Richard Cox, is 9/11 Deeply Spiritual? |428|

Topic: 9/11 is spiritual. To many, the World changed after that moment. Even cinema prior to 9/11 seems very different to me than what we see now.
In my observation, most people - make that all people - are living by and in some kind of artificial paradigm. This isn't just "beliefs" about how the world is. It's much deeper than that. It defines the boundaries of what we perceive. It is the bridge between internal perceptions and external. It defines what external energies we are aligned with. Therefore, it creates the world we find ourselves living in. This is occurring at the individual level and all the way up through societal orders. The paradigm is integral to our ego structure. They are inseparable.

BTW, even if you're someone who says he is objective and is bound by no paradigm, the paradigm of no paradigm is you paradigm.

When that paradigm is shattered, the world we live in actually stops. Our sense of "self" changes. The fabric of our reality unravels. For a moment in time our internal energies are free to roam about and align with a much wider sea of perceptual potentials/energies at large in the universe. That "roaming" can be ecstatic due to all of the personal energy that is freed up by not having to be spent maintaining the focus on the old paradigm or it can be frightening and chaotic, or somewhere in between. It depends on the individual and the reason the paradigm broke down.

When energies are free to roam sans the constraints of the paradigm, all kinds of "impossible" things can be perceived. There can be OBEs, NDEs, UFOs, Psi, etc. Reactions can be a sense of "enlightenment", paranoia and insanity, a scramble to create a new workable paradigm, etc.

What can make the paradigm break down? Lots of things. Could be death itself giving rise to NDEs, could be simply "spacing out" due to monotonous activity, could be psychedelics, could be a severe shock to the system like an illness or injury, witnessing something horrible or very strange, being in a war and realizing that some fundamental understanding, like the value of human life (including your own) is actually zero, could be meditation techniques. Basically, anything that causes the internal energies that maintain the focus on the paradigm to relinquish that focus. The extent of the relinquishing (just a little v total) determines the how much new energies can be aligned with, for how long will the new alignment last. The nature of the individual experiencing the re-alignment and the cause of the re-alignment will largely determine the quality of the reaction to it.

For many individuals and for our society as a whole, 911 was a paradigm shattering shock that had the effects I describe above. That is the foundation of it being "spiritual". It opened an opportunity to a new paradigm for many. I think this is the argument. A massive shock causing a paradigm breakdown, releasing all of that energy that no longer was consumed maintaining the old paradigm would be a spiritual event. It may have had ripples both forward and backward in time; possible since time is a paradigm concept that doesn't seem to exist in extended consciousness realms.

My only issue with that is that I don't think 911 shattered paradigms held deeply enough. It didn't get to the level of breaking fundamental assumptions about reality. The paradigm(s) that was shattered was merely that the USA is a safe place, that foreigners love us, that our massive monuments will last forever; that kind of thing. Yet, it was still a massive shock. So maybe that was enough to cause a small ripple in the fabric of reality.
 
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I know a little something about the international war on drugs. IMO the war on terrorism served the same purpose; as does the war on climate change, poverty or anything else. These are all excuses for the deep state to grow and to control our lives more. They are all interconnected too on an international level.
agreed... although I feel more and more queasy with the "deep state" idea. I mean, doesn't it seem that anyone who's playing the game really hard what eventually make the same moves. it's a breaking bad world :)



My perspective on spirituality is you have to do it yourself - with a little help from your friends (true friends). Don't follow leaders, churches, gurus or any of that. All of these organizations metastasize into mind control, restriction of freedoms and physical control. The government is the same. It comes with smiles saying it will help you, but there is always a high price. People, being people, love power. It seems to be irresistible. IMO, it is the devil at work.
agree, agree, agree!
 
Wow... thanks for this post. i am a little late to the party but jumping in now.

Well, now we've gone off the deep end :).

It might be helpful to divide this into two (related) phenomenon. The first is mundane and understandable to a good degree. The Pentagon, CIA and a host of other entities 'partner' with Hollywood and use film and other mediums to influence the minds of the public. I particularly like the work of Tom Secker has done on this topic, in his book National Security Cinema and on his podcast. He cautions that the reasons why these narratives appear may not be obvious, and that foreshadows of conspiracies may be interjected in a way that is deliberately misleading. I am also convinced that conspiracy theory plays a role in the cover up of State crimes.

