The Donald Trump Thread

[David Bailey]

Interesting experience I offer for what it's worth...

My ex lived in Beeston just before the London bombing for a year, as a new teacher... the mosque was actually the house next door... One bomber came from my ex's street, and two from the street next door IIRC.

There were burnt out cars in the streets, burning oil drums, and mattresses etc. But the people were fine, never had any problems from the residents... Only experience disrespect and unfair treatment from the police and the council... first time I had seen it from the other side... it was a valuable lesson.

The bins were never emptied, rubbish never removed, frankly the people were ghettoised, and mistreated, because they were poor and of a different race, and language difficulties/education meant they didn't know their rights, and could not negotiate our system. The police would often get the wrong house, (my ex's a couple of times) and behave in ways I would not expect when dealing with a white middle class family...

My ex got nowhere with the bins, so I escalated it to a councillor, and finally threatened legal action for environmental health reasons... That finally did something... All the bins started getting emptied again.

It was a horrible place to live... but the people were fine... I could see how children born to these families would be educated beyond their parents, and become frustrated with their families unfair treatment, and easily radicalised, because for some of them, the world of Beeston must have felt a very wrong place.

Well that is a very interesting perspective - I wonder if anyone from the council (obviously Labour) gave you any rationale as to why they didn't empty the bins.

However, the real problem is that it is very hard to avoid ghettos being created, if the Labour council had really felt the cost of looking after all the immigrants, perhaps it would have been less keen to bring them in the first place (remember, these were people who simply wanted to come - they were not escaping from anything). I mean, the true cost of expanding the NHS and the number of school places would have been enormous, but somehow it never happened, so services are teetering on the brink.

However, before you explain radicalisation that way, remember the junior doctor that decided to kill a mass of families in Glasgow airport - I am pretty sure he didn't come from a street like that! This isn't really about blame, it is about outcome - your experience, and those of the girls in Rotherham are the end result (so far) of Labour's policy of mass immigration. It is also admitted now that a huge number of British girls undergo genital mutilation, and yet not one prosecution has taken place.

David

 

[David Bailey]

When I see a quote I'll disavow it. I really dislike what he has said about torture and completely disagree with it. But he did somewhat backtrack on that the next day.

Right - I didn't like the torture statements, and I also don't like statements that imply he would spend even more on the military.

David

 

[Michael2]

We are all Donald Trump Now !

- hey buddy can you spare a freedom-fry?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated

When Trump announced his candidacy, on June 16th, he vowed to build a two-thousand-mile-long wall to stop Mexico from “sending people that have lots of problems.” He said, “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Three of the statements had no basis in fact—the crime rate among first-generation immigrants is lower than that for native-born Americans—but Trump takes an expansive view of reality. “I play to people’s fantasies,” he writes in “The Art of the Deal,” his 1987 memoir. “I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

Trump gave a tight, concerned nod. “There’s great danger with the illegals, and we were just discussing that. But we have a tremendous danger along the border, with the illegals coming in.”
“Have you seen any evidence here to confirm your fears about Mexico sending its criminals across the border?”
Another grave nod. “Yes, I have, and I’ve heard it, and I’ve heard it from a lot of different people.”
“What evidence, specifically, have you seen?”
“We’ll be showing you the evidence.”
“When?”
He let that one pass.

José Diaz-Balart, an anchor for Telemundo and MSNBC, said, “Many feel that what you said, when you said that people that cross the border are rapists and murderers—”
Trump cut him off: “No, no, no! We’re talking about illegal immigration, and everybody understands that. And you know what? That’s a typical case of the press with misinterpretation.” His supporters jeered at the reporter, and Trump shouted over the jeers: “Telemundo should be ashamed!”
Diaz-Balart said, “Can I finish?”
“No, no. You’re finished,” Trump said. He did his thank-yous, flashed thumbs-up signs, and headed for his airplane.

