Suzanne Giesemann medium readings provide evidence of love and guidance |334|

#41
Precisely.

The question that I would love an answer to, and it may seem off the wall. Would Archangel Michael have the same approach to Alex's questioning as Susan had?
My friend Suzanne is a psychic, she says that she sometimes calls on Archangel Michael to fight off evil spirits, she says that he is extremely powerful, but loving. She is very respectful of him.

Is it enough to just see the light and love? Maybe it is, maybe it's not. For what it's worth, I think that without seeing and acknowledging the dark side, we are missing something. Strength and wisdom must go together.

With respect to all.
I'm starting to feel curious about this "Michael" figure. Judith mentioned that she encountered it in her experience despite being unfamiliar with the Christian lore about archangels. Perhaps his inclusion in the latter is due to cultural appropriation?
 
#43
My take in brief: the questions on evil that Alex asked were important, and I'm glad that he asked them, although (in my view) he hammered on that line of questioning too hard, past the point where his guest had made it clear that she wasn't going to "go there", and yes, it made me a little uncomfortable too. Re the end-of-show question: I don't think it's always possible to avoid evil by not focussing on it, and I think that sometimes we become targets of evil not because we "focus" on it, but because we make ignorant mistakes e.g. messing around with Ouija boards expecting to talk with dear Aunt Sophie, or taking psychedelics expecting to have a fun and enlightening trip.
 
#44
I wasn't going to comment on this podcast, but after reading how critically many posters appear to be of Alex and how lovely light and love, love & light Susan appears (and probably is), I've changed my mind. Usually I'm quite critical of Alex when he's pushing his guests, but this time...not so much.

Now it's ok for people to be all light & love - I get that, I really do. But as Alex says...



It seems to me that Susan Giesemann wants to remain a great advocate for the military on the one hand, yet not even listen to questions about the possible dark side that the military clearly possesses on the other. I see something hypocritical about that.

To me, not everything is light & love. And certainly not the US military.To be honest, I was gobsmacked when K9 wrote:

Much as I like K9, I have to ask: was she serious? Maybe if heaven has a military, that would be true.

I truly believe that Love can conquer everything, and that staying positive and in the light is the way to think. Maybe it's a weakness of mine, something I have to learn, but I just don't understand how you can be a light worker in the day, while you're still surfing porno sites at night.
Shit, Steve, you just described my life.



(It's a joke.)
And what is so "dark" about porn sites? Sexuality is an integral part and sacred and spiritual - at least it was until the advance and dominance of ascetic, anti-life, sex-and-body-negative religiosity. But there are still a lot of people out there who prefer sex-positive magick and mystique...
 
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="Vortex, post: 102917, member: 27"]And what is so "dark" about porn sites? Sexuality is an integral part and sacred and spiritual - at least it was until the advance and dominance of ascetic, anti-life, sex-and-body-negative religiosity. But there are still a lot of people out there who prefer sex-positive magick and mystique...
I'm not sure. But I'm almost certain there's something that is.

There is certainly something sacred and spiritual about sexuality, but I doubt that it's to be found on many (any?) pornsites. I may seem like I'm being superior, or preaching, or whatever. If it appears that way, so be it. I have 'enjoyed' porn sites in the past, still very occasionally do. I try to look for ones where the participants appear to be enjoying themselves.

Maybe I should just 'toss' caution to the wind? ;) Maybe I'm missing something? I wouldn't stop others from making porn movies, but I would be very unhappy if my daughter was to appear in one? Wouldn't you? If you would be comfortable with that, I'd find it a bit weird, and I'd probably remove you quietly from my list of Facebook friends.
 
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#46
And what is so "dark" about porn sites? Sexuality is an integral part and sacred and spiritual - at least it was until the advance and dominance of ascetic, anti-life, sex-and-body-negative religiosity. But there are still a lot of people out there who prefer sex-positive magick and mystique...
I agree with you in part, Vortex, especially in the bold part. But at least one "dark" aspect about porn sites is that some of the people participating in the pornography (young women, etc.) may be doing it under the influence of power and abuse by other individuals, and/or motivated because of past trauma. One could then respond that it's a part of these people's journey, but then as consumers we are funding the activity. (Not to mention that pornography can have negative side effects on the consumers, especially on young and heavy consumers, including addiction, distortion of expectations about what sexuality in a loving relationship is, isolation, etc. - but I don't know if you'd want to call that "dark".) It's a complicated issue.
 

