Steve Briggs, Meditation and Indian Yogis Lead to ET |397|

us constitution is pretty amazing document... 1st amendment.
Well your constitution will probably preserve the right to bear arms, while letting the MSM distort the news as much as it likes, and since GOOGLE (say) is a private company, it can manipulate its output any way it sees fit.

David
 
It isn’t just child abuse that has been the problem there have been women abandoned and left with children who will never know their father because the priest was promptly moved.
Right - because of the child abuse scandal, we tend to forget all the other sins of the priesthood. @Vortex BTW, the man who told me he was quizzed about masturbation in his Catholic school will be aged about 55 now, so this abuse must have taken place about 1980, long after science was preaching the evils of masturbation.
You are right about people becoming spiritual rather than religious (although it’s possible to be both).
Rupert Sheldrake certainly tries to live that concept, but isn't a big part of the problem associated with the idea of power concentrated in the hands of priests?
However, in my country I don’t really see spiritual groups getting together en masse to help the homeless, run food banks and credit unions etc etc that will take time, I think the government would have a problem without the charitable work that all the churches do.
Well here in Britain, I think spiritual groups aren't that organised.
We do have The Sunday assembly but as far as I know although they want all the good bits about church without God they seem to have thrown out the transcendent.
Agreed - we don't want the worship of philosophical materialism!
Actually, most churches sit on the fence as far as mystical and near death experiences are concerned, they are only safe if the person who had them is dead.
To what extent do you think they see these things as the work of the Devil - or put another way, they hate such reports because the aren't under their control?

David
 
I fear that allowing things we are offended or disgusted by be banned is a slippery slope.
I understand this POV, but profoundly disagree with it. For me its not so much a slippery slope as a minefield. By that I mean, in my case, I should be able to defend my objection to porn as something that has no contribution to the common good, and those who favour it defend their position that it is a good whose access should not be denied.

We do police acts that harm the common good, sometimes unjustly and catastrophically - as with the prohibition on alcohol, and later on drugs. Neither implicitly harm the common good, and lies has to be told. Policing conduct is a very different matter - as with drunk driving - neither alcohol nor driving is inherently harmful. Drunk driving is not permitted, but it happens.

In Australia the moral voice of the community was the Christian church - a role in which it performed very poorly, and so we ignored it. As it declined in influence libertarian spirits rose up and staked claims to liberties against muted voices. Our porn proponents risibly describe themselves as promoters of 'adult' entertainment. They draw profit from degrading and abusive conduct, and the gullibility of 'consumers'.

I do not suggest banning porn because I don't like it. Nor would I suggest it be banned on a moral whim. There is passion in the USA over the balance on the Supreme Court, which is seen to be favourable to a challenge of Roe v Wade. That would be an argument demanding discipline on both sides. A perceived conservative balance of numbers does not mean a weak argument will win on bias.

I think we need moral arguments rooted in insight, knowledge, compassion, respect - things that religious and political and commercial interests have abandoned in favour of retaining or gaining power. Of course, if governments become debased and corrupted and tyrants take over the slippery slope becomes a fundamental threat in any case.
 
You are right about people becoming spiritual rather than religious (although it’s possible to be both). However, in my country I don’t really see spiritual groups getting together en masse to help the homeless, run food banks and credit unions etc etc that will take time, I think the government would have a problem without the charitable work that all the churches do. We do have The Sunday assembly but as far as I know although they want all the good bits about church without God they seem to have thrown out the transcendent
I think spirituality has fundamentally religious, but then I define religion in a different way to most. I agree that religious infrastructure has led to the redevelopment and ongoing operations of charitable services. But here in Australia funding is increasingly coming from government sources as congregations dwindle, and churches are strapped for cash to meet compensation demands. But secular services are growing as well. Here, these days, there is a mix of religious and secular.

After a quick look at the Sunday Assembly I am quickly reminded of Alain De Botton's Religion for Atheists. I would say its not so much a case of throwing out the transcendent, as not wanting it pre-packaged and pre-digested - which is how some religious movements deliver it. I see benefit in disassembling traditional faiths and reconstructing them for our time - and that would mean that a lot of what was 'religious' is now secular. The awakening of awareness of the transcendent tends to happen naturally, and many folk don't want their awakening hijacked by hucksters and cheerleaders. They want to nurture it on their own terms. There's a dignity of risk that must be permitted.
 