Trump’s signature lines—“The American dream is dead” and “We don’t have victories anymore”—constitute a bitter mantra in tune with a moment when the share of Americans who tell Gallup pollsters that there is “plenty of opportunity” has dropped to an unprecedented fifty-two per cent; when trust in government has reached its lowest level on record, and Americans’ approval of both major parties has sunk, for the first time, below forty per cent. Matthew Heimbach, who is twenty-four, and a prominent white-nationalist activist in Cincinnati, told me that Trump has energized disaffected young men like him. “He is bringing people back out of their slumber,” he said.

Ordinarily, the white-nationalist Web sites mock Republicans as Zionist stooges and corporate puppets who have opened the borders in order to keep wages low. But, on July 9th, VDARE, an opinion site founded to “push back the plans of pro-Amnesty/Immigration Surge politicians, ethnic activists and corrupt Big Business,” hailed Trump as “the first figure with the financial, cultural, and economic resources to openly defy elite consensus. If he can mobilize Republicans behind him and make a credible run for the Presidency, he can create a whole new media environment for patriots to openly speak their mind without fear of losing their jobs.” The piece was headlined “WE ARE ALL DONALD TRUMP NOW.”

 

[Roberta]

Right - I didn't like the torture statements, and I also don't like statements that imply he would spend even more on the military.

David

I already gave Hurmanetor a link to 15 quotes and he just hasn't responded!

 

[Roberta]

So if it is between Trump and Hitlery, would you vote for the guy who wants to work with Russia to destroy ISIS or the one who created ISIS and wants to start WWIII so the Zionists can rule the radioactive remains of the ash-heap that will be the world?

I wouldn't vote for either, but Trump does legitimise horrible views.

 

[Roberta]

Just to be clear (because when I read my statement again it didn't make sense)... I'm not saying because a lot of people hold a stereotype, the stereotype is valid... I'm saying if a lot (not even a majority - just a lot) of Muslims want to wage a Jihad against us, then the stereotype is valid. Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam agreed with this! He agreed it is wise to vet Muslims coming from the nations that we have wrecked because a lot of them do want to attack us.



I can come up with some very serious criticisms of the Bible too and it has been used to justify atrocities as well. Christianity was to a certain extent a very positive reformation of Judaism. And it has been reformed again and again over the centuries. It still needs reform. I've considered going back into Christian circles to be a reformer... just not sure that is my place right now.

But we're talking about Islam and Islam does have a lot more statements in the text of the Koran relative to the Bible that can be used by fundamentalists to justify atrocious behavior. The New Testament has a lot of pacifist statements and so Christianity was mobilized for war not by fundamentalists citing scripture but by the Catholic church which kept the scriptures hidden from the masses.



Islam and its middle Eastern adherents, as I said in another post has been used by the West as a weapon and method of control. Radical Islam is to a certain extent manufactured by the West. We created the Taliban. We support the House of Saud. We wrote Jihadist text books and gave them weapons and training to fight the soviets and later us.

There are certain scriptures in Islam which make its adherents more easily manipulated by fundamentalists and which justify horrible treatment of women.

Western media has waged a campaign to make Islam seem cool and trendy and equal to any other world religion, but it is not cool to abuse women or kill people who decide they no longer want to be Muslims.



Hey I'm with you there. But Slick Willy and Hitlery are just as guilty as Bush and Obama. Libya? Syria? Serbia? Kosovo? Sudan? They are front men for a globalist crime syndicate.



I had a house mate and best friend for several years who was black. :)

Oh also had two Hispanic housemates.

For about 8 months I attended a small black-only church on the South Side (impoverished side) of town because I felt like they were the only ones around preachin' the truth. They were sweet people. They loved me and I loved them.

Believe me, I'm not racist. :)



Or maybe you misunderstand their views? Or maybe you don't think any sort of stereotype is justifiable? Holding some stereotypes is fine (in fact it is inevitable - we are designed to recognize patterns) as long as we are able to lay them aside for individuals.



