Steven Snider (Reculse) Has Redefined the Parapolitical Middle |471|

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Here's the funny part.

A Third Position already exists, and is currently under active intellectual development.

Problem is, Americans are so brain-washed by a lifetime of media indoctrination from childhood to knee-jerk slam their minds shut at the slightest hint of anything "Nazi", they won't even give Third Position a few hours of serious study and fair consideration.

Irishman Keith Woods explains why Third Position is better than the evil ideologies of Capitalism and Communism is this short 6-minute video. I challenge you to challenge your brain-washing by watching it with an Open Mind...

Peace - Fairness - Virtue - Ecology - Freedom - Health - Harmony.

I suspect we encounter "Third Position" behaviour poping up all over the place - typically in small businesses and their relationships with their customers. The problem is that some of those enterprises will be more successful than others and will start to grow, and it all starts up again.

I actually suspect most or all of us here would subscribe to something like the TP as the ideal, provided it were stable and achievable without a bloodbath. Even the strongest supporters of Trump, or the strongest supporters of Biden, realise that America could be better than either of them. The argument revolves about which side will do least harm.

David
 
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I actually suspect most or all of us here would subscribe to something like the TP as the ideal, provided it were stable and achievable without a bloodbath.
I believe Third Position is possible without a blood-bath, if we encourage people to return to reality.

As Keith said in the video, there is nothing wrong with competition, and innovative business owners should indeed be rewarded for their creativity, just as workers should be fairly compensated for their work.

The unreality comes in when people accept unreal things such as:

* the idea that governments can borrow money forever without negative repercussions

* the idea that Monopolies don't need government regulation

* the idea that nobody is stupid or lazy
 
#23
People who are promoting a third way are usually people who have realized the establishment they trusted didn't deserve that trust, but they are still suffering from the original brainwashing that prevents them from recognizing the opposition to that discredited establishment is right.

You find this in materialist scientists who accept the empirical evidence proving psi is real, but they still think psi can be explained by known physics.

You find this in mainstream biologists who recognize neo-darwinism and materialism can't explain the origin life and macroevolution, but they aren't willing to acknowledge that the best explanation for it is the logical argument based on empirical evidence that intelligence had to be involved.

And you find it in activist militant atheists who are refugees from traditional religion, but they can't bring themselves to accept the truth about spirituality that organized religion tried to cover up.

In this podcast we have a theory that acknowledges progressivism is just another form of cynical social manipulation for the benefit of the rich and powerful. But it is ridiculous to postulate there is a cynical conspiracy to promote Trump when the Democrat party, FBI, DOJ, the federal bureaucracy, multinational corporations, pharmaceutical companies, academia, Hollywood, wall street, foreign intelligence services, social media, establishment republicans, the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas are all against Trump. The best explanation for why every power center in the world is against Trump is that he is an existential threat to the conspirator's sources of power and wealth.

Steven wants to use the psychological techniques he is complaining about to manipulate the world in the way he thinks is good.
This makes him the evil he is afraid of.

A better way to cope with psychological manipulation is not to adopt it but to expose it and educate people about it. Adopting manipulative techniques is a bad choice because no matter how altruistic your motives are, there will be people around you waiting for the chance to twist what you are doing for their own purposes, either pushing you out or waiting until you die.

You can't create a utopia by using deceptive underhanded means because the leaders of that utopia will inevitably be those who are best at using deceptive underhanded techniques.
 
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People who are promoting a third way are usually people who have realized the establishment they trusted didn't deserve that trust, but they are still suffering from the original brainwashing that prevents them from recognizing the opposition to that discredited establishment is right.
False.

You don't even know what Third Position is.
 
#25
I think the biggest problem for the Third Position is that a society like that would be unstable like a pencil balanced on its point.

As soon as one entrepreneur began to get ahead, the system would revert to the norm with powerful people and the rest.

I don't know how that could be solved.

