Russ Dizdar, Are Christians Less Wrong About Ritual Abuse? |440|

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Russ Dizdar, Are Christians Less Wrong About Ritual Abuse? |440|
by Alex Tsakiris | Feb 11 | Spirituality
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Russ Dizdar is ex-law-enforcement and has 30 years of boots-on-the-ground experience with satanic ritual abuse.
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I have an interview coming up in a minute with Russ Dizdar. This is going to be a tough one for a lot of folks for a lot of different reasons. Here are some clips.
Russ Dizdar: [00:00:17] I was in Worthington, Ohio at the Police Academy called OPOTA, a law enforcement agent named Thomas Wedge, who wrote a book called The Satan Hunter for law enforcement. So I’m going through all of this, the very evening that I get home, I get a phone call from a frantic woman who said, “Somebody gave me your phone number. I have a stepdaughter that’s in the psych ward. She’s going to kill herself.” She goes into all of the stories about satanic stuff and rituals and blood rituals and animals being sacrificed. I sat down with a 13 year old, she’s there because she keeps writing over and over and over, “The ritual of the flames. The ritual of the flames. The ritual of the flames.” When I finally got enough engagement with her to talk about it, she said it’s a ritual that she has to do on her 14th birthday to prove her love for her mother, her mother, a satanic priestess.
So victim, this little girl, as I’m engaging here, began to have other personalities come up. Again, I’m a counselor, I’m trained, I’m in school, I’m trained to do things. I’m listening to this 13 year old and I’m listening to a male personality. Then I’m listening to another personality.

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Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:27] Why is that so hard to accept for most people? Moreover, why is it completely misrepresented in the media?
Russ Dizdar: [00:01:38] I would say the first part of this is the issue of grid. When you talk about investigative journalists that I deal with, psychiatrists, police officers, feds, if it’s not in your grid, in other words, if you’re trying to deal with a MS-13, a gang, they’re real, they’re a real gang, they’re a drug gang. They’re in my city now, up here in Canton, Ohio. They have certain markings, certain hand signs, certain clothing. So there are certain characteristics about a real gang. So when we deal with satanic crimes, very little teaching on that subject.
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Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:11] And I want to make sure we talk about MKUltra. You’ve thrown it out there. We’ve investigated it extensively on this show. It was in response to what they thought was a threat from Russia who was engaged in a lot of this activity. But there was also, as you point out, and I’m sure you will, there was a direct Nazi connection, where we had just picked up their research and said, “Gee, horrible thing that you’ve done, but let’s see if we can do it better.”
Russ Dizdar: [00:02:41] Alex, you’re a million percent right on that issue. When it comes to psywarriors, no question that the United States knew that they had to do something in the 50s to counteract what they learned about the Russians, what they were doing. What nobody was saying though… Step back, like you just did, step back another step. Where did the Russians get it? Where did the Americans get it? So, you do go back to the Nazis.
Alex Tsakiris: [00:03:06] I mean, you don’t have to go all the way there with the Nazis, but you can’t deny that they were interested in the occult. You can’t deny that those SS uniforms had the little skull and crossbones on them and that they were actively trying to seek all these occult objects in order to empower what they would do. Tell us what you saw and experienced when you were in the castle in Germany.
Russ Dizdar: [00:03:30] Well, that was the whole issue, where did it come from? We kept following the trail, following the evidence. So, I’ll say this real quick, modern day satanic ritual abuse is nothing less than the extension of the agenda of the master race that the Nazis started in 1939.
 
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Just tuned into this thread and became aware of the new show. But I have to pause and say that I am profoundly suspicious of these claims of ritual abuse. For one thing, if I add up all the claims that are being made, it seems that every man and his blighted dog are into it. Half the Prime Ministers of Australia have been accused of ritual abuse. So far all I have encountered is unsubstantiated claims made by people I whose bona fides I cannot verify.

More disturbing have been claims that these ritual abuse allegations are the product of Russian disinformation programs.

However I will not presume any conclusion until I have listened to the show. It will be interesting to see if I have changed my POV afterwards.
 
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Thanks for recording this Alex, my starting position is that I am both totally convinced and totally unconvinced by this phenomenon.