Humor is a powerful weapon and ridicule is very effective at swaying popular opinion, but it just shows that's all they've got... they have no substantive arguments against him so all they can do is mock his hair race bait.

I still haven't heard a substantive argument against him here. We seem to actually agree on the substantive issue of foreign policy. I have mostly had to try and deprogram you all from the race baiting programming you received through the media.



I disagree. Higher relative to what? And the higher standards of living in some of these countries may be due to other policies which I would support (like decriminalizing drugs - no victim no crime). I think centralized power is the main issue and socialism and globalism is just another system full of empty promises that get well-meaning gullible people to go along with more centralization of power. We haven't had truly free markets for a very long time and that is why we are riding the biggest economic bubble in world history that is popping and taking down the whole world system with it. This is by design to get the world on one centrally controlled digital currency. To mask the collapse they need to take us to war and they have been doing everything imaginable to try and start a war.



When I see a quote I'll disavow it. I really dislike what he has said about torture and completely disagree with it. But he did somewhat backtrack on that the next day.



I'm hoping it is symbolic of other policies that will effectively put up a wall by enforcing existing immigration law. I don't think he is that dumb.



But we have to have borders or we are not a nation. If we are not a nation and merely a fuzzy amalgamation of watered down cultures in the globalist soup, we have a much smaller voice and no say over our future. We need smaller and smaller governments and the bigger the government (as in more people and resources) the more checks there needs to be on its power.



It's not fear mongering to lock your door or be selective about who you allow inside your house around your loved ones.

Immigration is a matter of law. Congress has the authority under the constitution to develop the laws of the land particularly concerning national borders. The president does not have the authority to do as he has done and nullify the law by ordering enforcers of the law (border patrol and ICE) to stop enforcing the law. If we want to have open borders and let anyone in, then it has to be put to a vote and go through the normal legislative process.

The borders are wide open letting thousands of people in. Of those thousands some are criminals and some are terrorists some are merely adding to the competition for labor for jobs (because they don't pay taxes they can work for less) that are disappearing while demanding free healthcare and welfare leeching off of what remains of the middle class.

We are literally witnessing the purposeful destruction and dissolution of the U.S. right now.



Well you should really look into it because the world is run by elite secret societies and they hate Donald Trump because he is not part of the brotherhood and is not controlled by them. Zionism is only one aspect of this but a very prominent part of it.

By the way "Conspiracy Theorist" was a term promoted by the CIA as a pejorative to mock and shame people away from looking into legitimate corruption.

Don't have time to give the response this comment deserves but I have given you a link to 15 Trump quotes, and to prejudiced/backward views that some of his supporters hold - you have just completely ignored that post (you've replied to the rest though)

 

[Hurmanetar]

Don't have time to give the response this comment deserves but I have given you a link to 15 Trump quotes, and to prejudiced/backward views that some of his supporters hold - you have just completely ignored that post (you've replied to the rest though)

I started writing a response to it but I HAVE to tear myself away from this discussion and do some work today! I'm way behind. I will respond to it though! Promise!

 

[Michael2]

We are all Donald Trump Now ! Part Zwei

The Trump virus is catching -

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...-parallels-the-rise-of-donald-trump-in-the-us

In both countries, the formula for insurgent success has involved riding and encouraging a wave of populist anger and fear, much of it directed at immigrants. In both countries, the political establishments long underestimated the depth of the challenge. And in both countries, the stark implications are just beginning to come into view.

 

[Hurmanetar]

We are all Donald Trump Now ! Part Zwei

The Trump virus is catching -

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...-parallels-the-rise-of-donald-trump-in-the-us

Again, you're going along with the Orwellian manipulation of language and the shifting of the meanings of words. It's not about "migrants" or "immigrants". It's about illegal aliens and the rule of law. It's about the ability to have local government where the people have a voice rather than be dominated by a global government. The illegal aliens coming into the country pay no taxes, the already struggling middle class pays for their healthcare and welfare, and in many places they can vote! They are being allowed to flood in as a weapon to aid in the crashing of the system. And the globalist psychopaths play our empathy and collective guilt for going along with the wars like a violin.

