yeah I mean I guess I kind of know what you mean but I think these kind of analogies are what really cloud the issue for me. it's kind of a walk through the forest kills a bug thing. I thinking of Sam's to bucket analogy... from a practical commonsense standpoint it seems like we really only have to concern ourselves with the buckets that are near full. Satanic ritual abuse of six-year-old children is an easy call... catch-and-release of brownies in the brook less so.
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I think this is a over the top, but there's a part of it that I think is all too often left out of the conversation and needs to be explored. the claim about simpleton gods is going to be offensive to many but this is been the claim of many who explore the extended Consciousness Realm. does it mean that they're right but doesn't mean that they're wrong either. Richard smoley comes to mind in terms of a researcherit shows that the most ancient pre-jewish text say almost exactly this.
wow... this position requires a complete reimagining of the data... I just can't get there.
I don't understand how intend to Hold the Line you've drawn in the sand.
wow... this position requires a complete reimagining of the data... I just can't get there.
I don't understand how intend to Hold the Line you've drawn in the sand.
I think it’s a bit silly to proclaim that one culture is this or that over another regarding some of these issues. You’re looking at things with a huge modern/recent history bias. Human history, which is appearing older and older as new discoveries are unearthed, seems to date back anywhere from 250,000 to 700,000+ plus years old.
If we accept the modern scientific view of humanity, mankind all lived and believed very similarly all across the globe for 98 percent of our existence, until technologies really started to make a difference around 8,000 years ago, or whenever you want to say. I think that the discovery and implantation of technologies was a lot more chance and snowball effect than the actual result of any sort of superiority status between cultures. And if we actually take seriously the work of guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson (and I think we should), it doesn’t seem implausible that the more technologically advanced civilizations of the world dating 100,000 years plus back were not found in Europe, but in the America’s until a cataclysmic event hit the “reset” button. But then again, maybe you’re okay with that and just meant to focus on the more modern happenings.
As far as spirituality is concerned, we currently reside in a culture where spiritual beliefs of any sort are openly mocked, particularly in the higher institutions and with the “gatekeepers of knowledge.” It seems to me that we’ve gone completely backwards in the spiritual department and are quite possibly the dumbest spiritual society that has ever existed.
I get where you’re coming from to a degree. It’s become fashionable to bash ourselves while holding others higher. But in your attempt to combat this idea, your writings on the topic come across to me as being equally extreme in the opposite direction, and equally fallible.
If we accept the modern scientific view of humanity, mankind all lived and believed very similarly all across the globe for 98 percent of our existence, until technologies really started to make a difference around 8,000 years ago, or whenever you want to say. I think that the discovery and implantation of technologies was a lot more chance and snowball effect than the actual result of any sort of superiority status between cultures. And if we actually take seriously the work of guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson (and I think we should), it doesn’t seem implausible that the more technologically advanced civilizations of the world dating 100,000 years plus back were not found in Europe, but in the America’s until a cataclysmic event hit the “reset” button. But then again, maybe you’re okay with that and just meant to focus on the more modern happenings.
As far as spirituality is concerned, we currently reside in a culture where spiritual beliefs of any sort are openly mocked, particularly in the higher institutions and with the “gatekeepers of knowledge.” It seems to me that we’ve gone completely backwards in the spiritual department and are quite possibly the dumbest spiritual society that has ever existed.
I get where you’re coming from to a degree. It’s become fashionable to bash ourselves while holding others higher. But in your attempt to combat this idea, your writings on the topic come across to me as being equally extreme in the opposite direction, and equally fallible.
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All over the world people want what we developed and now have, materially. I think it's a bit silly and arrogant to tell billions of people that they're wrong and misguided; especially when it's coming from someone who has
I'm not seeking to establish a foundation for racism or anything like that. It looks to me like that is concern you have.
Yet polls consistently show that most people in modern western cultures are indeed "spiritual". They believe in all kinds of paranormal phenomena. More importantly, the Christian values of peace, love, understanding and forgiveness are so tightly woven into the fabric of our society that people just take them for granted. I call that a spiritual success.
I think you are making the common mistake of greatly under-estimating the pain and brutality of pre-modern life. It is hard to be "spiritual" and focused on the best in life when you are diseased, hungry, cold and threatened by people that want to take your head - or when you are the head taker and your prayers are to the gods of war to give you the personal power to kill your enemies. Or when you are a woman that can be stoned to death or have her nose cut off for expressing yourself.
I'm not seeking to establish a foundation for racism or anything like that. It looks to me like that is concern you have.
Yet polls consistently show that most people in modern western cultures are indeed "spiritual". They believe in all kinds of paranormal phenomena. More importantly, the Christian values of peace, love, understanding and forgiveness are so tightly woven into the fabric of our society that people just take them for granted. I call that a spiritual success.
I think you are making the common mistake of greatly under-estimating the pain and brutality of pre-modern life. It is hard to be "spiritual" and focused on the best in life when you are diseased, hungry, cold and threatened by people that want to take your head - or when you are the head taker and your prayers are to the gods of war to give you the personal power to kill your enemies. Or when you are a woman that can be stoned to death or have her nose cut off for expressing yourself.