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#47
To go back to the podcast and Alex's question about evil.

I didn't think the tension was that heavy. It sounds like Suzanne didn't like the use of the word "deflected", which I think she was right to because that's not what she was doing. She was being asked about questions and areas that 1) she didn't know enough about, and 2) for spiritual reasons she's not interested in. (And I felt inspired by what she said here to try and cultivate further an attitude where you expect benevolence from the universe - "when they go low, you go high!", although damn that didn't do much for Hillary did it? ;) :D - I'll try that because I think it might help me deal with my own issues.) After the introduction, I thought Alex was going to hammer into her for being complicit in 9/11 or something (!) - but it didn't go anywhere near there.

I thought there were interesting bits in the discussion beforehand too, like what does it say about us and our society today that we crave "evidence".

On the question of evil. I really don't know if there is evil in discarnate realms. I'm left wondering a bit what Alex is alluding to. "Can we avoid evil by not looking at it?" What do we mean here by evil? Is evil here used as just another word for harm by other people? Then, yeah, sometimes we can't avoid it because it can happen to us - or maybe not or to a very much lesser degree if we cultivate the sort of attitude Suzanne is.

I'm not versed enough in what Alex was referring to - Stargate, etc. - to understand exactly what he was referring to. If people use psi for "getting results", through remote viewing or whatever (or the PK Man, for example), for nefarious/dubious aims, that says something about the humans doing that, but not automatically about spiritual forces - specifically, entities - being involved. If the claim is that through remote viewing or another psi practice we encounter "entities" that are willing to help us achieve those results, even if evil, I guess I'm open to that possibility but don't immediately accept it unless I'm presented with irrefutable evidence. I'm thinking about the claim that, say, a remote viewer connects with spiritual entities that help him or her achieve a potentially harmful result for others. In that case, I'm not convinced that the remote viewer is not simply creating/manifesting, as the powerful-spiritual-being-that-he-or-she-is-but-incarnated-into-a-very-human-animal, his or her own reality where those entities are unconscious creations of his or her expanded consciousness.
 
#48
Most people performing on porn sites are broke and need the money, need the drugs, are in controlling and abusive relationships or are mentally immature. Some are literally sex slaves. To think otherwise is disingenuous. There may be sites for the mutual benefit of participants, but as Steve said, would you mind you daughter/mother appearing in one?

Porn distribution networks are run by gangs and associated activities are unlawful and certainly immoral. I don't think saying this is prurient, simply stating the facts. Ease of access makes the process of consumption seamless and unproblematic, just as buying veal in a shrink wrapped supermarket package with a country scene frames the meat industry in pleasurable terms. Involve yourself in such things with your eyes open, and never with sentiment.
 

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#50
I really don't think it is.

I ask you to consider the same question.

If you had a daughter, would you be happy if she became involved in the porn trade?
No. (So maybe strike the "It's a complicated issue" bit.) I guess I'm more sympathetic to Vortex's words relating to sexuality itself, rather than pornography.
 
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To go back to the podcast and Alex's question about evil.

I didn't think the tension was that heavy. It sounds like Suzanne didn't like the use of the word "deflected", which I think she was right to because that's not what she was doing. She was being asked about questions and areas that 1) she didn't know enough about, and 2) for spiritual reasons she's not interested in. (And I felt inspired by what she said here to try and cultivate further an attitude where you expect benevolence from the universe - "when they go low, you go high!", although damn that didn't do much for Hillary did it? ;) :D - I'll try that because I think it might help me deal with my own issues.) After the introduction, I thought Alex was going to hammer into her for being complicit in 9/11 or something (!) - but it didn't go anywhere near there.

I thought there were interesting bits in the discussion beforehand too, like what does it say about us and our society today that we crave "evidence".

