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Acosta has been reported to have said he gave Epstein the sweetheart deal in 07 because he was told “Esptein belonged to intelligence.” https://www.dailywire.com/news/49355/acosta-was-told-epstein-belonged-intelligence-ryan-saavedra

Look into Epstein’s primary benefactor Leslie Wexner and his connections to Iran Contra. Epstein was Ehud Barak’s pilot and bagman for a time. Epstein’s main procurer and henchwoman was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of superspy Robert Maxwell. His perversions sure make for excellent plausible deniability if it goes beyond him.
 
The daily wire does its fair share of tabloid journalism. It doesn't mean the story isn't true, but we have no real proof that it is. We would be guessing. And we can play these games of guilt by association all day long but without proof, it means nothing. Your theory could be correct but to believe it would be dangerous.
 
The daily wire does its fair share of tabloid journalism. It doesn't mean the story isn't true, but we have no real proof that it is. We would be guessing. And we can play these games of guilt by association all day long but without proof, it means nothing. Your theory could be correct but to believe it would be dangerous.
Hi - and welcome to the forum!

Agreed - we have to be careful not to go down the avenue of condemning someone just because he was involved in the case. Acosta has, of course claimed that he intervened to stop Epstein being released with no prison time at all (I don't know how such a thing is possible - but I guess what he said would have been refuted by now if it were false) and could not impose a longer sentence. I hope Epstein is not released on bail and permitted to flee, and that he gets his just deserts!

Assuming he is telling the truth, jobs like his must be incredibly stressful because you will make a ton of enemies whatever you do. Also everyone in the Trump cabinet also attracts enemies simply for supporting the President!

David
 
I hope Epstein is taken down, and with him, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. Alan Dershowitz, and a million others. But I'm not holding my breath. :)
And yes, Trump's cabinet does take a lot of crap, but to be fair, most of them were picked to do the opposite of what the job position is. That's going to create some firestorms.
 
The only item in my post for which there is not documented evidence is the quote from Acosta. The other associations are not guilt by associations. The daughter of a media mogul mossad operative was clearly Epstein’s madame unless you do not believe the multiple accusers who have said as much. Les Wexner’s ownership of the CIA cutouts responsible part of the Iran Contra ratline is also documented. His relationship with Barak - the same. Epstein’s travels to conflict zones, again - documented. One of Epstein’s slavegirls learned to fly on his lap from age 12 - taken from a conflict zone after which Epstein bragged about buying her from her parents. I don’t “believe” anything - there is clearly much more to the story, from the documented facts, than a hedge fund manager with a sex addiction for teenagers - the man was a trafficker in conflict zones tied to others with similar backgrounds.
 
Acosta has been reported to have said he gave Epstein the sweetheart deal in 07 because he was told “Esptein belonged to intelligence.” https://www.dailywire.com/news/49355/acosta-was-told-epstein-belonged-intelligence-ryan-saavedra

Look into Epstein’s primary benefactor Leslie Wexner and his connections to Iran Contra. Epstein was Ehud Barak’s pilot and bagman for a time. Epstein’s main procurer and henchwoman was Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of superspy Robert Maxwell. His perversions sure make for excellent plausible deniability if it goes beyond him.
That is hearsay. I know of no official record of Acosta saying that. Do you have an official record? Otherwise, I suggest you take caution to not buy into fake news.

"The other associations are not guilt by associations."

The other associations are exactly guilt by association. Epstein was socially hyperactive. He crossed paths with a huge number of people.

"Les Wexner’s ownership of the CIA cutouts responsible part of the Iran Contra ratline is also documented."

Well yes and no. I wouldn't call Wexner a "super spy". Just your run of the mill Zionist who happened to have enough money and connections to help get some things done for the cause. Again, association doesn't lead to Epstein running a Mossad Op. Many Jews are loyal to Israel and to the concept of Zionism. If they can pitch in here and there, they will, but not everything they do is for that cause. They can even screw their own by doing things, like selling Iran (or China who sells to Iran) all kinds of mil tech. It's a complicated world and greed and other human foibles complicates it further.

"there is clearly much more to the story, from the documented facts, than a hedge fund manager with a sex addiction for teenagers"

Maybe, maybe not. It is possible to be a hedge fund manager who sometimes does some things for the Zionist cause - or works for those who do - who also is a sleaze bag that likes teenage girls and who is a smart guy that enjoys the company of movers and shakers for its own sake.