 

[David Bailey]

I think what I find interesting - and rather exciting - is that my somewhat vague concept of Trump's politics has not been seriously contradicted by anyone here.

I must say that thinking about Max_B's experience further makes me feel that the ideal is not to mix up populations in the way that has become fashionable recently, but to let each have a place to exist. I mean Britain has taken hundreds of years to 'realise' that if religion gets too much political power it is bad news, and that tolerance is a real virtue (except, I would argue when we end up tolerating the intolerant - typically in the name of religion), and that each individual has a right to make his or her own decisions about sexual matters providing only that this involves consenting adults. If others want to join us to embrace the same values, that is fine, but if they don't, they should go elsewhere. I think something similar applies to the USA.

David

 

[Hurmanetar]

"Trump is drawing massive support from every group inluding Democrats.." And we know this because of what, polls? But you just said prior to that statement, this statement: "I don't trust any of them"?

Because there's been record voter turnout in the primaries and I've seen a number of people interviewed that are pro Trump or Bernie or people who were formerly democrats siding with Trump over Hitlery. Diamond and Silk and Farrakhan are examples I've already posted. I don't trust the mainstream news agencies.

 

[Michael2]

Because there's been record voter turnout in the primaries and I've seen a number of people interviewed that are pro Trump or Bernie or people who were formerly democrats siding with Trump over Hitlery. Diamond and Silk and Farrakhan are examples I've already posted. I don't trust the mainstream news agencies.

Ok so how does "I've seen a number of people interviewed that are pro Trump or Bernie or people who were formerly democrats siding with Trump over Hitlery" morph into "massive support" ? Do you have data/stats something other than polling data backing this up? I'm ok with it being your "gut feeling" but that also would not be "massive support." Help me out here.

 

[Hurmanetar]

http://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/

I don't deny that some things Trump says are crass and offensive to some people. He tells jokes which are tame for the entertainment industry (and for most men in general) but over the top for the idealized presidential candidate. I disagree that his statements indicate he is a racist. And as many people have mentioned, a lot of people find it "refreshing" that a candidate does not concern himself too much with political correctness as it makes him seem more honest and down to earth.

1) As I explained elsewhere in this thread, I have no problem with the proposed temporary immigration halt on Muslims entering the country nor do I have a problem with enforcing immigration law.

2) I don't see how that's offensive. I have a very good Jewish friend. He worked at bank to put himself through accounting school. He loved making jokes about Jewish bankers and money. What's wrong with that? European Jews got heavily involved in banking and business because there was a demand for credit and Christianity forbade it as usury, so it is a justifiable stereotype based on truth and not a negative one. People shouldn't be so thin skinned.

3) What's wrong with that? We can say "the whites" or "the hispanics" or "the Jews" or "the Muslims" or "the Christians" but not "the blacks"?

4) "least racist" is obviously a poor choice of words because it implies everyone is a little bit racist, but I doubt he intended to imply that there is any amount of racism in him.

5) If he actually said it back in 1991 then I don't agree with his statement... still pretty thin evidence to conclude he's a closet racist.

6) It is true... due to affirmative action employers are forced to make race based decisions... which is racist... but stating the truth about the situation as he did is not racist. Being black means you can play the race card to your advantage. Being white means you have to take a handicap penalty for your alleged "white privilege".

7) I don't have a problem with these statements or find them racist.

8) I don't even understand how that is remotely offensive.

9) Again, how is this offensive at all?

10) Usage of the WWII slang term in the 80's is probably not a good idea if you want to be politically correct, but really... so what?

