TALKING EVIL WITH ALEX TSAKIRIS -- GORDON WHITE -- RUNE SOUP

this is a tough one, eh? I mean, it's so multi-layered. you and I are old enough to have lived through/witnessed incredible social injustice... surprisingly ( or maybe not surprisingly) much of that hasn't been resolved. at the same time, I can't help but share your concerns that most of the SJW is largely co-opted BS. most will never look into the documented history social engineering/puppeteering.

BTW gloria steinem is in the news again. do you remember this show with jasun?
Jasun Horsley, Socio-Spiritual Engineering |392| - Skeptiko ...
I found this old lecture by former KGB operative Yuri Bezmenov, who goes through the steps used by the KGB to destabilize a country. It's like he was writing this about what is going on in the USA right now. What is really interesting was how he ended this lecture. He explains how to stop the process of destabilization, and the really simple way (according to Bezmenov) is to encourage and embrace traditional religious values.

I'm not religious at all, so I guess I was hoping for a different solution to what's going on right now. But I do know others who have walked away from the whole wokeness thing and gone back to being Christians. I also know of churches that seem to have replaced god with wokeness, basically in an attempt to stay open, although it generally hasn't gone well for them. Probably because catering to wokeness alienates tradional Christians who would otherwise support the church. The woke mob isn't invested in the future of the congregation, they just take advantage of available resources until the church is gone.

What do you think of the importance of traditional religion in protecting society from the evil of destabilization and Marxism?

 
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I found this old lecture by former KGB operative Yuri Bezmenov, who goes through the steps used by the KGB to destabilize a country. It's like he was writing this about what is going on in the USA right now. What is really interesting was how he ended this lecture. He explains how to stop the process of destabilization, and the really simple way (according to Bezmenov) is to encourage and embrace traditional religious values.

I'm not religious at all, so I guess I was hoping for a different solution to what's going on right now. But I do know others who have walked away from the whole wokeness thing and gone back to being Christians. I also know of churches that seem to have replaced god with wokeness, basically in an attempt to stay open, although it generally hasn't gone well for them. Probably because catering to wokeness alienates tradional Christians who would otherwise support the church. The woke mob isn't invested in the future of the congregation, they just take advantage of available resources until the church is gone.

What do you think of the importance of traditional religion in protecting society from the evil of destabilization and Marxism?

I hope to have a quite relevant post in reply to yours. It involves being given permission to post the text of an e-mail I received 13 months ago from Charles Upton. In the e-mail Mr. Upton directly addresses the question you pose at the end of your post.

What do you think of the importance of traditional religion in protecting society from the evil of destabilization and Marxism?
I am anxiously awaiting his reply.
 

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He explains how to stop the process of destabilization, and the really simple way (according to Bezmenov) is to encourage and embrace traditional religious values.
fascinating... Thanks for sharing this. of course this kind of spiritual materialism doesn't seem to have much to do with genuine Spiritual Development.

-- the spiritual path is easy for one with no preferences :)
 
fascinating... Thanks for sharing this. of course this kind of spiritual materialism doesn't seem to have much to do with genuine Spiritual Development.

-- the spiritual path is easy for one with no preferences :)
I thought it was interesting because most of the videos you see of Bezmenov just show the predictive part of what he had to say. You don't usually see his thoughts on how to fix things.

I think you might be selling him short, as far as genuine spiritual development goes. If you listen closely, he makes a comment about the people in the gulags who believed in god being better off than those who didn't. They had that real strength of spirit to carry them through those trials.

I'm not entirely sure that Bezmenov thinks that religion will save us from the horrors of Marxism or if he just thinks it will save us spiritually as Marxism destroys everything around us.
 
I so much wanted to share an e-mail I had received from Charles Upton that was his response to questions posed on this thread by K9! and on another by Chris7. I sent Mr. Upton an e-mail requesting that I could share it and so far have not received a reply. I do not feel equipped to write my own rendition of the many gists of his e-mail and I won't post it without his permission. So... this post is to provide an update and unless I receive his permission, I won't mention it again. Principle.
 