David
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

The Third Way is a political philosophy and political position akin to centrism that attempts to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of centre-right and centrist economic platforms with some centre-left social policies.[1][2] The Third Way was created as a re-evaluation of political policies within various centre-left progressive movements in response to doubt regarding the economic viability of the state and the overuse of economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularised by Keynesianism, but which at that time contrasted with the rise of popularity for neoliberalism and the New Right starting in the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s.[3] The Third Way has been promoted by social liberal[4] and social-democratic parties.[5] In the United States, a lead proponent of the Third Way was former President Bill Clinton.[6]​
Major Third Way social-democratic proponent Tony Blair claimed that the socialism he advocated was different from traditional conceptions of socialism and said: "My kind of socialism is a set of values based around notions of social justice. [...] Socialism as a rigid form of economic determinism has ended, and rightly".[7] Blair referred to it as a "social-ism" involving politics that recognised individuals as socially interdependent and advocated social justice, social cohesion, equal worth of each citizen and equal opportunity.[8]​

Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein were best friends. Bill Clinton's support of the Third Way ought to convince anyone that it is a parapolitical operation.

The third way is a scam to spread socialism. The idea that it is a compromise is part of the scam.

One of the tactics the left uses over and over is to pretend to compromise with the conservatives. Conservatives make concessions but the left never lives up to their side of the agreement.

In case there are one or two conservatives reading this, you have to understand that it is hard for people who are basically honest and trustworthy and maybe God fearing like yourselves to understand that there are people who have no concern about being honest or fair, they have no sense of personal honor, all they care about is promoting their ideology and they believe that end justifies any means possible including lying, and violence. Steven's proposal to use the same parapolitical tactics he is objecting to ought to make that perfectly clear.

The third way is a scam to spread socialism.

"Social Justice" = Cultural Marxism, a philosophy that groups all people into either the oppressed or the oppressors.
"Social Justice" is the true institutional racism in our society that pigeonholes certain people into categories they are not allowed to step out of.

People are quick to forget that another racist ideology, Nazism, was a shortened form of National Socialism.

President Trump is defending the US constitutional system from racist socialist threats.
 
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#27
In the US we have a constitutional system that is unsurpassed anywhere in the world. It insures the rule of law and economic freedom. The constitution was designed by brilliant minds who lived through the dangers of tyranny and who also understood the lessons of history.

In our modern times people are badly educated and woefully ignorant of history. They don't understand the reasons the US constitution was designed as it was. People don't understand why freedom of speech needs to be defended, or why laws should be interpreted by judges according to how the laws were meant to be understood when they were passed, rather than the ideology of the judge.

We don't need a third way in the US. We need to defend our constitution, and educate our citizens.

No matter what system you have, there will always be evil people trying to corrupt it to suit their own selfish wishes. The fact that groups are exercising power outside the constitution in the US doesn't mean the system is flawed and should be replaced, it means we have to defend it.

President Trump is defending the US constitutional system from racist socialist threats.
 
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Recluse: [00:00:55] I want people to understand the techniques, especially in terms of psychological operations that are being used.
I mean, not just so you can recognize them, but so you can learn how to use them yourself
, because I mean, effectively, if we are going to have a third position or we aren’t simply going to try to sway one of the two dominant positions anymore, Just take humanitarian direction, what they’re currently geared towards.
We have to understand their techniques and their methods.
How can you trust anyone who admits he wants to use deceptive tactics?

What are his real objectives?

You have no way of knowing what he is really trying to do or if you can believe what he says..

What he seems to want is a world where everyone is practicing parapolitics.

Instead of trying to expose the lies and move society to be more open and honest where discussions can be based on facts and understanding, he seems to want just the opposite.
 
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In the US we have a constitutional system that is unsurpassed anywhere in the world. It insures the rule of law and economic freedom.
Seattle AntiFa Communists not being prosecuted for attacking Citizens proves your statement False.

You should investigate why the U.S. Constitution failed to prevent America from being taken over by Marxism.
 