On the unconvinced side, I was influenced (rightly or wrongly) by the book Satan’s Silence by Debbie Nathan, which draws parallels between the 1980’s ‘Satanic Panic’ and the witch trials of 300 year before. I did try and get the false memory expert Dr. Susan Clancy on my show, but with no success thus far.

I also find compelling the idea that the panic was used to cover elite pedophile rings, such as the Franklin Cover up. Around the same time MI5 were covering up pediophile rings in Northern Ireland. I have always been of the opinion that the McMartin’s were the victims of a witch hunt.

As Michael pointed out the scale of the abuse is hard to believe if it’s affecting millions of people. Yes large scale criminal organisations exist, but not without us knowing about them.

On the other hand, I have for years read The Vigilant Citizen blog and am fully convinced there is a reality to the symbolism he is highlighting in modern popular music and cinema. I have no satisfactory explanation for this.

Most of the files on MK Ultra never saw the light of day and I do believe it was/is much more pervasive and effective than was ever publicly acknowledged.

Again I’m left to wonder, what are the best questions to ask here?
 

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Just tuned into this thread and became aware of the new show. But I have to pause and say that I am profoundly suspicious of these claims of ritual abuse.
Thanks for recording this Alex, my starting position is that I am both totally convinced and totally unconvinced by this phenomenon.
thanks to both of you... yes I was unconvinced going in but now ( and at this point I'm a few interviews ahead of the feed) I find the reality of SRA undeniable... and more importantly unprocessed... if you know what I mean. so, on one hand, we have people like former guest Dr. Hugh Urban and other academics I've spoken with who are required to see this is nothing more than anomalous psychology... and that's not to pick on Hugh, because I think he's a really small guy who's made some very good contributions, and I even think he knows that this Paradigm he's forced to work in is idiotic... but he has to hold the line or he'll lose his job. but the net net is the same... the official position ( and this works its way into the mainstream media as well but maybe for different reasons) is it none of this stuff is real.

And I guess that's where I was going with the "less wrong" stuff regarding Russ Dizdar. I mean, it's kind of a shame we have to turn to an apocalyptic evangelist preacher for a reality check :)
 
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This was an excellent interview, but not nearly long enough! I look very forward to the 2nd installment.

I thought it very crucial that he brought up Transhumanism, which was of course an enormous issue in the Jeffrey Epstein case. There are so many layers and no matter what anyone thinks about any of it, I’m just glad to be having the conversation at all. I’m not someone who needs convincing that SRA exists, that it’s global, connected to NAZI ideas, etc., but I still have so many questions and a few doubts, too.

I thought RD’s comparison of understanding Satanic symbolism to understanding a foreign language to be absolutely true and an effective way to express it. That means then Hollywood, sports performances, and lots of media are initiating us into their ritualistic world, whether we understand what’s happening or not. I equate it to circumcision or other religious rites that are still performed in this country far outside the public awareness of what they are actually about. It’s like crossing the border into a foreign country where you don’t speak the language, you are very vulnerable in such a situation. It’s also a double-bind, because it’s a language I don’t like and don’t care to speak, yet I must learn it anyway, because I’m stuck here now. I didn’t see the recent film Midsomer, because I saw Truthstream Media’s take on it, knew they were spot on, so knew enough to avoid that particular initiation ritual. Not that I think we can or should avoid it, that doesn’t work to solve anything, but still, we don’t have to bring it into the living room under the guise of entertainment!


It’s interesting that RD repeated a few times, for the very skeptical, but, ‘what about all the victims?’ I agree that we absolutely cannot turn a blind eye to them, or use the cop-out that they are all faking it, or it’s some kind of mass hysteria. First of all, even if it is all 100% hoax, well, hoaxes have victims, too. Is it any less real to someone if they only believed it happened, even if it really didn’t? Of course not. Last week I was sitting in the dentist chair getting a broken tooth fixed, couldn’t feel a thing, and yet, there were tears falling down my cheeks, so somewhere, or something in my ethereal being felt what was happening. How intense are nightmares, yet, they are not real. So if some group is making all this up just for kicks, pushing it on the public for whatever twisted reasons they might have, the trauma is still real, there are still victims and they should be uncovered and prosecuted just the same for spreading terror on the public.