I gave a quick listen and didn't totally get where he's coming from... other than the history. What were some of the takeaways for you?
honestly, not a lot -- he sticks pretty closely into the historical aspect and doesn't attempt to interpret what any of it "means" -- at least not in the good number of videos i watched.

that said: he might still be an interesting guest. if the battle archetype (these guys vs. those guys) is the grandparent of the good/evil narrative, maybe there are insights to glean there in terms of possible chronological alignment with other events, and/or removing some of the onion layers of how the evil narrative got added in.
 

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I thought it was interesting because most of the videos you see of Bezmenov just show the predictive part of what he had to say. You don't usually see his thoughts on how to fix things.

I think you might be selling him short, as far as genuine spiritual development goes. If you listen closely, he makes a comment about the people in the gulags who believed in god being better off than those who didn't. They had that real strength of spirit to carry them through those trials.

I'm not entirely sure that Bezmenov thinks that religion will save us from the horrors of Marxism or if he just thinks it will save us spiritually as Marxism destroys everything around us.
I get your point... and this is kind of hard to tease out eh? I'm just keen on making a distinction between all this good and evil stuff as a social construct versus some kind of reality within these realms of consciousness. I think it's very easy to fall into the" it doesn't matter if it's true only what they believe" kind of thinking. do you know what I mean?
 

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honestly, not a lot -- he sticks pretty closely into the historical aspect and doesn't attempt to interpret what any of it "means" -- at least not in the good number of videos i watched.

that said: he might still be an interesting guest. if the battle archetype (these guys vs. those guys) is the grandparent of the good/evil narrative, maybe there are insights to glean there in terms of possible chronological alignment with other events, and/or removing some of the onion layers of how the evil narrative got added in.
I feel like I've " learn my lesson" / "made my point" about pushing these kinds of people :) I guess I'd only want to do it if he was willing to go level 3 right away. the history is great, but it can also be an excuse for not dealing with the hard stuff.
 
I think it's very easy to fall into the" it doesn't matter if it's true only what they believe" kind of thinking. do you know what I mean?
What if the reality an individual experiences is, at least partially (if not fully) dependent upon what that individual allows their perceptions to be open to?

What might also need to be considered is - (and I will use your terms) is "ordinary reality" and "extended reality" existing simultaneously yet, dependent upon where "my current, real time, central point of view" is anchored determines which of the two I am experiencing at that given moment? If the answer is, "Yes," then this suggests that "I" exist in both simultaneously.

If I exist in both simultaneously, perhaps any given "current, real time, central point of view" is dependent upon my overall conscious will which is dominated by the powerful subconscious will. If circumstances change (such as the deterioization of my physical body to a point my subconscious says, "time to abandon ship") I would "drop" the physical body and all I have really done is shift to a new "current, real time, central point of view."

The point of the example is to show that "belief" at the subconscious level may be the very driving force as to which "zone" of overall reality I locate my central point of view that is, at any moment of time, "primary." What I mean by "primary" is - "the operational point of view."

What if "what is true" requires a certain percentage of "belief" to experience that truth?

What if, in all possibility, all experiences available in all possibility are always available to any conscious agent solely dependent on their will to access that "zone." What if the limits of possibility coincide with the limits of imagination?

All my questions are meant to suggest that this may not be a simple, black or white "thing" to figure out.
 
I know the following is long, but its another wonderful personal story that I just had to share here and fits right in with what we discuss.

I can't remember which discussion Alex was in where Alex brought up Strieber's story about being in a cage as a young boy etc. but Alex mentioned he had heard this in a Greg Carlwood HigherSideChats discussion between Greg and Whitley Strieber (2018). I place the post in this thread as I think it was this discussion with Gordon White where this was covered.

So... last week, as I strive to do each day when I take my "power walk" (not so powerfully), I pick one of these MP3s to listen to (yesterday was Alex's most recent release - with Rick DeLano). This time it was the HigherSideChats discussion with Whitley Strieber.

So... when I listened to the 2018 discussion, Strieber told the story where he and his wife, Ann, had made the agreement that whoever might pass on first would, through a friend, let the other know they are fine and 'alive and well' so to speak on the other side. Strieber then tells about his two key data points which... here's the exact story excerpts from this link -

"We worked out a plan of afterlife communication. The first of us to die would contact friends who had no idea of our plan, and only then contact the loved one. Not two hours after Anne died, I got the first call from such a friend, Belle Fuller, who said to me, "Whitley, the strangest thing just happened. I heard Anne telling me to call you. Is she all right?" (She knew that Anne was ill.) I said to her, "Belle, Anne died an hour and a half ago." This kept happening, and finally I realized that Anne was carrying out our plan."