Look, if you worship an angry, thirsty god that demands you rip out the still beating hearts of people you captured in war perennially waged for no other reason than to obtain hearts and blood for said angry god, then you are not exactly operating in a model that allows for freedom and invention. Ditto a god that demands you stone women to death for showing a little leg or dancing. Ditto a system that justifies people being relegated to a caste that they and their offspring can't break out of and wherein no one listens to what they think and say. And on and on.
I don't see why this is over-the-top or controversial beyond the fact that western society is increasingly populated by self-flagellating ball-less sissies and marxist school marmish harpy overlords that want to control every thought anyone might have and demand that everything and everyone be considered equal.
The Bible had an angry, jealous, bellicose god. Then they changed it. God had a son that came down to announce a new covenant with humans based on peace, love, forgiveness and freedom. Within that model people can explore, invent, focus on improving life, building. Yes yes yes, it wasn't and isn't perfect and some evil people distorted the message. Such is humanity. But it's the trend that counts - and the trend has been onward and upward within that system. I'm not a practicing christian, but I sure don't overlook the massive benefits of that systems values. Jesus got killed for this message as did many of his early followers. Primitive cultures, with smaller numbers of people where everyone is up in everyone else's business make it very difficult for anyone to proclaim that the gods are wrong and to change the system. Such a person is exiled (which usually = death) or is outright killed and that's the end of the revolution. The outmoded system continues.
We are creating these gods out of the energies at large and within us. Which energies you focus on are up to you. Think of the chakras. You can focus on the lower chakras or the higher ones. I find this to be an indisputable fact that is obscured by political oppression/PC.
I don't see why this is over-the-top or controversial beyond the fact that western society is increasingly populated by self-flagellating ball-less sissies and marxist school marmish harpy overlords that want to control every thought anyone might have and demand that everything and everyone be considered equal.
The Bible had an angry, jealous, bellicose god. Then they changed it. God had a son that came down to announce a new covenant with humans based on peace, love, forgiveness and freedom. Within that model people can explore, invent, focus on improving life, building. Yes yes yes, it wasn't and isn't perfect and some evil people distorted the message. Such is humanity. But it's the trend that counts - and the trend has been onward and upward within that system. I'm not a practicing christian, but I sure don't overlook the massive benefits of that systems values. Jesus got killed for this message as did many of his early followers. Primitive cultures, with smaller numbers of people where everyone is up in everyone else's business make it very difficult for anyone to proclaim that the gods are wrong and to change the system. Such a person is exiled (which usually = death) or is outright killed and that's the end of the revolution. The outmoded system continues.
We are creating these gods out of the energies at large and within us. Which energies you focus on are up to you. Think of the chakras. You can focus on the lower chakras or the higher ones. I find this to be an indisputable fact that is obscured by political oppression/PC.
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Do you know why TTSA is "struggling"? Look at their background. DeLong's. Listen to Joe Rogan interview DeLong. Delong blew it. They are just selling T-shirts. Nobody believes any of it after Rogan interviewed him. And the "tic/tac" so what? It shows nothing, means nothing. A lot of yippppeeeee over what?
Do you know why TTSA is "struggling"? Look at their background. DeLong's. Listen to Joe Rogan interview DeLong. Delong blew it. They are just selling T-shirts. Nobody believes any of it after Rogan interviewed him. And the "tic/tac" so what? It shows nothing, means nothing. A lot of yippppeeeee over what?
Great show. I’ve seen them, broad daylight, middle of the afternoon, Miami, Florida heading towards Biscayne Bay, in the mid-1960s and VERY close. I was about 9 years old (I’ve told the whole thing on this webpage before). I haven’t heard Mr.Dolan before, but he is pretty spot on. I get the comparison to the dog food & I think he is right.
The sighting & telepathy I had with them years ago I came away with they don’t like us. But, in reviewing it, Mr. Dolan might be right, they are in a way like us, we prejudge people, some of us are nice some are not. I think they are also like us in that.
This is what I’m thinking now... the eventual evolution of man has to be with machines. We have Elon with “neural link”. Everyone has a cell phone in their hand, it might as well be super-glued to them now. Some people are ready now (esp. the millennials) to hook up with the “Borg”. But, those of us not too keen to be tied to every nut who walks loose will hold that back.
What I saw, was 3 beings. 2 seemed to be sitting (but I actually didn’t see the chair) maybe they are shorter. But, to me, they seemed to be in front driving the craft. The taller one was behind them, he seemed to be in charge. When one of the little ones said (telepathically) “don’t be scared we won’t hurt you”, I was so relieved & thought (as a kid would) “OH, maybe we can be friends & I can ride in their spacecraft”?!
But, no, as soon as the little one “said” that, the tall one told it, “don’t bother, we are lower than dirt.” I was of course insulted and thought back “HEY! I’m not bad.” He slowly turned that ugly mug towards me (because by now he was between our house & the neighbors). *shiver, I just crouched down next to my moms legs behind her skirt, to hide.