11) I obviously disagree with this statement. I can only assume it is a crass sexist joke and masculine bravado which was a lot more common 24 years ago. He appears to have a great relationship with his wife and she seems like an intelligent woman. She said in an interview that he doesn't try to control her and she doesn't try to control him. They let each other be their own person. She said that she does typically talk to him several times a day to discuss political developments regarding the campaign. I don't make crass sexist jokes although I'm sure at some point in my past I have. Most men do. At minimum I'm guilty from my college years of repeating the "that's what she said" line... I don't judge a person's entire character based on usage of crass humor otherwise no one would be worthy. Of course women have free reign to make sexist jokes about men these days, but that's all well and good with the trendy establishment.

12) I don't see anything wrong with "I cherish women" statement. The Megyn Kelly comment was crass.

13) Crass and childish attention grabbing statements.

14) Another crass joke.

15) Another crass joke.

 

[Michael2]

Again, you're going along with the Orwellian manipulation of language and the shifting of the meanings of words. It's not about "migrants" or "immigrants". It's about illegal aliens and the rule of law. It's about the ability to have local government where the people have a voice rather than be dominated by a global government. The illegal aliens coming into the country pay no taxes, the already struggling middle class pays for their healthcare and welfare, and in many places they can vote! They are being allowed to flood in as a weapon to aid in the crashing of the system. And the globalist psychopaths play our empathy and collective guilt for going along with the wars like a violin.

The context in Germany is similar but not the same as in the US. I don't agree with you here. I am not being manipulated by the Orwellian-overlords-whatever-Illuminati-Masonic German branch. I also need you to show me some evidence that illegals are not paying taxes. Not sure how that would even work? Are you saying the employer is not witholding taxes from their paychecks? Are you saying when they purchase consumer goods they are excempt from paying taxes? Are you saying when then fill their tank at the gas stations they are excempt from paying taxes. They may actually be overpaying taxes, if they don't file returns how would they get any refund? Not sure we can simply state that they don't pay taxes.

Another fruitful question to ask is why are these people risking money, life and limb to cross the border deserts just for a chance at a low paying job that no legal wants to do? What conditions drive them across the border in the dark of night and the heat of the day? How did the economic conditions evolve to require them to take these risks? NAFTA is no friend to these people who come across the border.

 

[Roberta]

I don't deny that some things Trump says are crass and offensive to some people. He tells jokes which are tame for the entertainment industry (and for most men in general) but over the top for the idealized presidential candidate. I disagree that his statements indicate he is a racist. And as many people have mentioned, a lot of people find it "refreshing" that a candidate does not concern himself too much with political correctness as it makes him seem more honest and down to earth.

1) As I explained elsewhere in this thread, I have no problem with the proposed temporary immigration halt on Muslims entering the country nor do I have a problem with enforcing immigration law.

2) I don't see how that's offensive. I have a very good Jewish friend. He worked at bank to put himself through accounting school. He loved making jokes about Jewish bankers and money. What's wrong with that? European Jews got heavily involved in banking and business because there was a demand for credit and Christianity forbade it as usury, so it is a justifiable stereotype based on truth and not a negative one. People shouldn't be so thin skinned.

3) What's wrong with that? We can say "the whites" or "the hispanics" or "the Jews" or "the Muslims" or "the Christians" but not "the blacks"?

4) "least racist" is obviously a poor choice of words because it implies everyone is a little bit racist, but I doubt he intended to imply that there is any amount of racism in him.

5) If he actually said it back in 1991 then I don't agree with his statement... still pretty thin evidence to conclude he's a closet racist.

6) It is true... due to affirmative action employers are forced to make race based decisions... which is racist... but stating the truth about the situation as he did is not racist. Being black means you can play the race card to your advantage. Being white means you have to take a handicap penalty for your alleged "white privilege".

7) I don't have a problem with these statements or find them racist.

8) I don't even understand how that is remotely offensive.

9) Again, how is this offensive at all?

10) Usage of the WWII slang term in the 80's is probably not a good idea if you want to be politically correct, but really... so what?