Strieber then tells Greg Carlwood of another specific incident where the friend calls Strieber and tells Strieber that he had just "gotten a message from Ann to call him" (Strieber).

When I got home from my walk, I shared this precise story with my wife, Cristina, who has the strongest desire that when she passes on, she experiences eternal peace and doesn't want to come back to any world such as this regardless of whether I'm there or, as is my own desire, hoping she would want to meet me again, etc. I shared this story with her mentioning that maybe her soul may have other plans for her! So... keep an open mind. Note, I also promised her that if she ever told me to "buzz off" in any future lifetime, I would honor her request (and I would... that is an unbreakable "self rule" - to honor the wishes of the other).

Now for the next pre-story but relevant information. My wife, Cristina, immigrated to the US in 2017. We have been married since 2002. I had lived out of the country up until 2013 and it was in the fall of 2013 we decided to do the "immigration process" and it took 3.5 years! She arrived on my father's birthday 2017 (my father had passed on, suicide in 1979). My relationship with my mother had never been good and for background (if interested) - read here.

My greatest wish was that my mother (who was almost 80 when Cristina arrived) would be able to meet Cristina. I was convinced my mother would see/feel Cristina's energy and perhaps consider her son was not such a "bad guy" after all, as there would be no way a "bad guy" could have attracted the love and marriage of such a wonderful, peaceful, talented (an artist like my Mom!), mature woman such as Cristina. Sadly, my mother, who had been suffering from cardio-pulmonary disease had taken a turn for the worse in December and by the time Cristina arrived in January, my Mom wasn't open to visitors. She passed on February 18th, 2017.

The last part to know is that almost year ago I had taken on the project of creating a website so that Cristina would have a web presence to present her art. I found a designer and recently we completed the project and the site went live a few weeks ago. My next step was to create "business cards" for Cristina that would have her website address and contact info, etc... but I wanted to make sure these cards were different, high quality, etc... and so last week I went to search online for a local business that could assist in producing such. I had searched before and had my notes available yet I felt compelled to search again. Pretty far down the Google first page, I came across a company called 'alphagraphics' and instantly recognized it as the company my Mom used in the 1980s when she was still living here in Dallas. My Mom always worked with the best folks who always did work with integrity and so it felt like a sign and I decided I would reach out to them when they were open. I sent myself an e-mail with their link information as this is how I remind myself of tasks. This morning happened to coincide with a.) their open hours and b.) my energy and enthusiasm to jump on it.

So, with that background established - here's what happened.

I started to dial their number. I got six digits of the ten needed when I heard behind me a loud crash. Behind my desk is a backdrop I recently acquired which I use for Zoom and Skype video calls so I had to get up and look behind the back drop to see what happened. There, wedged between my shredder and the wall was a piece of art my mother had done which was part of a set of two others which Cristina had hung on the wall behind my desk, and thus had been obscured from view when I set up the backdrop. It had somehow come crashing down and this was the source of the loud crashing noise. Fortunately, the glass and frame were fine and no damage to the drawing occurred... and once I saw that, it suddenly hit me.

The timing could not have been any more uncanny - literally in the middle of dialing the number to alphagraphics, one of three "boot" drawings had come crashing down. The significance of these boot drawings has its own history too. I had been given an original set done by my Mom back in the mid-nineties. My divorce from my first wife, a harrowing episode of my life no different than depicted in the movie, "The War of the Roses" with the sole exception we didn't literally kill each other. But my ex had destroyed the boot drawings along with just about every other irreplaceable possession that she knew held huge meaning for me. My mother wasn't happy at all when she learned they were "gone" and regardless of the fact my ex had done the deed, she blamed me (as she had blamed me for many, many things). So just like the story I shared regarding my son and his car title (for those who might have read it), the significance of this specific piece of my mother's art transcends in meaning (to me) all other pieces of her art she ever did. That my sister, after our mother's death, had given me her "boot drawings" (less one as my original grouping had 4 and she only had 3)... this set the stage for this incredible "call" from my Mom, as this is how I have chosen to interpret the incident.