Both are current fashions, and like all fashions, of limited life-span. Both have yet to face the full force of the backlash of the probable majority of sensible folk, though there are signs that said backlash has already begun. All I can hope is that it is a bloodless revolution, but fear it might not be.
There you are Alex. Michael Larkin has has summed it all up, gift wrapped and added a damned pretty bow on top. What's you next question?
 
I understand this POV, but profoundly disagree with it. For me its not so much a slippery slope as a minefield. By that I mean, in my case, I should be able to defend my objection to porn as something that has no contribution to the common good, and those who favour it defend their position that it is a good whose access should not be denied.

I do not suggest banning porn because I don't like it.

I think we need moral arguments rooted in insight, knowledge, compassion, respect - things that religious and political and commercial interests have abandoned in favour of retaining or gaining power. Of course, if governments become debased and corrupted and tyrants take over the slippery slope becomes a fundamental threat in any case.
I am not looking to defend the individual topics like porn, but I am strongly suggesting that there should be places where nothing should be banned. I question the statement of yours that ‘I do not suggest banning porn because I don’t like it’, with respect, I doubt that’s true. I think that all of us have issues, be they conscious or unconscious.

As I said earlier, we should not hide things away. They exist, so let’s begin to deal with them. It’s our whole consciousness. Everything included, warts, shit and all. It doesn’t have to be visible to everyone, unless they wish to see it. Are you troubled by porn on a daily basis?

Bias is everywhere. That’s one reason I’ve had a change of mind. Another is maybe that I’ve come to realise that the final sentence of yours that I’ve bolded represents reality for many. A lack of honesty or a willingness to turn a blind eye is all it takes to start the rot. I think many of our politicians are content with things that they should not be. Do you think they see this as being :

1) A spiritual ‘Things are as they are’, I’m trying my very best.
Or
2) Fuck them, I’m all right.

There is far too much of the latter in our politicians imo. But who am I to judge? Is this a valid question? I read recently that Ram Dass was a CIA asset years ago. Recruited to spread a message of peace and love, easier to control than throwing bottles and burning cars. Haha Who am I to say he wasn’t\isn’t. Nothing would surprise/shock me any longer.

I’ll take my chances with the internet’s porn, violence, hate speech and anything else it vomits up, rather than be policed by ‘well meaning’ corporations, governments or billionaires. One won’t be distinguishable from the other.

It’s all fascinating stuff.
 
Hi David and Michael
Re churches thinking NDEs/ mystical is experiences are the work of the devil or not under their control

I remember having an argument with an evangelical friend whose pastor had said that the devil was pretending to be a being of light, I thought that the devil would have been scoring an own goal if people turned their lives around and started living a really spiritual life. The control bit is more difficult, I can see both sides, mystical exeriences and NDEs are a theological minefield despite having a Bible full of them, but I wish churches would encourage people to be more open and make up their own minds.

I was very close to someone who had a near death and experience but it wasn’t until about fifteen years after he told me that I read Raymond Moody’s book and suddenly got a glimpse of how life changing it had been. After his death a friend sent me the Henry Thoreau quote. ‘If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music he hears, however measured or far away.’

He became involved with Peter Fenwicks research on NDEs and I went with him to a group for NDErs arranged by David Lorrimer. At the time I thought how lovely the people were and that once this work became more widely known the world would change. How naive can you get! This was early on as far as research as concerned and a good video was produced called Visions of Hope. Peter Fenwick said that we clothe these experiences with our mind eg. A Christian will identify the being of light as Jesus, a Buddhist the Buddha etc., as time has gone on I have watched people on you tube twist their experiences (If they are genuine at all) to suit their particular beliefs and I feel the waters are now very muddy indeed.

NDEs aren’t all sweetness and light, from my observation they bring a lot of pressure rather like beng the mountaineer in the H G Wells story The Country of the Blind, explanation at any depth isn’t possible and you will be misunderstood by friends and family. I also had no idea at the time just how wild, weird and frightening some mystical experiences can be, very difficult to put into a theological framework. Scientific research is another problem without verification although from time to time interesting cases turn up, I have just read the story of John Davis11 a West Virginia attorney and friend of the Kennedys, his doctor could not explain what had happened.