11) I obviously disagree with this statement. I can only assume it is a crass sexist joke and masculine bravado which was a lot more common 24 years ago. He appears to have a great relationship with his wife and she seems like an intelligent woman. She said in an interview that he doesn't try to control her and she doesn't try to control him. They let each other be their own person. She said that she does typically talk to him several times a day to discuss political developments regarding the campaign. I don't make crass sexist jokes although I'm sure at some point in my past I have. Most men do. At minimum I'm guilty from my college years of repeating the "that's what she said" line... I don't judge a person's entire character based on usage of crass humor otherwise no one would be worthy. Of course women have free reign to make sexist jokes about men these days, but that's all well and good with the trendy establishment.

12) I don't see anything wrong with "I cherish women" statement. The Megyn Kelly comment was crass.

13) Crass and childish attention grabbing statements.

14) Another crass joke.

15) Another crass joke.

I have to ask why you have a need to explain away everything Trump has said?

This is a small number of bad things he has said by the way, there are many, many more.

The fact you have no problem with point one is troubling. To ban somebody from entering a country because of their religion is literally bigotry and prejudice.

 

[Hurmanetar]

Ok so how does "I've seen a number of people interviewed that are pro Trump or Bernie or people who were formerly democrats siding with Trump over Hitlery" morph into "massive support" ? Do you have data/stats something other than polling data backing this up? I'm ok with it being your "gut feeling" but that also would not be "massive support." Help me out here.

"Ohio election officials say that more than half of all early voting on the GOP side is from voters who were recently Democrats or Independents. CNN's Martin Savidgereports."
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...avidge-erin.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-ohio-insight-idUSKCN0WC19Q

"Turnout has surged for Republicans this year, with nearly every primary or caucus setting a record. Democrats’ turnout, meanwhile, has tanked compared with 2008, when Mrs. Clinton faced off against Mr. Obama in an epic battle." "Mr. Munroe, a Republican supporting Gov. John Kasich, one of Mr. Trump’s competitors, said the influx includes unaffiliated and new voters who have never participated in the primary process, as well as Democrats who have crossed over. Democrats elsewhere in other pockets of the state also said they were voting Republican, including Don, 40, and Tammy Parsons, 38, of North Ridgeville, who said after a Trump rally in Cleveland that they are Democrats and planned to back Mr. Trump. “There is really nobody in the Democratic party that is worth voting for,” Mr. Parsons said."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/15/donald-trump-attracting-new-voters-democrats-tired/

"Visits to campaign rallies in Florida this week confirmed what polls have been suggesting for months: Donald Trump is leading the race for the Republican nomination in large part because he's winning over throngs of nonhabitual voters. ...
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida-20160316-column.html

"Democrats need to take a good long look in the mirror if they want answers to why blue-collar workers are feeling abandoned and even infuriated by what used to be their party. Many such voters are now backing Donald Trump, who is sketching out the problem with America in exactly the terms they agree with: Jobs are either going to Mexico, or going to Mexicans. Unchecked illegal immigration on the one hand and free trade on the other hand are driving down the wages of working-class Americans, or costing them their jobs outright."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/12/how-de...rking-class-and-spurred-rise-to-donald-trump/

https://twitter.com/trumpdemocrats

In fairness here's an article claiming to debunk the idea:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-winning-states-because-of-strategic-voting/

"In states for which we have Republican exit poll data this year (largely via CNN) and exit poll data from 2012, we can compare the percentage of the electorate in those primaries and caucuses which was Democratic. As you might expect if you weren't expecting a conspiracy, some states have seen more Democrats turning out to vote and some have seen fewer. More have seen fewer, in fact. In Michigan, one of the states where "strategic voting" has been alleged, nine percent of the 2012 electorate was Democratic. This year, seven percent was."

This statement is a very misleading.. in fact it is basically a lie. He is talking about democratic voter density and not total democratic voters. Since turnout is setting records (33% in his example case of Michigan) the total democratic voter turn out for the GOP was actually higher.

 

[David Bailey]

I have to ask why you have a need to explain away everything Trump has said?

This is a small number of bad things he has said by the way, there are many, many more.