This might account for The Lone Gunman episode (although we simply don't know), but then we go off the deep end into with your Back to the Future video.

I must be honest, I really have no idea where to even start with this. In addition to the video you posted I also watched the Back to the Future Secret Symbolism Myths & Archetypes one. It's excellent, totally compelling that the films contain references to Greek mythology and the battle between Zeus and Chronos. And indeed why wouldn't it! As the 9/11 video went on I found it more and more compelling, but utterly mystifying!

It leads me to a contradiction. I would have to believe that such a level of symbolism has been consciously placed, it cannot have arisen solely from some deep aspect of the mind unconsciously creeping through. But I cannot believe such symbolism could have been consciously placed. I can't see how anyone in 1985 could have knowledge of 9/11 (obviously).
I totally get where you're coming from... on one level it's ridiculous to think we could make sense of this given that we don't fully understand time and we certainly don't understand consciousness. but it's fun to speculate isn't it :)

one thing that pops up for me is the idea that players of the game (secret societies, NWO, super powerful people/gov, maybe even ET) would play the symbolism game and play it really hard. I mean kind of it's kind of a win-win-win
1. there may be some metaphysical reality to it
2. it's an awesome insider control tool
3. it may be a self-fulfilling thought-form... precog... synchro... tulpa... thing
 
Thank you Richard Cox for putting me on to the site, i thoroughly enjoyed the interview Skeptiko did with you. It was a very enlightening and informative episode. Im open for any 9/11 questions anyone may have. Richard Cox and myself have just completed the Roads to 9/11 Series and we are currently in the beginning stages of our podcast "The Darkened Hour".
hi Adam thank you so much for your awesome contribution... and for joining us here.
 
The most interest thing I learnt whilst doing the series with Adam about the supposed pilot of Flight 93 (the one that crashed in Shanksville) Ziad Jarrah. Jarrah is an unlikely terrorist as he wasn't particularly religious. For this reason documentaries on the Hamburg Cell (the group containing Atta and al-Shehhi) have focused on him as a case study in radicalisation. The interesting thing is that several years after 9/11, Jarrah's uncle was outed as an Israeli spy.
wow!
 
We share a good quality, "cautionary" towards speculative notions which saturate most 91/1 forums i have ever experienced. I am always alarmed by the amount of conspiracies that are affiliated with the 9/11 event, to the extent it often tests one's own rationale with the more "fantastical" scenarios such as "no planes, mini nukes" etc. Then you have those who ardently defend the state even when it is obvious the government has, time and time again, impacted millions of lives with their detrimental actions.
have you done any work looking into the psychological/sociological part of this collective amnesia.
 
don't make comments like this... especially to guests that are on our forum to share their expertise.
Yeah...apologies.

I kind of lose it a little sometimes when people just bash on the USA. Not because I'm a drone patriot hard ass, but because, as I keep saying, imagining the USA as a horrible beast seems destructive in itself; very negative and unhealthy and very unrealistic. Horrible beast compared to what? I've seen some places/governments that are truly horrible. I've read enough history to know what the norm is and it's not good. Believe me, the USA is a paradise on earth compared to a lot of the world.
 
have you done any work looking into the psychological/sociological part of this collective amnesia.
I have but i have not done so thoroughly. I had studied psychology while at University here in New York but quit in my Junior year. I tend to focus on geo-political nature of 9/11, also religious fundamentalism, US-Israel-Saudi Foreign Affairs etc. But the "psychological/sociological" aspect is every bit as important in these areas as well. We can talk about that issue if you wish.
 
Before I reply, I meant to put this video critical of Greta Thunberg in my last post. 90% of it is a very good dismantling of the environmentalist movement
great/horrible. I haven't looked at this stuff in a while and the first thing that struck me is how obvious the environmentalist cult mind control thing appears.

I don't engage with this stuff more because I haven't seen a way to do that that's productive.
I get your point and I find that I need to constantly reign myself in and disengage... at the same time, this conspiracy work has been hugely significant to my personal spiritual path.