Just like Whitley Strieber got phone calls from friends telling him Ann had told the friend to call Whitley. Considering I had just last week listened to Whitley sharing the story with Greg Carlwood (done two years ago). That I felt compelled to share this story with my wife just after hearing it (again, last week). That I discovered the same graphics company my Mom had always used (last week) yet only felt compelled to finally call them this morning. And in the midst of dialing their number, one of her boot drawings comes crashing to the floor (though undamaged! thankfully). That it was Cristina who had hung the drawings (with a dubious method) but with heartfelt intentions (as I may never have hung them). And then at just the right moment... during a stretch of time that could not have spanned more then 3 or 4 seconds (to dial a number - to "make a call"). BOOM!

I hope I was able to convey the experience properly. It is powerfully meaningful to me. I know she knows I love her dearly.

Here's relevant artifacts -

Screenshot of the dialed numbers when the crash happened -

The dialing.gif

Here's what I saw when I went to investigate -

Crash 1.gif

This shows the place it fell from and the two other boot drawings still hanging. You can see the drywall screw all but fully dislodged and angling downward -

Crash 2.gif

Here's the actual drawing in case folks want to see it -

Crash 3.gif
 
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sure. I totally accept what you're saying. then again, we are all playing this consensus reality game... and whether we like to admit it or not we're all judging each other as to how well we're playing it :)
I would absolutely agree that I find myself judging others as to how well I think these others are playing the game. I have tried to adjust that away from judging (which can involve the viewing of others and/or their actions as "good" or "bad" or even "evil) and more towards "assessing."

I sense you do this judging thing too. It appears that most others do this too. Again, I find myself doing it all too often (in fact, once may be too much).

What I wonder is, do all others do this? I think that's an open question. Is it possible a few of our fellow humans don't? They might asses the actions of others as actions they would not ever wish to emulate. They may look at those types of actions as actions that arise from an individual that may be "missing knowledge" (separated from knowledge, acting out of ignorance). They might assess a specific individual who continues to demonstrate ugly behaviors as immersed in ignorance, but isn't assessing another in terms of 'risk to others' and/or yourself wise action in terms of self preservation if not preservation of a more peaceful shared reality experience?

Assessment is one thing, judging another. Judging seems a step away from condemnation.

Imagine if we all moved towards that type of operational approach as opposed to "judgment." In fact, isn't "God's judgment" a key component of the Christian paradigm? And we both don't do "Christianity" much less religion of any sort. That one thing alone seems a good enough reason to avoid religions that hold to that particular tenet. Heck, I don't view "God" as a third party anyways so that protects me from even considering "God's judgment."

So why do we judge instead of assess?

If we think about it from Tom Zinser's (and Gerod's) expressed 'reality' that says, we are all souls, some lost more than others in darkness, some choosing to remain in darkness, some coming into this sub-reality of light and darkness perhaps for the purpose of soul growth (I call it "refinement of the soul"... "to increase the integrity of the soul") then would it not be better for all if we could see each of us first, as souls? And then, deal with the self that has emerged from that soul carrying a fragment of the soul whereby refinement is of the overall soul is the ultimate reason for taking on a lifetime?
 
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I would absolutely agree that I find myself judging others as to how well I think these others are playing the game. I have tried to adjust that away from judging (which can involve the viewing of others and/or their actions as "good" or "bad" or even "evil) and more towards "assessing."

I sense you do this judging thing too. It appears that most others do this too. Again, I find myself doing it all too often (in fact, once may be too much).

What I wonder is, do all others do this? I think that's an open question. Is it possible a few of our fellow humans don't? They might asses the actions of others as actions they would not ever wish to emulate. They may look at those types of actions as actions that arise from an individual that may be "missing knowledge" (separated from knowledge, acting out of ignorance). They might assess a specific individual who continues to demonstrate ugly behaviors as immersed in ignorance, but isn't assessing another in terms of risk to even others and yourself wise action in terms of self preservation if not preservation of a more peaceful shared reality experience?

Assessment is one thing, judging another. Judging seems a step away from condemnation.

Imagine if we all moved towards that type of operational approach as opposed to "judgment." In fact, isn't "God's judgment" a key component of the Christian paradigm? And we both don't do "Christianity" much less religion of any sort. That one thing alone seems a good enough reason to avoid religions that hold to that particular tenet. Heck, I don't view "God" as a third party anyways so that protects me from even consider "God's judgment."

So why do we judge instead of assess?