The fact you have no problem with point one is troubling.

I think Donald Trump and Nigel Farage have both dug their heels in about political correctness. It has gone utterly crazy in the UK. For example, the police were brought in to investigate two players in a professional football match because one of them was supposed to have used a racially derogatory word (not a tirade - just one word) to the other. Meanwhile, it would seem that there was no time to properly investigate the claims of girls in Rotherham to have been raped and forced into sex with physical threats such as fire.

Sometimes the news sounds more like squabbling kids in a playground - "Miss, he used a naughty word!", "No I didn't!", "Oh yes you did!". Flushing out some of the BS from politics would help.

To ban somebody from entering a country because of their religion is literally bigotry and prejudice.

Well the Flying Spaghetti Monster religion was set up to point out that a religion can stand for absolutely anything. I haven't the slightest doubt that most ISIS members are devoutly religious - so should we accept them all with open arms?

David

 

[Hurmanetar]

I have to ask why you have a need to explain away everything Trump has said?

I asked for Trump's statements that were racist, and you provided the link and wanted me to address them so I addressed each one. Some of which I disagreed with but explained why I didn't think they define him as a racist.

This is a small number of bad things he has said by the way, there are many, many more.

Well this is allegedly the top 15.

The fact you have no problem with point one is troubling. To ban somebody from entering a country because of their religion is literally bigotry and prejudice.

Temporary ban and the black leader of the Nation of Islam said it was wise. It is not bigotry. It is not motivated by hate or intolerance for Muslims but a desire to protect the nation from radical Muslims (like ISIS) who are continually threatening to come over here and wreak havoc, so the radicals must be sorted out during the LEGAL immigration process. Until we can stem the flow of illegals and get a handle on who is coming into the nation and get the legal immigration process working again, we should put in a temporary ban.

EDIT: again, how are we going to fine Iran $10.5 billion for failing to stamp a Saudi 9/11 hijacker's passport when we are letting ungodly numbers of undocumented unknowns in all willy nilly.

 

[Hurmanetar]

I am not being manipulated by the Orwellian-overlords-whatever-Illuminati-Masonic German branch.

Have you ever read 1984? I highly recommend it. Manipulation of language and the meanings of words is powerful. Let's get it right and stop incorrectly calling them migrants and call them illegal immigrants or better yet illegal aliens. There is a difference and it makes a difference in how they are perceived. Calling them migrants tugs on people's heartstrings more than "illegal aliens". This is one example of how the well-meaning left gets played like a fiddle.

I also need you to show me some evidence that illegals are not paying taxes. Not sure how that would even work? Are you saying the employer is not witholding taxes from their paychecks? Are you saying when they purchase consumer goods they are excempt from paying taxes? Are you saying when then fill their tank at the gas stations they are excempt from paying taxes. They may actually be overpaying taxes, if they don't file returns how would they get any refund? Not sure we can simply state that they don't pay taxes.

If you don't have a SS# or a TIN how does the government even know you are here to tax you? I work in a manufacturing industry in Texas... there are illegal immigrants around here paying less taxes or no taxes... not saying that is currently going on at my facility........ Employers are not supposed to hire them without papers, but... it happens. Then there are self-employed illegals running their own yard services or taco stands. Our shop foreman is bi-lingual - a valuable asset - since roughly half the workers in the shop don't speak English.

Yes they purchase goods they pay a sales tax.

Another fruitful question to ask is why are these people risking money, life and limb to cross the border deserts just for a chance at a low paying job that no legal wants to do?

It isn't true that "no legal wants to do" their jobs. I had a buddy (white guy) who started a lawn care business called "Green Goes". ;-) The illegals are more labor supply which is good for employers and bad for employees because there's more competition so wages are lower. There is a huge glut of labor... especially now with the O&G bust.

I agree that many of these people just want to make a better life for themselves or they want free healthcare or they're fleeing the violence of the cartels or of the U.S. wars or ISIS... that is why we have a legal immigration process. Some of them are fugitives from justice. ...and a very few of them belong to ISIS.

