Richard,
Again i love your reply. This is the conversation i want to be having. You are asking all the improtant questions that i dont necessarily have the answers for but i must admit i am enjoying my attempts to try and find them with you.
To adress the question of did they consciously know of 9/11 back in 1985; i would say it is very possible. At the very top of a shadowy cabal capable of perpetuating an act as dastardly as 9/11 i think one would find some deep occult ritualistc order that has just drowned these world changing events with so much symbolism and ritual that it would take a very long time to plan something so massive.
The dates are imortant. As we discussed previously 9/11 as a date is significant in both the united states and europe.
The twin towers themselves being twin towers is highly symbolic and significant. They represented the Gemini twins as well as the two pillars leading to solomons temple Boaz and Jachin. Remember that building 7 was known as the Solomn Brothers building. So they destroyed the pillars Jachin and Boaz as well as solomns temple and in its its footprint rising from the ashes like a Phoenix was the One World Trade Freedom Tower. It couldnt be more ritualistic and symbolic. They even threw in a little orwellian newspeak for good measure, naming the new symbol of freedoms lost the Freedom tower. Gag me!
As i see it it would take decades, lifetimes even to plan something so massive and so symbolic and get it perfect down to the last detail. So i am very open to the idea of some other worldy non human intelligence that possed ability far beyond that of mortal men to be behind the scenes orchestrating and pulling the strings of its mortal puppets here on earth.
Hello Grimy1984,
Before I reply, I meant to put
this video critical of Greta Thunberg in my last post. 90% of it is a very good dismantling of the environmentalist movement, then to my total surprise it went off the deep end and into the esoteric! (I've time stamped the link). It points out the use of Saturn symbolism and the whole 'We don't have
time' narrative. Also the link with Saturn/Chronos being the god who ate his own children and what the Greens are doing to millions of children like Greta.
Now to respond: I don't expect you to have the answers, I don't think I'm at the point of seeking answers in this area, rather I'm thinking about how to formulate the questions. I don't engage with this stuff more because I haven't seen a way to do that that's productive.
Firstly, I should say that I do believe there's a phenomenon here in need of an explanation. Even if that is only to explain why esoteric symbols
appear to crop up in places they have no business being. I do however think there is something of a reality to this. I've been reading articles by
The Vigilant Citizen for years and it would be disingenuous of me to just write this all off. If I'm wrong then so be it, it probably does us all good to be completely wrong on something now and again :).
So I can look at the evidence for a far reaching occult conspiracy and find, at the very least, that there's a case to answer. I'm confident I could make that argument. What I certainly can't do, is reconcile that notion with the world I read about in the history books. The former contains a high level of order and predictability, the latter is random and unpredictable.
If we take CIA overthrows of foreign governments as an example, it could be said that the Agency has had god-like power in this area, as it has reshaped a large portion of the globe in the most unbelievable way. Zooming in however, most of these operations only just succeeded, rarely in the way that was planned, some utterly failed and all were responses to random and unpredictable circumstances. Nothing in them points to anyone who could orchestrate a 9/11 decades in advance.
We would have to suggest then a 'Deeper Still' State, consisting of conspiracy favourites like the Rockefeller family, acting in some kind of Fritz Springmeier,
Bloodlines of the Illuminati* type manner. An elite who interface with the more visible government through agents like the Dulles brothers etc.
I don't discount this. As I mentioned in the interview with Alex, I spent the first 18 years of my life believing in a fantasy world constructed by the media. I was then able to pull back the curtain and see a different, more real world behind it. It would strike me as foolish therefore, having been so taken in, to announce that I have now arrived at reality. That the world as I understand it now is the real one and there are no more curtains to look behind.
But that leaves the question of how to look. Fritz Springmeier's book, for example, is certainly an entertaining read. It's composed however, of references to other conspiracy slanted books and information insiders have passed on to him. That's all well and good, but there's not a lot we can prove from it.
Another problem is that it's too easy for Intelligence Agencies to muddy the waters here. The term
limited hangout is well known, referring to releasing some information about a criminal act, in a way that misdirects and plays down culpability. Adam and I have often discussed the idea of an
exaggerated hangout, of interjecting fantastical narratives as a way of ensuring investigations into State crimes go nowhere. Could all this Satanism stuff be a way of muddying the waters around the victims of the very real MK Ultra program for example? I don't know. This may be a more effective form of cover-up. Investigating this Deeper Still State could therefore bring more darkness than light.
Perhaps a way to begin would be to sift out what is solid from the information coming from insider accounts. How would you think to progress this?
*When I Googled Springmeier's book the first thing that comes up is a PDF copy on the CIA's website. I couldn't figure out why until I saw the URL and remembered – a copy was found on Bin Laden's bookshelf during the raid when he was killed. The truth is stranger than fiction!