If we think about it from Tom Zinser's (and Gerod's) expressed 'reality' that says, we are all souls, some lost more than others in darkness, some choosing to remain in darkness, some coming into this sub-reality of light and darkness perhaps for the purpose of soul growth (I call it "refinement of the soul... to increase the integrity of the soul") then would it not be better for all if we could see each of us first, as souls? And then, deal with the self that has emerged from that soul carrying a fragment of the soul whereby refinement is of the overall soul is the ultimate reason for taking on a lifetime?
I really like the assess vs. judge distinction. I spent 4 hours with reps to pay for a new computer at HP, and the payment kept getting declined (with both a debit & credit card.) They said there is a glitch in their system. I canceled the order and went to a different vendor, and the payment went through in a nanosecond.

It turns out the HP payment efforts were not declined, so $1500 charges are outstanding and now I have a huge cash flow problem.

I'd be insane if I did not assess HP's performance as horrid. But I will discern what may be happening there and the frustrations their reps must be feeling. There will be soul growth for me despite my current upset. There always is. In fact I am less angry than I would have been in past cases like this one.

We are eternal souls having a human / embodied experience. We are not bodies having a spiritual experience.

This whole experience of good vs bad was not a relative social construct.

I recommendHuston Smith's book The Postmodern Mind highly.
 
You got it. I skipped some of the chapters but the book was brilliant IMO. :)

sure. I totally accept what you're saying. then again, we are all playing this consensus reality game... and whether we like to admit it or not we're all judging each other as to how well we're playing it :)
Alex, would you be willing to tell us about your own spirituality? It seems you perceive every religion to be a cult, so do you see yourself as spiritual but not religious? (i.e., in the category known as "none" / for no affiliation, lol ) ?
 
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I like this pic b/c I like the waves in the ocean metaphor which depicts our separateness as waves but our identical soul essence as the underlying ocean. The pic shows how two waves can connect through love even while remaining separate.. I differ from the traditional view that our ultimate goal is to lose our separateness and merge back into the ocean.

No comments pls, just explaining part of my own sacred worldview. I see folks' sacred outlooks as radically different from their political views.
 
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I know the following is long, but its another wonderful personal story that I just had to share here and fits right in with what we discuss.

I can't remember which discussion Alex was in where Alex brought up Strieber's story about being in a cage as a young boy etc. but Alex mentioned he had heard this in a Greg Carlwood HigherSideChats discussion between Greg and Whitley Strieber (2018). I place the post in this thread as I think it was this discussion with Gordon White where this was covered.

So... last week, as I strive to do each day when I take my "power walk" (not so powerfully), I pick one of these MP3s to listen to (yesterday was Alex's most recent release - with Rick DeLano). This time it was the HigherSideChats discussion with Whitley Strieber.

So... when I listened to the 2018 discussion, Strieber told the story where he and his wife, Ann, had made the agreement that whoever might pass on first would, through a friend, let the other know they are fine and 'alive and well' so to speak on the other side. Strieber then tells about his two key data points which... here's the exact story excerpts from this link -

"We worked out a plan of afterlife communication. The first of us to die would contact friends who had no idea of our plan, and only then contact the loved one. Not two hours after Anne died, I got the first call from such a friend, Belle Fuller, who said to me, "Whitley, the strangest thing just happened. I heard Anne telling me to call you. Is she all right?" (She knew that Anne was ill.) I said to her, "Belle, Anne died an hour and a half ago." This kept happening, and finally I realized that Anne was carrying out our plan."

Strieber then tells Greg Carlwood of another specific incident where the friend calls Strieber and tells Strieber that he had just "gotten a message from Ann to call him (Strieber).

When I got home from my walk, I shared this precise story with my wife, Cristina, who has the strongest desire that when she passes on, she experiences eternal peace and doesn't want to come back to any world such as this regardless of whether I'm there or, as is my own desire, hoping she would want to meet me again, etc. I shared this story with her mentioning that maybe her soul may have other plans for her! So... keep an open mind. Note, I also promised her that if she ever told me to "buzz off" in any future lifetime, I would honor her request (and I would... that is an unbreakable "self rule" - to honor the wishes of the other).