I do not believe that Epstein has nearly the net worth that the media says he does. There is no documentation as to his wealth. We do not even know the status of the properties that are said to be his (liens, encumberances, other debt and agreements, etc). Lots of guys like Epstein pretend to be someone they are not, wealthier than they are, etc.

I do not see where there is any evidence that he has blackmailed or otherwise used illicit activities with underage girls to gain leverage over others. Of course, you would say, the victims of such leverage would never tell their story. However, one must question how someone like Alan Dershowitz would get pulled into a compromising situation with Epstein as the architect. Dershowitz, attorney to the elite, would be aware of blackmail schemes and would personally steer clear of such a trap. And Dershowitz is not stupid, understands criminality, etc.

Also, if a loose cannon like Epstein was black mailing dozens of high level people, there's a really good chance he would have had a boating accident (or something similar) by now - especially after the first time he was arrested. That fact that he's still walking around wasting oxygen is contrary to what conspiracy theorists are proposing.

IMO, this story is largely media hype. Probably a last ditch effort to sully Trump's name - even though Trump threw Epstein out of Mar a Lago and was the only one to cooperate fully with the prosecution of the many who were called (per the prosecution) in the original case.

IMO, Epstein is just a sleaze bag and the girls (now women) are lost souls (they always were) who are looking to get paid (Dershowitz says $millions have already gone to some in settlements) and the women are now talking in ways that indicate they were damaged and need restitution - some have filed suits this week.

This, at this point, is Steele dossier meets Kavanaugh confirmation BS with regards to anything beyond Epstein's personal depravity with teenage runaways. The status could change to something bigger, but it very well might not.
 
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Because the Democrats own the educational system, the mainstream media, and the entertainment industry,
In his book The Once and Future Liberal: After Identity Politics, Mark Lilla, professor of humanities at Columbia University, a liberal, explains how progressive students have been intellectually damaged by identity politics:​
(Excerpt by Ed Driscoll)​
As a teacher, I am increasingly struck by a difference between my conservative and progressive students. Contrary to the stereotype, the conservatives are far more likely to connect their engagements to a set of political ideas and principles. Young people on the left are much more inclined to say that they are engaged in politics as an X, concerned about other Xs and those issues touching on X-ness. And they are less and less comfortable with debate.​
Over the past decade a new, and very revealing, locution has drifted from our universities into the media mainstream: Speaking as an X…This is not an anodyne phrase. It sets up a wall against any questions that come from a non-X perspective. Classroom conversations that once might have begun, I think A, and here is my argument, now take the form, Speaking as an X, I am offended that you claim B. What replaces argument, then, are taboos against unfamiliar ideas and contrary opinions.

...​
Adam MacLeod wrote in Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials
I teach in a law school. For several years now my students have been mostly Millennials. Contrary to stereotype, I have found that the vast majority of them want to learn. But true to stereotype, I increasingly find that most of them cannot think, don’t know very much, and are enslaved to their appetites and feelings. Their minds are held hostage in a prison fashioned by elite culture and their undergraduate professors.​

...​
According to Camilla Turner writing in telegraph.co.uk:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ive-taught-schools-fuels-anxiety-young-women/
"Dr Joanna Williams, a lecturer in higher education at Kent University ...​
... said that if girls are instilled with a mindset of victimhood at a young age, it can set them back later in life. “When women go out into the world of work and experience obstacles, rather than persevering they think ‘oh these are the insurmountable barriers I was told about'."​
...​
Dr Williams said that the narrative continues at university where students are told that there is a "rape culture" or some kind of "epidemic" of sexual assault on campus.​
...​
“It is very difficult for women to present themselves as powerful, strong and capable if they think they need to be wary and anxious," she said.​