My biggest doubt is, with all the surveillance capitalism, how is it possible there aren’t more arrests? This is totally baffling to me. I had to stop flying commercial because I can’t stand to be groped, and see others groped, for doing nothing at all, yet BigTech can’t find all these psychopaths in their midst? Suspicious on many levels to me.

I really look forward to hearing and contributing more to this courageous and necessary conversation!
 

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great post. thx.

I thought it very crucial that he brought up Transhumanism, which was of course an enormous issue in the Jeffrey Epstein case.
pls tell me more. links if you have.


I thought RD’s comparison of understanding Satanic symbolism to understanding a foreign language to be absolutely true and an effective way to express it. That means then Hollywood, sports performances, and lots of media are initiating us into their ritualistic world, whether we understand what’s happening or not. I equate it to circumcision or other religious rites that are still performed in this country far outside the public awareness of what they are actually about. It’s like crossing the border into a foreign country where you don’t speak the language, you are very vulnerable in such a situation. It’s also a double-bind, because it’s a language I don’t like and don’t care to speak, yet I must learn it anyway, because I’m stuck here now. I didn’t see the recent film Midsomer, because I saw Truthstream Media’s take on it, knew they were spot on, so knew enough to avoid that particular initiation ritual. Not that I think we can or should avoid it, that doesn’t work to solve anything, but still, we don’t have to bring it into the living room under the guise of entertainment!

... ‘what about all the victims?’ I agree that we absolutely cannot turn a blind eye to them
great points.

My biggest doubt is, with all the surveillance capitalism, how is it possible there aren’t more arrests? This is totally baffling to me.
not really... right... but I get what you mean.
 
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One of the commenters above (which you commented on) brought up the surveillance capitalism issue -- where's the freakin' evidence in this day and age where everyone is filming everyone else? What we have is mostly anecdotal evidence of victims, many of which may very well be victims of something very different than they claim. I think having a false memory expert on the show would be a good idea because I think it important to hear their side.

If the guest (and other previous guests) weaves a story that is true, a story that is sworn up and down throughout much of conspiracy culture, then it would point to an invisible culture. You've had guests come on to talk about an invisible college, an invisible military complex, etc. But for this story to ring true, it means there is an invisible culture or invisible society going on. And I don't mean "they're in the club and we're not" kind of thing. I mean an invisible society that has tremendous firewalls allowing little information to come out. Yet, many people making claims of widespread pedophilia rings (especially those using dark occult elements) also claim that this is going on in small-town America, right down the street from you and me. I have NOT heard anyone pushing the widespread pedophilia cabal stating otherwise. I could perhaps, maybe, kind of buy into a successful firewall instituted by international elites ... but small-town politicians, teachers, dog catchers, computer programmers, and the unemployed also have access to this same firewall? The whole theory makes NO sense when you think it through. People are looking at isolated incidents that pop up and trying to make lines from those dots. The closest thing we have are the international traffickers that are willing to make a buck off anything and are absent of ideology other than capitalism.
 
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Like Crystal, I am getting worried about this topic. The trouble is that it is easy to say that people with MPD have almost always been abused in childhood, but is this accepted generally among psychiatrists? Now I am more than willing to go after fake science and science that depends on 'consensus' is particularly dubious, but actually Alex, it might be more interesting and informative to go after the science of psychiatry more broadly. After all, this is a science that purports to explain aspects of consciousness. Interestingly, there are people making a case that psychiatry isn't really scientific:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/the-real-problems-with-psychiatry/275371/

(This is something I GOOGLED up on a whim as I wrote this reply - I am yet to read it in detail)

I am sure that Russ' advice to simply accept signs of Satan worship as motivational evidence is excellent - because we would all agree that the more child abusers that are caught and locked away the better.

David
 
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because we would all agree that the more child abusers that are caught and locked away the better.
I agree. We certainly don't need more abuse victims with multiple personality disorder. I'm trying to figure out the mechanics of it. We may assume that the abuser is surrounded by evil spirits. When the victim under abuse goes into the unconscious state, that must be the opportunity for one or more of such demonic entities to enter the victims body and commandeer it on occasion. This same sort of phenomenon can occur to a normal person in his sleep in his house if it has a ghost in it. this is commonly referred to as "sleep walking". I've read that spirits are responsible for 95% of sleep walking cases. It is important to cleanse one's house of any spirit activity. You don't want to end up doing a life sentence for killing your entire family in your sleep as what happened in one famous case of sleep walking.
 