#33
If you want to see a parapolitical psy-ops operation going down in real time, just follow the US election on the mainstream news media:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...t-on-trump-campaigns-pennsylvania-litigation/
On Sunday night, the Washington Post ran a complete mischaracterization of the Trump campaign’s litigation in Pennsylvania, erroneously claiming the campaign had dropped the claim of nearly 700,000 ballots processed illegally and in secret. The campaign did no such thing. In fact, because of a Friday ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in an unrelated case, the campaign strategically decided to restructure its lawsuit to rely on claims of violations of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The claim that 682,479 ballots were improperly processed and counted is still very much part of the suit.
 
#34
Alex - Small point of correction. Recluse said, "I know that sounds outlandish, but this is the type of thing that we really did throughout the cold war. I mean the strategic defense initiative, for instance, we never really thought would work. It was just a way to get the Soviets to waste money."

In 1980, I was a Strategic Planning consultant to Dr. Donald Kerr, the Director of the Los Alamos Laboratory. One of my assignments was to write the first Congressional white paper outlining the Stars Wars program (SDI). The purpose was not to get the Soviets to waste money. It was to get the US to waste money. From the Manhattan Project until the election of Jimmy Carter, Los Alamos had a blank check for basic and applied research in areas of physics and materials science. Carter, who had served in the Navy under Hyman Rickover, instituted Zero Base budgeting. Star Wars was the antidote. The assignment was take every lab, scientist and research initiative that was burning cash and bundle them into a salable product. The ultimate black box.

The day Ronald Reagan was inaugurated in January, 1981, I received a fax terminating my contract. Soon after, the SDI was fully funded. 40 years strong and almost nothing to show for it, certainly not a satellite weapons shield.
 
#35
Alex - Small point of correction. Recluse said, "I know that sounds outlandish, but this is the type of thing that we really did throughout the cold war. I mean the strategic defense initiative, for instance, we never really thought would work. It was just a way to get the Soviets to waste money."
During the Carter Administration, for the first time in its history, the Laboratory was forced to submit budget requests including justifications for their expenditures. This was new territory for them, as this symbol of American intelligence and military might, has always been showered with as much funding as they could spend.

Under Carter’s administration, some US nuclear weapon programs were cut, and the remaining ones were subject to budget scrutiny. One of Carter’s most vocal opponents was Edward Teller. From his position as emeritus faculty at the University of California, Berkeley, he was a frequent critic of Carter’s constraining stance. In 1979, Teller, along with a small consortium of California business, academic and political leaders rallied behind California Governor Ronald Reagan as their hand-picked candidate for the 1980 Presidential election. Reagan, in turn, embraced Teller as his chief science advisor.

During a meeting in the Director’s conference room, one of the senior managers floated the idea of gathering every outlier researcher, every failing technology, every pointless experiment and all the most crackpot theories and throw all their budgets in a large bag which the Lab would label “Outer Space Missile Shield.” The idea was as simple as pissing in a perfume bottle, with the advantage that by the time anyone noticed all the principles in the room would be retired or dead.

One of the examples offered was the railgun, an electromagnetic weapon system theorized to fire a projectile with massive velocity. The technology was championed by a researcher who came to the Lab in the early 1960s and work on nothing else for nearly 20 years. The technological hurdles were unlikely to be overcome in anyone’s lifetime and its champion was a stereotypical “mad scientist.”

I was given some technical notes and the assignment to interview the project managers and compile a report for Congressional staff on the virtues of the Strategic Defense Initiative, nicknamed, the Star Wars program.

Keeping the precedent established by Edward Teller, it was prohibited for any employee to question the broader implications of their work. The shadow of total annihilation hung over everyone’s head, but this was never to be spoken. The alternative instead was that the year I was there, Los Alamos had the highest suicide and divorce rates of anywhere in the United States. Drug and alcohol abuse, hypersexuality and disabling mental health symptoms were rampant.

President Carter lost his re-election bid in 1980 and on the day of Ronald Reagan’s inauguration, I received a fax from the Laboratory contracting office that my services were terminated effective immediately. Within 30 days, Edward Teller was named the President’s Chief Science Advisor, all research into alternative energy sources was terminated and the requirements for funding rationales were lifted.