...​
4:25​
Camille Paglia: “It’s really started at the level of public school education. I’ve been teaching now for 46 years as a classroom teacher, and I have felt the slow devolution of the quality of public school education in the classroom.”​
...​
“What has happened is these young people now getting to college have no sense of history – of any kind! No sense of history. No world geography. No sense of the violence and the barbarities of history. So, they think that the whole world has always been like this, a kind of nice, comfortable world where you can go to the store and get orange juice and milk, and you can turn on the water and the hot water comes out. They have no sense whatever of the destruction, of the great civilizations that rose and fell, and so on – and how arrogant people get when they’re in a comfortable civilization. They now have been taught to look around them to see defects in America – which is the freest country in the history of the world – and to feel that somehow America is the source of all evil in the universe, and it’s because they’ve never been exposed to the actual evil of the history of humanity. They know nothing!”​
~2:04​
Camille Paglia: My generation of the 1960's, when I arrived in college in 1964 there were parietal rules in place so that the women in my dorm had to sign in at 11:00 at night. The men could run free. It was my generation that rose up and said that we wanted to be treated equally and we want freedom. And the colleges said the world is a dangerous place. You could be attacked you could be raped. We said, "Give us the freedom to risk rape. Freedom is much more important than protection and safety. And that's what young people have given up today.​
~5:59​
Christina Hoff Sommers: And right now the fashion is the identity politics, intersectionality, this is all the rage, and its the premise of this theory it's the idea that all the oppressions intersect with one another and form this matrix of oppression. And so young people in a typical gender studies class now learn that they inhabit a society that is this matrix of oppression and depending on your identity you might be advantaged so you have unearned privilege or you might be burdened because of your race or maybe your disability or your gender or preference and on and on. But underneath it all is this assumption that the United States is a white supremacist imperialist capitalist patriarchal oppressive society. And in order to liberate ourselves we have to, I don't even know what they want to do - because it's all - maybe blame one another and form - have little feuds, on social media and on campus.​
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
 
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Right now, those on the conspiracy sites are drumming up conjecture about the death of Tracy Twyman, a woman who researched, among other things, pedophile rings. Many are attempting to link the recent Epstein events with some kind of organized effort to take out conspiracy people researching "pedo rings." Once again, I can't definitively say it isn't true, but people need to learn a little discernment. It is likely that Epstein has friends in high places and probably has a head full of potential blackmail, but the proof of orchestrated murders is about as substantive as the murders related to the Whitewater scandal. And no one in mainstream media believes a conspiracy theorist so why would there ever be a need to "take one out?"
 
I hope Epstein is taken down, and with him, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump. Alan Dershowitz, and a million others. But I'm not holding my breath. :)
And yes, Trump's cabinet does take a lot of crap, but to be fair, most of them were picked to do the opposite of what the job position is. That's going to create some firestorms.
I am a Brit, so I see all this from a distance, but for me, several things stand out:

1) Unlike HC, Trump hates war. He realises that the US has engaged in a number of terribly destructive but limited wars, usually making things far worse, and often risking another world war - i.e. annihilation. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam..............

2) The President seems to have produced the changes that mean that Epstein and many others can now be brought to justice - Jim can tell you more. When Trump talked about the swamp while he was fighting the election, I am sure he was talking (in part) about men like Epstein. If he facilitated this crackdown, all power to him, but that makes me doubt that he is a paedophile himself - because he certainly isn't stupid!

3) He uses the military with extreme caution, and that is good. He also doesn't mind saying things that others can call 'weak' - for example his decision not to cause a lot of casualties in Iran in response to the downing of that drone.

4) It would seem that he went on one trip with Epstein in his plane. I don't imagine a man like Epstein would talk openly about what he liked to do, but I guess that one trip was enough to enable Trump to realise the true horror of this man. Lot's of men like women, and many of us can remember things we did with teenage girls (obviously consensually) when we were teenagers, but most men are not paedophiles - if we were, there would be no laws in place to stop this activity. It certainly seems possible that some of the hatred of Trump comes from people who are also in danger of facing justice for their own sex crimes. I also find it remarkable that despite a huge journalistic effort to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct, journalists had to be content with one lewd joke that got recorded, and lots of inuendo !

5) He is right about uncontrolled immigration, as Europe is gradually discovering. That isn't racist, it is to recognise that many cultures in the Middle East and Africa are very, very backward in their treatment of women. Also, the only way to solve Third World problems is to raise the material and cultural standards of those countries, not fill Western countries so that they return to Third World standards. In Britain, for example, there is a problem with Muslim girls being taken abroad by their parents to have their labia removed (so called female genital mutilation). This is usually done in non-sterile conditions with no anaesthetic. It proves very difficult to prosecute this crime - though it obviously amounts to grievous bodily harm.