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pls tell me more. links if you have.
Here’s a good one b/c they have references to follow:

“Besides his Ivy League connections in the United States, Epstein has recently poured money into Artificial Intelligence research abroad, namely the OpenCog research group in Hong Kong and MicroPsi Project 2 in Berlin. Forbes reported in 2013 that this AI research was targeted at the development of “radical emotional software.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/15/jeffrey-epstein-and-the-collapse-of-europe/
 
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I could perhaps, maybe, kind of buy into a successful firewall instituted by international elites ... but small-town politicians, teachers, dog catchers, computer programmers, and the unemployed also have access to this same firewall?
Perhaps . . Kind of? This is proven, you can look at the work of whistleblowers Richard Grove who talks all about the back doors of software with William Binney. Firewalls and backdoors are all part of the rigged system.

As for where small town folk come into it, they don’t need access to the same resources, they only need access to one person who does have access. You can look at an example like Mena, Arkansas to see how the small and big time corruption is in a kind of feedback loop. A tiny mountain town of 5,000 implicated at every level in the drug/weapons running of the Iran-Contra ‘scandal’ (criminal conspiracy). It’s very easy for someone ‘in the know’ to spot a potential collaborator. Ever tried to find crack in your local small town? You probably could not, but an addict could within a day, I guarantee it, they know the lingo, where to look, how to act.
 

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The whole theory makes NO sense when you think it through. People are looking at isolated incidents that pop up and trying to make lines from those dots. The closest thing we have are the international traffickers that are willing to make a buck off anything and are absent of ideology other than capitalism.
I get it... unfortunately on another very messed up level it makes total sense. power, control, blackmail...

this might be an easier place to start because it's on the front of everyones mind:
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRbZjD79rOP5_7gxsjuXXxU90JFxA:1581604134609&ei=Jl1FXsHeJOHB0PEP3P6HgA0&q=whitney+webb+epstein&oq=whitney+webb+epstein&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39j0l4j0i22i30l4.5702.5702..6135...0.0..0.84.312.4......0....1..gws-wiz.84hxAMTtwD8&ved=0ahUKEwjBifnE3s7nAhXhIDQIHVz_AdAQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

Just add the extended Consciousness sauce on top when you're done :)
 
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I agree. We certainly don't need more abuse victims with multiple personality disorder. I'm trying to figure out the mechanics of it. We may assume that the abuser is surrounded by evil spirits. When the victim under abuse goes into the unconscious state, that must be the opportunity for one or more of such demonic entities to enter the victims body and commandeer it on occasion. This same sort of phenomenon can occur to a normal person in his sleep in his house if it has a ghost in it. this is commonly referred to as "sleep walking". I've read that spirits are responsible for 95% of sleep walking cases. It is important to cleanse one's house of any spirit activity. You don't want to end up doing a life sentence for killing your entire family in your sleep as what happened in one famous case of sleep walking.
Yes, my concept is somewhat similar. Clearly the whole brain-spirit pairing is meant to endure for life. I like to think of the situation as being analogous to an analogue radio, which can be tuned to a vast number of different stations (spirits), but is left tuned the a favourite channel. When such a radio starts to wear out (e.g. capacitors dry out and change their capacitance) other stations will tend to intrude on the desired one, and the radio may start to drift from one station to another.

Thus damage of a variety of sorts might be enough to let other spirits in.

BTW, I have now read the psychiatric link the I posted above, and I'd recommend it to everyone here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/the-real-problems-with-psychiatry/275371/

David
 
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I agree. We certainly don't need more abuse victims with multiple personality disorder. I'm trying to figure out the mechanics of it. We may assume that the abuser is surrounded by evil spirits. When the victim under abuse goes into the unconscious state, that must be the opportunity for one or more of such demonic entities to enter the victims body and commandeer it on occasion. This same sort of phenomenon can occur to a normal person in his sleep in his house if it has a ghost in it. this is commonly referred to as "sleep walking". I've read that spirits are responsible for 95% of sleep walking cases. It is important to cleanse one's house of any spirit activity. You don't want to end up doing a life sentence for killing your entire family in your sleep as what happened in one famous case of sleep walking.
IMO the brillliant point that emerges from your post is that the human perps themselves have DID and that's how evil spirits control them. Then they in turn commit evil acts such as SRA. Deep thanks. N.B. ALEX.
 
