Robert Bonomo on how 9-11 Truthers defeated Hillary |336|

It's honestly quite disturbing. I can only hope that the media is making it look like a bigger deal than it actually is, and by that I mean either inflating protest participation numbers or not showing how small the crowds actually are.
Go to Alternet and read some stuff there if you want to learn what SJWs are standing for... But prepare for nausea and headache afterwards - BS concentration is at dangerous level in atmosphere there. :eek:

And notice that these "anti-capitalists" didn't even mention Trump's recent dismantling of the Trans-Pacific Partnership - they prefer to howl about his "misogynistic fascism"...
 
Everybody now has the historic opportunity to watch a brutal dictatorship in the making, simply by watching the news and following the presidents executive orders. Truthers defeated Hillary.
 
Everybody now has the historic opportunity to watch a brutal dictatorship in the making, simply by watching the news and following the presidents executive orders. Truthers defeated Hillary.
It's always somebody else's fault, isn't it Jurgen? I disagree, it's all of our fault, there just isn't enough honest self reflection in the West.
 
It's always somebody else's fault, isn't it Jurgen? I disagree, it's all of our fault, there just isn't enough honest self reflection in the West.
I didn't mention any faults. I am just drawing attention to reality unfolding, but as you rightly said, we are the architects, craving for a leader to lead us rather than leading ourselves.
 
Everybody now has the historic opportunity to watch a brutal dictatorship in the making, simply by watching the news and following the presidents executive orders. Truthers defeated Hillary.
"...simply by watching the fake news..."

Come on Jurgen, it's time to stop listening to those God-awful lying fake-intellectual bastards. The US has been responsible for some brutal dictatorships before. Now is the chance to shut down the creators of chaos in the deep state responsible for many of them.

Saying, "you're fired!" is quite a long ways from brutally executing one's enemies, so I think you do the victims of legitimately brutal dictators a severe disservice by parroting this melodramatic sentiment from the fake news SJW echo chamber.
 
I didn't mention any faults. I am just drawing attention to reality unfolding, but as you rightly said, we are the architects, craving for a leader to lead us rather than leading ourselves.
As Hurmanetar says 'Come on Jurgen'. :)

Maybe you didn't mention 'fault', but I'm sure I wasn't the only one here that felt the finger being pointed. You seem to be judging? You seem convinced that this site is full of 'Truthers', who you seem to disagree with. The statement 'Truthers defeated Hillary' is nonsense in my opinion.

What defeated Hillary was Hillary herself! Enough people saw through her, as you yourself said she is an ego maniac. Her and Trump both, what a choice to have. I couldn't have voted for either. Some of my American 'friends' defriended me on Facebook because I stated my views about Hillary. I thought they were bigger than that, obviously not.
 
Saying, "you're fired!" is quite a long ways from brutally executing one's enemies, so I think you do the victims of legitimately brutal dictators a severe disservice by parroting this melodramatic sentiment from the fake news SJW echo chamber.
I hope that you're right Hurm, but I'm yet to be convinced! He's not a 'nice' man, and it isn't going to be pretty. I just hope he doesn't blow all of us to hell because his ego gets offended! :eek:
 
I hope that you're right Hurm, but I'm yet to be convinced! He's not a 'nice' man, and it isn't going to be pretty. I just hope he doesn't blow all of us to hell because his ego gets offended! :eek:
I'm amazed at people's inability to see more than 1 dimension of a person. I forget who said it, but in attempt to explain why gurus who get famous often devolve in scandals... the phrase "lines of development" stuck in my head.

There are lines of moral and intellectual development. Lacking in one area or being advanced in another does not define a person in total. How many of the judgmental people around here would be such pure saints if afforded great wealth and power?

Trump confessed years ago to David Letterman that among his siblings growing up, he was the brat. But he went to a military high school and they straightened him out quite a bit though he still considers himself to be a brat!

Making some piggish comments may reveal a defect of character on one line of development but says nothing about other areas of moral development. It's perfectly possible for a pig to also care deeply about the success of the average American and to be deeply troubled by the rotting inner cities.

It's also perfectly possible for a man with a 4th grade vocabulary to be highly intelligent when it comes to making critical judgments about people in positions of power or economics.

