play with the events of Sept. 11th.
Okay, As a result of this thread I had Daniel (Grimy1984) on the show to talk about the foreshadowing of future events in films, specifically, 9/11 in Back to the Future.

We also discuss the symbolism of the films and whether it arises consciously from the writers, or as part of some deeper sychronistic process. I'm really keen to establish how we can talk about / measure any of this and distinguish any meaningful phenomenon from coincidence.

Out of all the interviews I've done this one has certainly messed with my sense of reality the most.


https://deepstateconsciousness.podbean.com/e/daniel-luxton/

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-deep-state-consciousness-podcast/id1338867921
 
Okay, As a result of this thread I had Daniel (Grimy1984) on the show to talk about the foreshadowing of future events in films, specifically, 9/11 in Back to the Future.

We also discuss the symbolism of the films and whether it arises consciously from the writers, or as part of some deeper sychronistic process. I'm really keen to establish how we can talk about / measure any of this and distinguish any meaningful phenomenon from coincidence.

Out of all the interviews I've done this one has certainly messed with my sense of reality the most.


https://deepstateconsciousness.podbean.com/e/daniel-luxton/

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-deep-state-consciousness-podcast/id1338867921
I would love to get the Skeptiko take on our discusson and certainly welcome any and all comments and feedback.

If you find yourself interested in the topics discussed please visit my blog for additional info.
https://grimy1984.blogspot.com/?m=1
 
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