The President’s first budget included massive increases in military funding. In response to the proposal for a space-based missile shield, two veterans of 1950s Los Alamos, physicists Hans Bethe and Richard Garwin testified to Congress about the folly of the effort. Noting that such a defensive system was costly and difficult to build, yet simple to destroy, they advocated that the only way to stop the threat of nuclear war was through diplomacy. In response, Teller testified that the political advocacy from scientists were by definition invalid because these difficult issues are outside their range of expertise.

Soon after, the railgun and the Strategic Defense Initiative was fully funded. After 40 years, the research has cost more than $500 billion and has not produced a working prototype of a railgun or a space-based defense shield.
 
#36
Keeping the precedent established by Edward Teller, it was prohibited for any employee to question the broader implications of their work. The shadow of total annihilation hung over everyone’s head,
Interesting. Thank you for relating this insight into SDI.

The first Reagan Administration seems to be the effective beginning of corporate take-over of our government via black projects and fiscal unaccountability. Wall Street wanted this for decades, but didn't really begin to get their way until the insane deficit spending of early 80's.

When you say "...it was prohibited for any employee to question the broader implications of their work", what broader implications are you referring to? Moral implications? Budgetary implications? Peace implications? Any elaboration appreciated.
 
#37
When you say "...it was prohibited for any employee to question the broader implications of their work", what broader implications are you referring to? Moral implications? Budgetary implications? Peace implications? Any elaboration appreciated.
The politics of the Hydrogen Bomb at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The Atom Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were invented at Los Alamos under the direction of Robert Oppenheimer. Born in New York City, Oppenheimer received his doctoral degree in Physics from Cambridge University, on the same hallowed ground where Newton had invented modern physics.

During the war, he was secreted to the New Mexico desert to build an atomic weapon to defeat Germany. The time pressure on the project was immense because the Germans were fervently working on their atomic bomb which could have destroyed Moscow and London in a day and turned the outcome of the war.

Germany capitulated in May 1945 before either weapon was complete. The work at Los Alamos continued apace and in July, a bomb was detonated at the Trinity desert test site. Upon seeing and feeling the magnitude of the explosion, Oppenheimer utter his most famous quote from the Bhagavad Gita, “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.”

With this, United States was faced with a difficult choice about if and how to deploy the weapon against Japan. President Truman turned to John Conant, the president of Harvard University, the country’s oldest, wealthiest and most prestigious university in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He was charged with making a final decision of whether to use the Los Alamos bombs to threaten Japan, or to deploy them against either an unpopulated, military or civilian target. It was Conant, who overruled the Secretaries or War and the Army and selected Hiroshima and Nagasaki as the intended targets.

Immediately following the war, Robert Oppenheimer became a strong voice opposing nuclear energy and weapons proliferation. Ten years later, when Los Alamos physicists built the first Hydrogen Bomb, Oppenheimer came into an historic political and moral clash with Edward Teller, popularly known as the Father of the H-Bomb.

Teller, was originally from Budapest. He argued that any weapon that could be built must be built. He strongly opposed Oppenheimer’s moral restraint as foolhardy. The final outcome was Oppenheimer was forced to retire and ceremoniously stripped of his security clearance in a gesture to bolster the failing anti-Communist campaign of Senator Joseph McCarthy.

This initiated the "shut-up and calculate" culture at Los Alamos. Twenty-five years later, I work on another project which was a 20-year geopolitical forecast. The assignment was to outline all possible scenarios for US strategic defense 1980-2000. When I was finishing the initial draft, I ask my manager why there was no mention of nuclear war or conflict included. He told me that any mention of this possibility was forbidden.
 