Maybe you (the general you, not you specifically) have more verbal intelligence than Trump and have never made a dirty joke, but perhaps you suck at leadership and have never been in a position of power where your character was tested?

The one-dimensional analysis and intellectual snobbery in the fake news and SJW echo chamber is disgusting.
 
Hurm, for me that simply boils down to apologetics.

I, personally, expect a certain level of decorum and dignity from the POTUS. I'm willing to watch "President" Trump versus "Candidate" Trump, but I will not be forgiving in my assessment if he doesn't clean it up so to speak. There's really no excuse as there's a limit to ends justifying means. (For me at least.)
 
Making some piggish comments may reveal a defect of character on one line of development but says nothing about other areas of moral development. It's perfectly possible for a pig to also care deeply about the success of the average American and to be deeply troubled by the rotting inner cities.

I get what you're saying, we all have strengths and weaknesses, and we have all made comments that are from ego and that we maybe regret. While I'm sure that he'll do some things that I think are positive, I'm equally sure that I won't approve of many of his policies. I agree that the fake news and hypocrisy around is disgusting.

America isn't the world and only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorists. While the behaviour of the democrats (for one) is disgusting. I can't see Trump being much better. Until we stop seeing things in nationalistic and other types of tribal bollocks that only lead to more discord and suffering, we are totally missing the point. When I see Trump displaying such behaviour, I'll be on his side, but miracles don't happen very often. Still, we live in hope. :)
 
It's also perfectly possible for a man with a 4th grade vocabulary to be highly intelligent when it comes to making critical judgments about people in positions of power or economics.
It just seems incomprehensible (unless Trump truly has some borderline personality disorder) that he would indulge in such odd mistruths and shocking, discordant boasts: stuff that is immediately seen through, alienates his key staff, upsets his republican colleagues and provides the press with a daily diet of weird. I am in no doubt he suffers from deep insecurities that have probably been manageable as a leader of a large corporation, but are not massaged and soothed in public office.

He is badly compromising his credibility and exhausting his political capital. While I try and avoid hyperbole (try;)) it seems to me that things are unravelling at a remarkable rate. If that's a plan, it's a pretty dumb one.
 
Everybody now has the historic opportunity to watch a brutal dictatorship in the making, simply by watching the news and following the presidents executive orders. Truthers defeated Hillary.
the premise for the show's title was:
- the vote against Hillary was a vote against the establishment.
- "truthers" like me are post-partisan... we are not Republican in any way.
- "Bush brought down the towers..." IT says it all:
 
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It just seems incomprehensible (unless Trump truly has some borderline personality disorder) that he would indulge in such odd mistruths and shocking, discordant boasts: stuff that is immediately seen through, alienates his key staff, upsets his republican colleagues and provides the press with a daily diet of weird. I am in no doubt he suffers from deep insecurities that have probably been manageable as a leader of a large corporation, but are not massaged and soothed in public office.

He is badly compromising his credibility and exhausting his political capital. While I try and avoid hyperbole (try;)) it seems to me that things are unravelling at a remarkable rate. If that's a plan, it's a pretty dumb one.
You're seeing everything through the discredited distorted lens of fake news. Turn off the boob tube.
 
Hurm, for me that simply boils down to apologetics.

I, personally, expect a certain level of decorum and dignity from the POTUS. I'm willing to watch "President" Trump versus "Candidate" Trump, but I will not be forgiving in my assessment if he doesn't clean it up so to speak. There's really no excuse as there's a limit to ends justifying means. (For me at least.)
Expectation of decorum is fine. Skepticism is fine. Criticism of policies based on a detailed analysis of facts is better.

It's the mindless repetition of, "omg, Trump is like literally Hitler" that is stupid and annoying.

If Trump executes American citizens extrajudicially with drone strikes like Obama did or through other means, I will have something to say about that. Haven't seen that yet. All I see is him scrambling to get the smoldering economy back on fire before the Fed has a chance to snuff it out completely.
 