Michaels point about funding for charities becoming increasingly secular is also true in the UK, I would hope that care from a religious source might be a bit more caring and compassionate with a willingness to go the extra mile but there is also the risk of proselytising. The awakening of the transcendent does happen naturally and no-one would want it hi jacked but an acknowledgement from the churches that it is real could validate the people to whom it happens and allow discussion.
 
I had hoped that you were referring to a much deeper sense that reality might be flexible - that the mind could morph reality directly.

David
Yes, in the interview I was referring to the flexibility of reality in a more cosmic sense. Reality is highly malleable once we step out of 3-D limitations. Higher dimensional awareness as I have experienced it is literally a field of all possibilities. With a little training, one can move forward/backward in time or from one point in the cosmos to another in the blink of an eye. These skills do not require an advanced spiritual state, but they would come quite naturally to one who has achieved a reasonably high level of enlightenment...
 
Yes, in the interview I was referring to the flexibility of reality in a more cosmic sense. Reality is highly malleable once we step out of 3-D limitations. Higher dimensional awareness as I have experienced it is literally a field of all possibilities. With a little training, one can move forward/backward in time or from one point in the cosmos to another in the blink of an eye. These skills do not require an advanced spiritual state, but they would come quite naturally to one who has achieved a reasonably high level of enlightenment...
In Rishi Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (a treatise explaining siddhis or super normal powers), the sage describes dozens of siddhis including the ability to disappear from view, appear in two places at one time, travel to the sun or moon, levitate, know the past or future, become as small as a particle of sand, possess the strength of an elephant, restore life to a dead person, see things at great distances, know the thoughts of others, extend the normal span of life indefinitely, gain mastery over the 5 elements, attain omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience... There are dozens of siddhi abilities, but I suspect that few yogis possess these abilities today. There are accounts of miraculous feats performed by yogis, some of which have been carefully documented.

Trailanga Swami is reported to have lived 280 years. He was often seen floating on the Ganges naked. His peculiar habits bothered the British authorities and so they locked him in a Varanasi jail cell, however the following morning he was found sitting on the roof of the jailhouse. The Brits locked him up again, but again he was seen sitting naked on the roof the following day. These accounts are said to have been recorded in police journals. In an effort to expose Trailanga a skeptic offered the yogi poison. Trailanga drank the entire bucket-full while the skeptic writhed on the ground in pain after which the yogi explained the laws of karma to the crowd.

In the early 60's, Maharishi spent a lot of time in LA where he first taught meditation to Americans. He was lecturing one afternoon in Santa Monica when a long-time student of his passed in a hospital in a distant part of the city. According to the hospital's log, Maharishi had signed into the hospital at 2:00 and was with the woman at the time of her passing. However, he was also giving a lecture at that time at a house 50 minutes from the hospital.

One can draw one's own conclusions, but if these abilities are real then they support the idea that reality is indeed very flexible.
 
No I am talking about a different person. John Davis11 was a wealthy young attorney who was about to get involved with Bobby Kennedy’s presidential campaign, he had a road accident which caused seizures and the damage to his brain was progressive with continuing loss of IQ. He carried on working for some time and I think turned to drink, eventually his license to practice was removed, his wife divorced him, he was thrown out of his lodgings, his doctor said his life span was limited and he ended up practically living in a graveyard.

It was in the graveyard that he had his experience, difficult to say if it was a mystical experience or an NDE but he felt at the time that his brain was being re-organised. From then on the seizures stopped, he taught himself to talk properly again by looking in a mirror, learned Indian breathing exercises, his IQ increased by a rate that his doctor couldn’t explain, he got his license back, his wife remarried him, and he began to write spiritual poetry. When I was looking around the Internet I came across a medical report which said in effect that such a recovery was unknown, if I can find it again I will post it on the forum.
 
In Rishi Patanjali's Yoga Sutras (a treatise explaining siddhis or super normal powers), the sage describes dozens of siddhis including the ability to disappear from view, appear in two places at one time, travel to the sun or moon, levitate, know the past or future, become as small as a particle of sand, possess the strength of an elephant, restore life to a dead person, see things at great distances, know the thoughts of others, extend the normal span of life indefinitely, gain mastery over the 5 elements, attain omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience... There are dozens of siddhi abilities, but I suspect that few yogis possess these abilities today. There are accounts of miraculous feats performed by yogis, some of which have been carefully documented.