But, you see, that one (in charge) was able to turn off the little one's thoughts just like a light switch. Immediately. So, now I’m thinking they could be us in the future (or an advanced life form) that already has gone through an evolution. They might have made those little ones as workers. Like them, but they can command them & they obey. Maybe they are part of them, part robot.
Now, this might be a bit far fetched but what if these things came here when we were monkeys (if you believe in evolution) what if they monkeyed with our brains & tried to make us into their worker slaves. But, somehow... something or someone (higher being) said “Ah hell no” and we became uncontrollable. We became more self-aware. We no longer were good slaves, we started to think for ourselves (the natural evolution of man). So, they bugged out & left us here.
Maybe they have come back to check on what they’ve done? I’m pretty sure they are not “angels” & “demons” like we were taught in Sunday School.
And, Mr. Dolan is so very right when he says, there is pure evil in man & lovely things as well. But, don’t kid yourself, some people are pure evil. Their very beings/souls once dead should be thrown into the sun. Some people are just so bad, there is no redemption. No need for eternal hell. Just make them gone.
I’d like to be God just for one day.
The sighting & telepathy I had with them years ago I came away with they don’t like us. But, in reviewing it, Mr. Dolan might be right, they are in a way like us, we prejudge people, some of us are nice some are not. I think they are also like us in that.
This is what I’m thinking now... the eventual evolution of man has to be with machines. We have Elon with “neural link”. Everyone has a cell phone in their hand, it might as well be super-glued to them now. Some people are ready now (esp. the millennials) to hook up with the “Borg”. But, those of us not too keen to be tied to every nut who walks loose will hold that back.
What I saw, was 3 beings. 2 seemed to be sitting (but I actually didn’t see the chair) maybe they are shorter. But, to me, they seemed to be in front driving the craft. The taller one was behind them, he seemed to be in charge. When one of the little ones said (telepathically) “don’t be scared we won’t hurt you”, I was so relieved & thought (as a kid would) “OH, maybe we can be friends & I can ride in their spacecraft”?!
But, no, as soon as the little one “said” that, the tall one told it, “don’t bother, we are lower than dirt.” I was of course insulted and thought back “HEY! I’m not bad.” He slowly turned that ugly mug towards me (because by now he was between our house & the neighbors). *shiver, I just crouched down next to my moms legs behind her skirt, to hide.
But, you see, that one (in charge) was able to turn off the little one's thoughts just like a light switch. Immediately. So, now I’m thinking they could be us in the future (or an advanced life form) that already has gone through an evolution. They might have made those little ones as workers. Like them, but they can command them & they obey. Maybe they are part of them, part robot.
Now, this might be a bit far fetched but what if these things came here when we were monkeys (if you believe in evolution) what if they monkeyed with our brains & tried to make us into their worker slaves. But, somehow... something or someone (higher being) said “Ah hell no” and we became uncontrollable. We became more self-aware. We no longer were good slaves, we started to think for ourselves (the natural evolution of man). So, they bugged out & left us here.
Maybe they have come back to check on what they’ve done? I’m pretty sure they are not “angels” & “demons” like we were taught in Sunday School.
And, Mr. Dolan is so very right when he says, there is pure evil in man & lovely things as well. But, don’t kid yourself, some people are pure evil. Their very beings/souls once dead should be thrown into the sun. Some people are just so bad, there is no redemption. No need for eternal hell. Just make them gone.
I’d like to be God just for one day.
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Ouch Lonevoice, I think I can answer this one. It is "widely reported" in UFO circles (and more circles) that we are being "changed". I mean evolution from monkey to todays man. Somebody tweaking the noodle has been brought up. Of course, you will say it is the natural evolution of man. BUT, we have kind of moved forward pretty fast... plenty of people are saying we are being given information or advancements from outside this world. Captured crafts & the military using things like remote viewing or things they got from those crafts. We can't prove it here.
I'm not into genetics but I did hear something about people messing around w/genetics. hum, not sure how far to go with this, but I have 2 IVF grown children. One was frozen for 5 years. There was some monkeying around with the embryos but that is all I'm going to say. And yes, both are extremely successful. One beyond what I could have ever dreamed. Could just be the luck of the draw.. but I know others that it was a little more than just "the luck".
I tried to post a photo of the embryo from 1989 for you to see but it won't attach.
Ouch Lonevoice, I think I can answer this one. It is "widely reported" in UFO circles (and more circles) that we are being "changed". I mean evolution from monkey to todays man. Somebody tweaking the noodle has been brought up. Of course, you will say it is the natural evolution of man. BUT, we have kind of moved forward pretty fast... plenty of people are saying we are being given information or advancements from outside this world. Captured crafts & the military using things like remote viewing or things they got from those crafts. We can't prove it here.
I'm not into genetics but I did hear something about people messing around w/genetics. hum, not sure how far to go with this, but I have 2 IVF grown children. One was frozen for 5 years. There was some monkeying around with the embryos but that is all I'm going to say. And yes, both are extremely successful. One beyond what I could have ever dreamed. Could just be the luck of the draw.. but I know others that it was a little more than just "the luck".
I tried to post a photo of the embryo from 1989 for you to see but it won't attach.