On the question of evil. I really don't know if there is evil in discarnate realms. I'm left wondering a bit what Alex is alluding to. "Can we avoid evil by not looking at it?" What do we mean here by evil? Is evil here used as just another word for harm by other people? Then, yeah, sometimes we can't avoid it because it can happen to us - or maybe not or to a very much lesser degree if we cultivate the sort of attitude Suzanne is.

I'm not versed enough in what Alex was referring to - Stargate, etc. - to understand exactly what he was referring to. If people use psi for "getting results", through remote viewing or whatever (or the PK Man, for example), for nefarious/dubious aims, that says something about the humans doing that, but not automatically about spiritual forces - specifically, entities - being involved. If the claim is that through remote viewing or another psi practice we encounter "entities" that are willing to help us achieve those results, even if evil, I guess I'm open to that possibility but don't immediately accept it unless I'm presented with irrefutable evidence. I'm thinking about the claim that, say, a remote viewer connects with spiritual entities that help him or her achieve a potentially harmful result for others. In that case, I'm not convinced that the remote viewer is not simply creating/manifesting, as the powerful-spiritual-being-that-he-or-she-is-but-incarnated-into-a-very-human-animal, his or her own reality where those entities are unconscious creations of his or her expanded consciousness.
I also wasn't entirely sure how Alex defined "evil". Is it a "force", a field effect... or does it just refer to harmful activity?
 
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#55
Maybe if he was Dirk Diggler.
Hahaha

Sadly even someone with libertarian leanings like myself has to note the line between human sex trafficking and "legitimate" porn feels rather thin. I do wonder about a massive crackdown on porn, a global moratorium, though it chafes against my feelings regarding government control over people's lives.

Ultimately I still lean toward bodily autonomy overall but it is a troubling issue.
 
#57
Curious....Are people okay with sons being in porn? ;-)
I had a friend who stripped to make enough money to finish his engineering degree. He thought it was fun at first, and an easy way to make money. He initially made jokes about it in class. But he quickly became very depressed about what he was doing. He felt trapped by the need for money. His attitudes towards women changed, and not for the better. I don't know if he did porn, but there were offers of that and of prostitution. It was a pretty terrible experience for him overall. He became suicidal. So no, I wouldn't want my son to get involved in that kind of thing. My friend was an adult, almost 30. And he clearly didn't do well in that environment. It puts you in direct contact with the dark side of people.
 
#58
I am inclined to think that evil is real, and on Earth, it concentrates in different areas in different ages.

Thus I am sure that the repression of sexuality in former eras was evil.

Equally, I am sure that some aspects of the porn industry are evil today - but maybe not all.

I'll bet evil also concentrates around politicians!
I had a friend who stripped to make enough money to finish his engineering degree. He thought it was fun at first, and an easy way to make money. He initially made jokes about it in class. But he quickly became very depressed about what he was doing. He felt trapped by the need for money. His attitudes towards women changed, and not for the better. I don't know if he did porn, but there were offers of that and of prostitution. It was a pretty terrible experience for him overall. He became suicidal. So no, I wouldn't want my son to get involved in that kind of thing. My friend was an adult, almost 30. And he clearly didn't do well in that environment. It puts you in direct contact with the dark side of people.
Obviously the fact that people have to earn money in that way to finish an engineering degree is evil in itself. I mean, the job of being a student - if done properly - is a job in itself, and should be rewarded as such.

Obviously, nobody should be forced into doing sex work (or any other kind of work), but perhaps some people can be comfortable with such work, and others cannot. I am sure that lots of people would be sent mad by trying to do a paramedic's job - just because some people can't take certain occupations, doesn't automatically mean these should be eliminated.

David
 
#59
The availability of effective methods of birth control and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases have altered our attitudes towards sexuality over time. Judging historical social attitudes by modern standards is not necessarily valid.
 

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I'm left wondering a bit what Alex is alluding to. "Can we avoid evil by not looking at it?" What do we mean here by evil? Is evil here used as just another word for harm by other people?
I'm only just now listening to podcast 333 with Gordon White, and when Alex brings up the question of evil alluding to the interview with Jane Kent, I'm glad Gordon is bringing up the importance of distinguishing a) evil as a facet of the universe if an objective morality exists as a fundamental aspect of that universe. vs. b) "people - incarnate or not - harming each other".
 
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