My next post will be in six months time, perhaps never. I will refrain from quoting my lines here. By which time we will see all the beautiful visions of the leader come into shape, the Wall, end of women claiming their right over their body, no more Muslims entering, the Russians reclaiming Eastern Europe, Carbon emission back on track, Pipelines galore with American steel. Any protesters? A thing of the past. Sick people can fend for themselves, they did before, poor people can die anyway. America first and "it will be the most beautiful thing in the world anybody could ever imagine". "Fake News" reporters - in prison, and liberals and protesters. Prison? No, no room, camps will have to do. Then finally we will see some "real news", the news the leader wants us to see. He knows best and all the billionaires in the cabinet, because they have the inside knowledge - they know what's best for us. You might think didn't "Fake News" uncovered Watergate and Fifa corruption, publish Wikileaks and other things??? Naaaa, it was all fake news in the first place, but now we will have TRUTH, because we are Truthers.

I am seventy now, being German history was a core subject, read Machiavelli, discovered where my parents Generation went wrong after the Weimar Republic, heard first hand from survivors, met a person who survived the camps, heard all the excuses after the war, the justification. Unfortunately it didn't bring back the dead. Oh yes, I forgot, it all happens for a reason and for the greater good. Now is day zero and soon America will be great again - and on its own - but first.
 
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What if he executes non-American citizens? That's surely the more realistic point.
Hillary and Obama created ISIS. The Russians and Syrians are fighting them. Since we are already in a de facto state of war in that area, I'm okay with helping clean up the mess we created (drone striking the deplorable operatives we funded, armed, and set up) and then getting the hell out so Syria and Iraq can become stabilized again.

I'm not okay with drone strikes in sovereign nations where we're not at war, and I'm not okay with going to war without a declaration of war from congress and that only after a long soul-searching public debate about it... which would most likely result in us not going to war again.
 
You're seeing everything through the discredited distorted lens of fake news. Turn off the boob tube.
Well, unless I am seeing a hologram and hearing a dubbed voice I am basing my judgment on what comes from the pursed lips and cold, small hands of the man himself. Nothing like the source to get the sauce.

I find a certain demagoguery in the way terms like 'fake news' are used to shut down dissenting opinion, but the irony of the claim is enough to remind us to be vigilant with our dogma, lest we fall into the very authoritarian stupor we claim to oppose.
 
My next post will be in six months time, perhaps never. I will refrain from quoting my lines here. By which time we will see all the beautiful visions of the leader come into shape, the Wall, end of women claiming their right over their body, no more Muslims entering, the Russians reclaiming Eastern Europe, Carbon emission back on track, Pipelines galore with American steel. Any protesters? A thing of the past. Sick people can fend for themselves, they did before, poor people can die anyway. America first and "it will be the most beautiful thing in the world anybody could ever imagine". "Fake News" reporters - in prison, and liberals and protesters. Prison? No, no room, camps will have to do. Then finally we will see some "real news", the news the leader wants us to see. He knows best and all the billionaires in the cabinet, because they have the inside knowledge - they know what's best for us. You might think didn't "Fake News" uncovered Watergate and Fifa corruption, publish Wikileaks and other things??? Naaaa, it was all fake news in the first place, but now we will have TRUTH, because we are Truthers.

I am seventy now, being German history was a core subject, read Machiavelli, discovered where my parents Generation went wrong after the Weimar Republic, heard first hand from survivors, met a person who survived the camps, heard all the excuses after the war, the justification. Unfortunately it didn't bring back the dead. Oh yest, I forgot, it all happens for a reason and for the greater good. Now is day zero and soon America will be great again - and on its own - but first.
Gawd... yes let's bring Sharia here so women can be "free".

If we see in six months time that you deserve the title "prophet" for these predictions enumerated above, then I'll eat my hat and gladly apologize for defending The Deplorable.

In my own "prophetic" vision I see two possible futures: the pedophilic deep state skitters away like cockroaches, and with the globalist jackboot lifted from the throat of the American middle class, the staggering economy gets back on its feet and 2 years from now prosperity has returned, the 4 corp media giants are slain with a stone and split into many independent and more trustworthy organizations.

The other possibility is that the deep state does not slink off into the darkness but makes one final bid to create the chaos necessary to return to power - a false flag nuke or EMP combined with sudden Fed rate hikes might do it.
 
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