6) A lot of people on this forum are dubious about climate change - so is this physics Nobel Laureate:

https://www.mediatheque.lindau-nobe...ver-global-warming-revisited/laureate-giaever

The President is also obviously sceptical about this - particularly since the agreements put no restrictions of countries like India and China - who are opening fresh coal mines and power stations as hard as they can go!

7) A lot of people over here admire Trump (despite some gaffs) and wish him every success in the election next year. Don't be fooled by the idiots who flew that balloon over London for his 'benefit'.

Of course, you are totally free to put an alternative point of view on this forum, but preferably with a few more facts. I also hope you are interested in some of the many other (ultimately more important) subjects that we discuss here.

David
 
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2) The President seems to have produced the changes that mean that Epstein and many others can now be brought to justice - Jim can tell you more. When Trump talked about the swamp while he was fighting the election, I am sure he was talking (in part) about men like Epstein. If he facilitated this crackdown, all power to him, but that makes me doubt that he is a paedophile himself - because he certainly isn't stupid!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/justi...of-epstein-evidence-for-10-years_2996970.html
"The evidence was there. What was missing was the institutional desire to prosecute child sexual abuse. The institutions failed the victims. And the media has failed the public by not demanding those in power answer a simple question: “Why?”​
The answer to that question lies with the Department of Justice headquarters, also known as “main Justice.” They knew. Epstein’s criminal defense lawyer Alan Dershowitz has stated that the plea deal “went through numerous levels of approval at main Justice."​

The article at the link has more details. There was a ton of evidence, but there was no inclination by top level officials to bring justice for the victims. Until Trump.
 
Alan Dershowitz responds to allegations at the link below.

Again, rather than the great pedo conspiracy, it looks like there is reason to believe that a bunch of messed up women, who were once messed up girls, are creating stories for personal profit. Epstein, no doubt, is a creep and is guilty of statutory rape (even consensual sex with a minor meets the definition - and I bet it was consensual), but the big conspiracy is a media fantasy based on BS told by the women looking to get paid.

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/201...ealed-epstein-lawsuit-documents-exonerate-me/
 
The only item in my post for which there is not documented evidence is the quote from Acosta. The other associations are not guilt by associations. The daughter of a media mogul mossad operative was clearly Epstein’s madame unless you do not believe the multiple accusers who have said as much. Les Wexner’s ownership of the CIA cutouts responsible part of the Iran Contra ratline is also documented. His relationship with Barak - the same. Epstein’s travels to conflict zones, again - documented. One of Epstein’s slavegirls learned to fly on his lap from age 12 - taken from a conflict zone after which Epstein bragged about buying her from her parents. I don’t “believe” anything - there is clearly much more to the story, from the documented facts, than a hedge fund manager with a sex addiction for teenagers - the man was a trafficker in conflict zones tied to others with similar backgrounds.
totally agree... seems to me like our inability to deal with the horrible-but-real is a larger problem than unjustly smearing the not-so-innocent.
 
totally agree... seems to me like our inability to deal with the horrible-but-real is a larger problem than unjustly smearing the not-so-innocent.
Alex,
We cannot smear the reputations of many based on inference, innuendo and hearsay. Evidence is required. Real evidence that meet legal standards. Not "it just makes sense to me that this is what's going on. I just know. It's obvious to me"

Mob justice and conviction by unsubstantiated claims is a "horrible-but-real larger problem " than anything Epstein may have done. It is antithetical to our entire system of justice and freedom.
 
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Alex,
We cannot smear the reputations of many based on inference, innuendo and hearsay. Evidence is required. Real evidence that meet legal standards.

Mob justice and conviction by unsubstantiated claims is a "horrible-but-real larger problem " than anything Epstein may have done. It is antithetical to our entire system of justice and freedom.
War has rules, mud wrestling has rules - politics has no rules -- Ross Perot

equivalent applicable to the court of public opinion.
 
War has rules, mud wrestling has rules - politics has no rules -- Ross Perot

equivalent applicable to the court of public opinion.
I would argue that war has no rules. If you fight by rules, you will lose - which is what happened to the US in VN, Iraq and Afghanistan. If we wanted to 'win" those wars we would have rounded up everyone and shot anyone who appeared suspicious, burned the fields and villages. We won WW2 in part because we did not obey rules (e.g. bombing the beejubus out of civilian cities). If you're not willing to go that far, then don't enter the fight. Personally, I don't think we should have been in those wars. I think the US should isolate and let the rest of the world burn itself to the ground, including Europe. They've been at each other's throats for hundreds of years. We'll do business with the winner.