#38
If you want to see a parapolitical psy-ops operation going down in real time, just follow the US election on the mainstream news media:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...t-on-trump-campaigns-pennsylvania-litigation/
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/trump-consciousness.4080/post-148521

"Retired Air Force General blows whistle on CIA vote hacking." Under Obama CIA software was turned on American citizens and used for spying and to change the vote totals in 2012, and 2020.​
News Reader:​
Evidence of voting fraud continues to grow and insiders in the intel community warn that the CIA could be behind efforts to meddle with the election. Here's one america's pearson sharp.​
Sharp:​
Members of America's intelligence community are raising red flags the 2020 election is being outright stolen from the American people. Retired lieutenant general Thomas McInerney who is formerly the assistant vice chief of staff of the u.s air force says two pieces of software called Hammer and Scorecard are being used by democrats as a super weapon for voter fraud.​
McInerney​
People must understand that this software was used to overturn the 2020 election. The first time in the United States in history that massive amounts of cyber warfare have been used in our voting system.​
Sharp​
McInerney says the software was designed all the way back during president George W Bush's first term in office.​
McInerney​
Hammer is a surveillance software developed by the CIA. The programmer was Dennis Montgomery. He developed this in 2003 to go after radical islamists. Scorecard is a program that was developed for CIA that manipulates voting booths.​
Sharp​
McInerney explains scorecard was intended to overturn elections in foreign countries to install leaders favorable to the united states. But then under Obama it was turned to an even more sinister purpose.​
McInerney​
Well that was done by the Obama administration. Two weeks after Obama came in 2009, February 3rd to be exact, moved it out of CIA into a secret skiff in Fort Washington Maryland. And then they started listening on U.S citizens to include chief justices prominent Americans politicians etc. When that happened Dennis Montgomery who invented the programs became a whistleblower.​
Sharp​
Under former FBI Director James Comey and former CIA Director John Brennan, both Hammer and Scorecard were redesigned to target American citizens, specifically the left's political opponents like Donald Trump.​
This software is highly illegal but with President Obama's blessing, these deep state operatives went to work on not only discrediting Donald Trump, but on undermining the 2012 and 2016 elections.​
The programs were countered in 2016 but now in 2020 they were successful and managed to sabotage the election of President Trump by instead reallocating his votes to Joe Biden.​
McInerney says it was primarily used in the battleground states and is evident in the massive vote dumps for biden in the early hours of november 4th the morning after election day.​
McInerney​
We should be demanding from the president to expose these numbers publicly. You see news networks like Fox that are ignoring it. All that mainstream media they flipped on us. They do not want to hear it. They won't let people like me on. And they don't want to hear anybody mention it. They discount it completely but we know it's true because we watched it being prepped. They used it in the primaries.​
Sharp​
McInerney believes if not for vote tampering this would have been an overwhelming win for President Trump. But that this information must be given to the right judges so they can act on it and quickly. If that doesn't happen, he predicts it could have dire consequences for future elections.​
McInerney​
If Republicans lose this election they will never win another one again. It will really be Hammer and Sickle and that flag of Russia and the Roviet Rnion and communism will be flying in the united states. China and Russia and others will own us.​
 
#39
http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/trump-consciousness.4080/post-148521

"Retired Air Force General blows whistle on CIA vote hacking." Under Obama CIA software was turned on American citizens and used for spying and to change the vote totals in 2012, and 2020.​

This fellow is a one-man show whose been proclaiming the conspiracy du jour from a long time. He was a huge promoter of the claim that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and so on. There's nothing backing up his claims.
 
#40
And now Alex is on Recluse's show, The Farm:

Talking Evil and Consciousness w/ Alex Tsakiris & Recluse
Nov 16th, 2020 by The Farm Podcast
Skeptiko, Alex Tsakiris, Why Evil Matters, consciousness, evil, remote viewing, Aleister Crowley, West Memphis 3, replication crisis, DKMU, cybernetics, Nick Land, Ccru, strange loops, feedback, materialism, Diana Walsh-Pasulka, breakaway civilization, genetic anomalies, bloodlines, Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, Satanic panic, Christian right, near death experiences, NDEs, hellish NDEs, experiencers, magick, reality, MK-ULTRA, ARTICHOKE, STARGATE, religion, scientism, 2020, Disclosure, UFOs, COVID, masks

https://www.thefarmpodcast.com/e/talking-evil-and-consciousness-w-alex-tsakiris-recluse/
 
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