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IMO the brillliant point that emerges from your post is that the human perps themselves have DID and that's how evil spirits control them. Then they in turn commit evil acts such as SRA. Deep thanks. N.B. ALEX.
I can't give you a link right now, but don't forget that some people with MPD are perfectly reasonable people - they don't have to be evil.

David
 
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I get it... unfortunately on another very messed up level it makes total sense. power, control, blackmail...

this might be an easier place to start because it's on the front of everyones mind:
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRbZjD79rOP5_7gxsjuXXxU90JFxA:1581604134609&ei=Jl1FXsHeJOHB0PEP3P6HgA0&q=whitney+webb+epstein&oq=whitney+webb+epstein&gs_l=psy-ab.3..35i39j0l4j0i22i30l4.5702.5702..6135...0.0..0.84.312.4......0....1..gws-wiz.84hxAMTtwD8&ved=0ahUKEwjBifnE3s7nAhXhIDQIHVz_AdAQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

Just add the extended Consciousness sauce on top when you're done :)

Alex,
I'm in a hurry so am rushing this response. My thoughts may be a little scattered. I have read those articles from Mint Press News. In fact, I am the one who brought them to your attention (around the time you had Sarah Westall on). Yes, there is a sort of intelligence agency--corporate big wig fusion that uses various methods, including blackmail, to trap individuals for various purposes. And sometimes they exploit people's predilections for illegal sexual wants. Of course, that is true. (And the Whitney Webb articles makes quite clear that this was going on well before the Operation Paperclip.) I think that series is full of excellent investigative reporting.

But that is NOT what we are talking about here. It is one thing to read the believable Webb articles and another to leap forward to what Dizdar and Westall are saying. Someone like Epstein recruited young women, likely 16-20, with perhaps an occasional 13-15 year-olds exploited as well. As far as we know, the following is true about the Epstein story: It is not a story of satanists. It is not a story of the occult. It is not a story of human sacrifice. It is not a story of babies, toddlers, young children being traded and rat-lined to other big wigs. It isn't even a story of pedophilia (as far as the definition goes).

The Westalls and the Dizdars are good at finding circumstantial evidence and building a huge case around it. They see/read about a crime of passion or murder in a house where there is a practicing wiccan/occultist and make giant assumptions. I bet there are a hundred times as many crime scenes in which a giant crucifix is on the wall. They find ONE girl who talks about how bad "occult" things will happen because her 13th birthday (or whatever it was) was coming up. What kind of trauma did that child experience? What movies does she watch? Who does she hang out with? Does she go to church? How stable are the people/family around her? NOTHING from this ONE incident causes me to believe that there is a generational baby-sacrificing cannibal coven interwoven throughout society. It is ludicrous. They see an abandoned house full of all kinds of childish curiosity -- pentagrams, swastikas, wiccan symbology, perhaps even proof of a sacrificed animal -- and assume cults are sacrificing the community's children.

I've read the Peter Levenda trilogy Sinister Forces. I have also watched Hellier, which points to similar claims made in Sinister Forces. I can buy demonic forces. I can buy a certain percentage of the population having a defective psychopathy "gene" that causes these people to have a lust for power. I can buy that some elites or people in power practice very different religions than claimed. But even this is mostly speculation. And any sinister forces still have to "work" within a material world. Other than, say, some MK Ultra cherry-picking, anomalous circumstantial evidence like the Finders cult, or the work of people like Dizdar, what do we have? Not very much.

I think we need another side of the story. I think you do need to have on Satanic Panic experts. I think you do need to have on people who can show how unreliable recovered memory techniques are. I think you need to have on someone like Mitch Horowitz who can talk about the occult in ways that calms the hysteria surrounding this subject matter.
 
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