Now for the next pre-story but relevant information. My wife, Cristina, immigrated to the US in 2017. We have been married since 2002. I had lived out of the country up until 2013 and it was in the fall of 2013 we decided to do the "immigration process" and it took 3.5 years! She arrived on my father's birthday 2017 (my father had passed on, suicide in 1979). My relationship with my mother had never been good and for background (if interested) - read here.

My greatest wish was that my mother (who was almost 80 when Cristina arrived) would be able to meet Cristina. I was convinced my mother would see/feel Cristina's energy and perhaps consider her son was not such a "bad guy" after all, as there would be no way a "bad guy" could have attracted the love and marriage of such a wonderful, peaceful, talented (an artist like my Mom!), mature woman such as Cristina. Sadly, my mother, who had been suffering from cardio-pulmonary disease had taken a turn for the worse in December and by the time Cristina arrived in January, my Mom wasn't open to visitors. She passed on February 18th, 2017.

The last part to know is that almost year ago I had taken on the project of creating a website so that Cristina would have a web presence to present her art. I found a designer and recently we completed the project and the site went live a feww weeks ago. My next step was to create "business cards" for Cristina that would have her website address and contact info, etc... but I wanted to make sure these cards were different, high quality, etc... and so last week I went to search online for a local business that could assist in producing such. I had searched before and had my notes available yet I felt compelled to search again. Pretty far down the Google first page, I came across a company called 'alphagraphics' and instantly recognized it as the company my Mom used in the 1980s when she was still living here in Dallas. My Mom always worked with the best folks who always did work with integrity and so it felt like a sign and I decided I would reach out to them when they were open. I sent myself an e-mail with their link information as this is how I remind myself of tasks. This morning happened to coincide with a.) their open hours and b.) my energy and enthusiasm to jump on it.

So, with that background established - here's what happened.

I started to dial their number. I got six digits of the ten needed when I heard behind me a loud crash. Behind my desk is a backdrop I recently acquired which I use for Zoom and Skype video calls so I had to get up and look behind the back drop to see what happened. There, wedged between my shredder and the wall was a piece of art my mother had done which was part of a set of two others which Cristina had hung on the wall behind my desk, which, had been obscured from view when I set up the backdrop. It had somehow come crashing down and this was the source of the loud crashing noise. Fortunately, the glass and frame were fine and no damage to the painting occurred... and once I saw that, it suddenly hit me.

The timing could not have been any more uncanny - literally in the middle of dialing the number to alphagraphics, one of three "boot" drawings had come crashing down. The significance of these boot paintings has its own history too. I had been given an original set done by my Mom back in the mid-nineties. My divorce from my first wife, a harrowing episode of my life no different than depicted in the movie, "The War of the Roses" with the sole exception we didn't literally kill each other. But my ex had destroyed the boot drawings along with just about every other irreplaceable possession that she know held huge meaning for me. My mother wasn't happy at all when she learned they were "gone" and regardless of the fact my ex had done the deed, she blamed me (as she had blamed me for many, many things). So just like the story I shared regarding my son and his car title (for those who might have read it), the significance of this specific piece of my mother's art transcends in meaning (to me) all other pieces of her art she ever did. That my sister gave me her set (less one as my original set had 4 and she only had 3), set the stage for this incredible "call" from my Mom, as this is how I have chosen to interpret the incident.

Just like Whitley Strieber got phone calls from friends telling him Ann had told the friend to call Whitley. Considering I had just last week listened to Whitley sharing the story with Greg Carlwood (done two years ago). That I felt compelled to share this story with my wife just after hearing it (again, last week). That I discovered the same graphics company my Mom had always used (last week) yet only felt compelled to finally call them this morning. And in the midst of dialing their number, one of her boot drawings comes crashing to the floor (though undamaged! thankfully). That it was Cristina who had hung the painting (with a dubious method) but with heartfelt intentions (as I may never have hung them). And then at just the right moment... during a stretch of time that could not have spanned more then 3 or 4 seconds (to dial a number - to "make a call"). BOOM!

I hope I was able to convey the experience properly. It is powerfully meaningful to me. I know she knows I love her dearly.

Here's relevant artifacts -

Screenshot of the dialed numbers when the crash happened -

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Here's what I saw when I went to investigate -

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This shows the place it fell from and the two other boot drawings still hanging. You can see the drywall screw all but fully dislodged and angling downward -

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Here's the actual drawing in case folks want to see it -

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haha... great... thx for sharing.
 
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