Trailanga Swami is reported to have lived 280 years. He was often seen floating on the Ganges naked. His peculiar habits bothered the British authorities and so they locked him in a Varanasi jail cell, however the following morning he was found sitting on the roof of the jailhouse. The Brits locked him up again, but again he was seen sitting naked on the roof the following day. These accounts are said to have been recorded in police journals. In an effort to expose Trailanga a skeptic offered the yogi poison. Trailanga drank the entire bucket-full while the skeptic writhed on the ground in pain after which the yogi explained the laws of karma to the crowd.

In the early 60's, Maharishi spent a lot of time in LA where he first taught meditation to Americans. He was lecturing one afternoon in Santa Monica when a long-time student of his passed in a hospital in a distant part of the city. According to the hospital's log, Maharishi had signed into the hospital at 2:00 and was with the woman at the time of her passing. However, he was also giving a lecture at that time at a house 50 minutes from the hospital.

One can draw one's own conclusions, but if these abilities are real then they support the idea that reality is indeed very flexible.

But the ability to shape reality gets sticky because there are some who can or would shape reality without regard for the good/safety of others. These folks are often called black magicians or dark sorcerers or tantrics (the dark side of that tradition). They scorn man-made laws, ethical behavior, and such. Some would say they've sold their soul to the devil. These dark traditions are popular among the globalist personalities currently running the show. Much of their training has come from some ET factions who are also nearly soulless by nature. The globalist secret societies are now beginning to crumble as they battle one another to survive.

Possibly the greatest of the crimes against humanity was committed by dark ET factions in concert with perverted humans in what is known as the Atlantean mutilation. Atlantis enjoyed a high level of material/spiritual attainment, but this was undermined by a dark agenda which included ET support. Mutilation refers to our DNA which was supposedly reduced to about 10% of its former glory. Expanded DNA is the key to super normal powers. The subversive faction knew that as long as humans possessed expanded DNA, it would be difficult to control them for obvious reasons (ability to read minds, see the future, etc.) and so a plot was hatched to reduce DNA to a level where the humans would be subservient and forced to function in an enslaved environment.

Meditation and such is the antidote to a reduced DNA. When consciousness taps into unbounded states it slowly regains what it was meant to have. That is why the yogic tradition has always been associated with siddhis. But this process takes time. Now there is a significant number of people who have meditated for 40-50 years in addition to many old souls incarnating in the past 20 years. Advanced incoming souls are being dealt with through various vaccinations that are damaging to the DNA (not to mention Big Pharmas agenda for the adult population).

Many have read about the manuscripts in Tibet and India that maintained that Jesus spent much of the missing years in India/Tibet where he learned various yogic practices. Had he not been of in an unusually high level of consciousness before he ever went east, he would never have mastered these practices so quickly, but apparently they came quite easily for him and proved helpful to his ministry later on.

I visited Hemis Monastery in Ladakh where records of Jesus were supposedly kept before they were shifted to Lhasa. Hemis is where the Russian journalist, Nicolas Notovitch claimed to have read the Jesus manuscripts and subsequently wrote the controversial book, Life of Saint Issa. Notovitch was discredited by the church who claimed the book was a hoax to make money. Notovitch claimed that high ranking church officials offered to buy the manuscript from him which he refused. The church was unable to fully discredit an Indian swami who also claimed to have read the Hemis manuscripts. I tend to believe the Hemis manuscripts are authentic if for no other reason than the church worked overtime to discredit them.
 
Possibly the greatest of the crimes against humanity was committed by dark ET factions in concert with perverted humans in what is known as the Atlantean mutilation. Atlantis enjoyed a high level of material/spiritual attainment, but this was undermined by a dark agenda which included ET support. Mutilation refers to our DNA which was supposedly reduced to about 10% of its former glory. Expanded DNA is the key to super normal powers. The subversive faction knew that as long as humans possessed expanded DNA, it would be difficult to control them for obvious reasons (ability to read minds, see the future, etc.) and so a plot was hatched to reduce DNA to a level where the humans would be subservient and forced to function in an enslaved environment.