I've been reading articles by The Vigilant Citizen for years
new to it... thanks for the link
 
...let's be servant leaders.
Very much. When put in the spotlight of doing national infrastructure strategy, one not only has to

1. Grasp the client nation's culture, and the true subtleties therein, but
2. Understand that this cannot be Americanized, and will require unique solutions oriented around that culture's view of ethics and micro-economy, and
3. Develop a strategy which is not just old ideas on steroids, but new thinking (if one simply regurgitates academic or media propaganda - you will get fired...), and finally,

4. Stay and be held accountable for the results.

That last step is what separates the servant from what we jokingly call a 'brain on a stick'.
 
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I have but i have not done so thoroughly. I had studied psychology while at University here in New York but quit in my Junior year. I tend to focus on geo-political nature of 9/11, also religious fundamentalism, US-Israel-Saudi Foreign Affairs etc. But the "psychological/sociological" aspect is every bit as important in these areas as well. We can talk about that issue if you wish.
great. maybe we could approach it from different angle that is more in your wheelhouse. One of the questions that came up for me during my interview with richard was the gamesmanship richard clarke and robert mueller were drawn into after 911 happened. I was kind of shooting from the hip regarding the CYA mentality that probably permeates these organizations, but I was wondering if you had any deeper insights into how these guys might have reacted once they realized they were unwittingly part of a larger conspiracy.
 
Very much. When put in the spotlight of doing national infrastructure strategy, one not only has to

1. Grasp the client nation's culture, and the true subtleties therein, but
2. Understand that this cannot be Americanized, and will require unique solutions oriented around that culture's view of ethics and micro-economy, and
3. Develop a strategy which is not just old ideas on steroids, but new thinking - and finally (if one simply regurgitates academic or media propaganda - you will get fired...)

4. Stay and be held accountable for the results.

That last step is what separates the servant from what we jokingly call a 'brain on a stick'.
But 9/11 forced us to face some of our cultural norms and evaluate who we are to become as a next-step nation. Unbridled building of wealth was also highlighted in that event - and we as a nation have begun to spiritually question whether having Walmarts, $20+ B Billionaires and Starbucks is what capitalism is all about.

For me, church bore very few answers. The event offered a chance to unify, yes - but then we were forced to look into a mirror and realize that we could also become the monster as well...
 
Very much. When put in the spotlight of doing national infrastructure strategy, one not only has to

1. Grasp the client nation's culture, and the true subtleties therein, but
2. Understand that this cannot be Americanized, and will require unique solutions oriented around that culture's view of ethics and micro-economy, and
3. Develop a strategy which is not just old ideas on steroids, but new thinking - and finally (if one simply regurgitates academic or media propaganda - you will get fired...)

4. Stay and be held accountable for the results.

That last step is what separates the servant from what we jokingly call a 'brain on a stick'.
I always feel like an old man ( and a little bit orwellian / hunger-games-ish to boot :)) when I say this, but all of this gives me a greater appreciation for our founding fathers. these guys had a vision that deserves our respect. and I think it's ok to say that and at the same time acknowledge the fact that they and we haven't always lived up to that standard.
 
I always feel like an old man ( and a little bit orwellian / hunger-games-ish to boot :)) when I say this, but all of this gives me a greater appreciation for our founding fathers. these guys had a vision that deserves our respect. and I think it's ok to say that and at the same time acknowledge the fact that they and we haven't always lived up to that standard.
Dead on. When I entered this field later in my career - Thomas Jefferson to me was like this 'Yeah yeah... OK, this guy wrote some good sounding stuff... I like it OK and had to memorize it... but'

Then after my third project, it began to click. I read The Road to Monticello by Kevin Hays. The man was brilliant. Next world. He was tapped into the voices of Intent behind the veil, which guide but do not steer.
 
welcome. thanks for all this.

I put "sobered up" in quotes is because though he had stopped drinking alcohol, the "doctors" had him on all sorts of pharmaceuticals for anxiety, depression, etc.
great point about the "good old days" of treating addiction. I wonder if things are any better now

My mother told me she concluded my Dad was a coward. I think it was far more complicated than that.
you really oughta check out richard's excellent interview with angie fenimore:
https://deepstateconsciousness.podbean.com/e/beyond-the-darkness-angie-fenimore/

My father was also into some interesting "contract work." He was one of those that believed Jack Ruby was given cancer by the CIA - he told me this more than once. We are all from Dallas, my Dad lived here up until his death.
after reading these two books I tend to agree:
Dr. Mary's Monkey - Amazon.com
Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey ...
 
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