The real war is internal. Our enemies know they cannot defeat us on the battle field, so they infiltrate and destroy us from within with info ops. I don't mean stupid Russian click bait on social media. I mean in the education and media systems and in politics. Look who is behind, say, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, some curry breathed communist and god only knows who is behind him. But his position isn't speculation. The donations are there for review and he is sitting with her as her manager (that's officially registered). He's a wealthy tech dude and his political views are also a matter of public record from his own mouth and writings. Not, btw, the same quality of evidence as some tramps accusing high profile people of going to an alleged Lolita island.

A country cannot be run on the court of public opinion. The founders addressed that problem repeatedly in their letters and discussions. The Senate was supposed to be educated wealthy men with skin (their wealth) in the game who would temper the house of reps because it was thought that the house would be more akin to the rabble.

Detoqueville, in his observation of American democracy stated that it would prevail until such time as the politicians realized they could bribe the people (what you see now with Bernie, et al).

Our society is the most free, just and prosperous in the history of the humanity. Yet very fragile. The bribes offered by liberals, the race baiting/identity politics, Kavanaugh hearings, the Steele dossier and this nonsense about pedo rings based on the despicable behavior of a lone twisted individual (Epstein) and the stories of some sorry tramps all push that fragility to the breaking point being taken up by the media. You won't like what follows.
 
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Jim - see previous comments to see the context of my statement. I was merely hoping Trump and Clinton would go down with Epstein. There is no concrete that has surfaced against either. All we have is hearsay and some eye witness testimony that we can choose to believe or not believe against both of them.

Eric, I think people have a waaaaaaaaay to narrow definition of what war is. Under Trump he has drastically increased economic sanctions on Russia AND Venezuela and Iran. These are extremely brutal acts that many consider illegal under the UN (and technically speaking many would be considered acts of warfare).

Donald Trump has also escalated drone bombing campaigns all over Africa and in the Middle East. He also dropped the Mother of All Bombs in Afghanistan. Trump has also kept the wars going in Afghanistan and Iraq, even escalating at times. Ditto Syria. I would hardly call any of the above caution.

I don't know who would have been worse between Hillary and Trump. I suspect Trump because his advisors include psychopaths like Bolton and Abrams, but we will never know. I think Trump has better with his language over Russia but in practice, he has been far far worse than Obama.
 
Eric -- your extreme right political paranoia is a little bit troublesome. No one is behind AOC. The reason people fear and hate her (and Ilhan Omar) is because she represents a new kind of politics and new kind of political energy. You can disagree with her politics but to make claims that she is some kind of puppet is a joke. If anything, it is the opposite. Ilhan and AOC are not controlled which is why right-wing media and elements of corporate media have been so harsh on them (especially Ilhan Omar). Ilhan Omar single-handedly blew the top off the Israel lobby. The last thirty years of politicians and organizing was unable to do that but she did so by simply making a few honest tweets and having a couple of controversial speeches.
 
They wouldn't be prosecuting Epstein if they didn't have solid evidence. If they have evidence against Epstein then there could be evidence against other people too. If there were hidden cameras all over Epstein's mansion, as many news reports say, that would be documented by the police. If there were cameras, where are the pictures and who is in them?

It is also possible for prosecutors examine victims, accusers, and witnesses and determine who are credible. Professionals know how to do that. They can't necessarily determine if any particular statement is true but they can reliably tell if someone is being forthright or deceptive. Then working with those who are credible, investigators may be able develop further evidence against Epstein and others.

 
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Eric -- your extreme right political paranoia is a little bit troublesome. No one is behind AOC. The reason people fear and hate her (and Ilhan Omar) is because she represents a new kind of politics and new kind of political energy. You can disagree with her politics but to make claims that she is some kind of puppet is a joke. If anything, it is the opposite. Ilhan and AOC are not controlled which is why right-wing media and elements of corporate media have been so harsh on them (especially Ilhan Omar). Ilhan Omar single-handedly blew the top off the Israel lobby. The last thirty years of politicians and organizing was unable to do that but she did so by simply making a few honest tweets and having a couple of controversial speeches.
Unlike conspiracy the conjecture of theories, the people and organizations who backed AOC are a matter of public record.
 
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