Meditation and such is the antidote to a reduced DNA. When consciousness taps into unbounded states it slowly regains what it was meant to have. That is why the yogic tradition has always been associated with siddhis. But this process takes time. Now there is a significant number of people who have meditated for 40-50 years in addition to many old souls incarnating in the past 20 years. Advanced incoming souls are being dealt with through various vaccinations that are damaging to the DNA (not to mention Big Pharmas agenda for the adult population).
I'll be honest, I find that very hard to swallow. I mean, if people used to have access to all those super powers, how come they didn't see the threat coming and neutralise it in advance?
Also, what does it mean exactly to reduce our DNA to 10%? I mean does that mean that 90% of genes were lost, or what? Did we have more chromosomes than we currently have?

Where does this information come from?

David
 
Alex wrote: which value is important to you truth or compassion? this is not a trick question... and there is certainly no right answer.

Alex, there is a lovely analogy that I like that may shed some light on this question. A bird flies with two wings... the wing of compassion and love, and the wing of discrimination, intellect, and reasoning (assuming of course that these faculties are ferroting out truth). With only 1 wing the bird can't fly. With love/compassion but no discrimination/intelligence the people become like sheep. With only the wing of intellect there is the liklihood of prejudice, elitism, and all the rest. Balance is the key...
 
I'll be honest, I find that very hard to swallow. I mean, if people used to have access to all those super powers, how come they didn't see the threat coming and neutralise it in advance?
Also, what does it mean exactly to reduce our DNA to 10%? I mean does that mean that 90% of genes were lost, or what? Did we have more chromosomes than we currently have?

Where does this information come from?

David
The concept was presented to me by the Sirians, which I understand is not a credible source for most. I am happy to have people take me to task over the assertion. The Atlantean mutilation did not occur over night. It was a slow, insidious, drip drip process that occurred as a result of the Atlantean priesthood/temples being corrupted, after which the other pieces fell into place. I can't say what it means to lose 90% of one's genetic coding, but Psych textbooks say (used to say) that the average human uses about 5-10% of their mental potential. Where is the other 90% and why aren't we using it? My apologies for offering up ideas that I can't back up with anything more than ET tales. Must seem rather lame... so fire away. After all, the ET topic was one of the reasons Alex had me on the show.
 
Conspiracy is a hard pill to swallow, especially if it involves a coordinated effort between globalists and ET factions. Just seems like we would lack an effective counter attack. That might be the case if it were left entirely up to the human population, but humanity has help that will more than counter the ET element assisting the global elite.
 
Conspiracy is a hard pill to swallow, especially if it involves a coordinated effort between globalists and ET factions.
Yes, I guess that is part of it too - I mean if ET wanted to do us harm, they could just do it - why bother to conspire?

My impression has always been that that figure of 90% of the mind unused was only a guess.

David
 
Alex

I may get out your way end of January. My top junior player and I have been invited to the USTA National Tennis Training Center in LA. Should be fun. Some top ATP professionals train there...
 
s I said earlier, we should not hide things away. They exist, so let’s begin to deal with them. It’s our whole consciousness. Everything included, warts, shit and all. It doesn’t have to be visible to everyone, unless they wish to see it. Are you troubled by porn on a daily basis?
I am puzzled by your perspective - unless you are asserting the internet is something apart from a well-regulated community - a necessary zone of chaos. I understand that communities tend to foster common good while constraining common harm. There may be a realm in which the whole of human potential (for good or ill) exists - but I haven't conceived that as the internet, and I am not sure that's a good argument - but I am open to hearing more from you.

I am not troubled by porn on a daily basis, but neither am I daily troubled by pedophilia, sexual violence against women, gross injustice, violence against myself and so on - in terms of direct personal experience. As a person with a disability I am not daily troubled by discrimination and exclusion. Yet for the most part of the past 2 decades my professional role has been to support people with disability.

I think awareness of harm is sufficient. It is why we feed the hungry, house the homeless, and tend to the sick (well some of us do). The question might be where we draw the line - and that's a fair topic for debate. I note in the US that there is a passionate debate about whom should be helped and who is a 'freeloader'. Same thing here - and with the same result - polarisation and recriminations.

I don't think the whole of our consciousness should be manifest just because its there (in a metaphysical sense). We all manage our behaviour to conceal the 'warts, shit and all' to a greater or lesser degree. For me, part of the essential notion of humanity is a duty of aspiration to being a better self. In a complex pluralistic society geared to cater to then lowest common denominator (for that is where the profit is for many) I agree that the tendency is toward warts and all - the chaos of unmanaged emotions and instincts. But I don't think the solution is the creation morally gated communities that hide from that 'reality'.
 
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