Suppose you have a really nice house with lots of beautiful land... What if you left the gates open and put a sign up saying "doors unlocked. All are welcome in."

I used to let all sorts of people come stay at my house... I was very idealistic in my Christian zeal... "if you want to be a stepping stone to Christ, you have to be prepared to get walked on" was my motto. I got taken advantage of a lot by people who didn't deserve it and weren't interested in helping themselves and in the long run my sacrifices for them did nothing for them. Eventually I learned to be discriminating and not to cast my pearls before swine. We have to do the same as a nation and be discriminating about who we let in to our country and who we let consume our substance or we will no longer be a nation.

 

[Michael2]

"Ohio election officials say that more than half of all early voting on the GOP side is from voters who were recently Democrats or Independents. CNN's Martin Savidgereports."
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...avidge-erin.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-ohio-insight-idUSKCN0WC19Q

"Turnout has surged for Republicans this year, with nearly every primary or caucus setting a record. Democrats’ turnout, meanwhile, has tanked compared with 2008, when Mrs. Clinton faced off against Mr. Obama in an epic battle." "Mr. Munroe, a Republican supporting Gov. John Kasich, one of Mr. Trump’s competitors, said the influx includes unaffiliated and new voters who have never participated in the primary process, as well as Democrats who have crossed over. Democrats elsewhere in other pockets of the state also said they were voting Republican, including Don, 40, and Tammy Parsons, 38, of North Ridgeville, who said after a Trump rally in Cleveland that they are Democrats and planned to back Mr. Trump. “There is really nobody in the Democratic party that is worth voting for,” Mr. Parsons said."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/15/donald-trump-attracting-new-voters-democrats-tired/

"Visits to campaign rallies in Florida this week confirmed what polls have been suggesting for months: Donald Trump is leading the race for the Republican nomination in large part because he's winning over throngs of nonhabitual voters. ...
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0316-mcmanus-trump-rubio-florida-20160316-column.html

"Democrats need to take a good long look in the mirror if they want answers to why blue-collar workers are feeling abandoned and even infuriated by what used to be their party. Many such voters are now backing Donald Trump, who is sketching out the problem with America in exactly the terms they agree with: Jobs are either going to Mexico, or going to Mexicans. Unchecked illegal immigration on the one hand and free trade on the other hand are driving down the wages of working-class Americans, or costing them their jobs outright."
http://nypost.com/2016/03/12/how-de...rking-class-and-spurred-rise-to-donald-trump/

https://twitter.com/trumpdemocrats

In fairness here's an article claiming to debunk the idea:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-winning-states-because-of-strategic-voting/

"In states for which we have Republican exit poll data this year (largely via CNN) and exit poll data from 2012, we can compare the percentage of the electorate in those primaries and caucuses which was Democratic. As you might expect if you weren't expecting a conspiracy, some states have seen more Democrats turning out to vote and some have seen fewer. More have seen fewer, in fact. In Michigan, one of the states where "strategic voting" has been alleged, nine percent of the 2012 electorate was Democratic. This year, seven percent was."

This statement is a very misleading.. in fact it is basically a lie. He is talking about democratic voter density and not total democratic voters. Since turnout is setting records (33% in his example case of Michigan) the total democratic voter turn out for the GOP was actually higher.

The first three links are about Ohio, talking about Democrats voting for Trump. Kasich won that primary trouncing Trump handily. The next link isn't about Ohio but again just talking about Democrats voting for Trump, but no data is given that shows "massive support" for Trump among Democrats. The next link talks about how the Democratic party abandoned the blue collar workers. I agree with that, they did and they are paying for it now. So fertile ground for Sanders to dig into. But, again no data to support the notion that there is "massive support" among Democrats for Trump.

The next link is Trump's Democrats for Trump Twitter feed. Really?

So the only link you provided with actual data and analysis is the one that debunks the notion of "massive support" among Democrats for Trump.