The #QAnon Conciousness Phenomena

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I don't understand why President Trump doesn't just FIRE all of the Senior Administrators at DOJ, FBI, DIA, State, CIA, et al.

He is the freakin Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Government. I thought he had the legal authority to do that.
I think the way the republicans are divulging the evidence is being carefully planned and managed for maximum effect on public opinion. It is a sort of stage show or psychological operation. "Release the memo" is part of it. They are doing this for two purposes: to minimize democratic voters' disbelief, and to maximize the political effect on the 2018 midterm elections.
 
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#63
Thanks Jim,

There is a lot of detail there, and it looks like we all should heartily thank Admiral Rogers for what he has done to thwart this plot. The gist of this story seems to be confirmed by a lot of sources, and hopefully this will be in the open very soon.

I have a feeling that this story will have deep roots, and that a lot more will be uncovered in the months and years ahead. I have a strong feeling that George Soros must have funded this one way or another.

David
I think it is particularly interesting that when they learned Rogers was going to report to the FISA Court, they went to report it first so it would look like they were shocked to discover the wrong doing. No one can say it is an invention of Trump because the Obama administration officials "confessed". And diGenova explains why Obama didn't fire Rogers - it was too late, it would only make the situation look worse if he did.
 
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I think it is particularly interesting that when they learned Rogers was going to report to the FISA Court, they went to report it first so it would look like they were shocked to discover the wrong doing. No one can say it is an invention of Trump because the Obama administration officials "confessed". And diGenova explains why Obama didn't fire Rogers - it was too late, it would only make the situation look worse if he did.
This information is still not visible on Fox News, I hope this becomes definite soon.
I don't understand why President Trump doesn't just FIRE all of the Senior Administrators at DOJ, FBI, DIA, State, CIA, et al.

He is the freakin Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Government. I thought he had the legal authority to do that.
I think that would have given the Democrats the opportunity to say he was fixing the investigation about the (bogus) Russia link. Also, this way, I hope it will reel in a lot more of the traitors.

I wonder if journalists in other countries were also paid to trash Trump - the BBC has done its damnedest to do just that, and they studiously ignored issues such as Fusion GPS - at least in anything I heard.

Still keeping my fingers crossed that the good guys win!

David
 
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This information is still not visible on Fox News, I hope this becomes definite soon.



David
According to diGenova it is visible here:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

On October 24, 2016, the government orally apprised the Court of significant noncompliance with the NSA's minimization procdures involving queries of data acqired under Section 702 using U.S. person identifiers. ....
 
#68
At a glance, it is extremely opaque, but presumably does relate to the events described in the video.

David

I like Fox News because they cover stories the other news outlets don't, but I don't believe everything they report just because it is coming from Fox. I would consider expert commentary and analysis from someone like diGenova, a former federal prosecutor and independent council, more reliable than reporting from Fox.
 
#69
According to diGenova
I never heard of this guy, but he does an excellent job of laying out the whole enchilada.

"Joe diGenova, a former federal prosecutor, ...says former FBI Director James Comey conducted a fake criminal investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as they “followed none of the regular rules, gave her every break in the book, immunized all kinds of people, allowed the destruction of evidence, with no grand jury, no subpoenas, no search warrants. That’s not an investigation. That’s a Potemkin village. It’s a farce.


I have completely ignored the year-long Russia! Russia! Russia! thing because I honestly thought it would work, and President Trump would be prevented from prosecuting the Clinton Crime Cabal.


Things are looking up! :D
 
#70
Things are looking up! :D
I am doubtful about two things: 1) Democrat voters will either not believe any crimes were committed or not care because they believe the ends justify the means (that corrupting the criminal justice and intelligence agencies to subvert the outcome of an election conducted in compliance with the US constitution is justified because someone has an abrasive manner of speaking). So after a few elections cycles we will be back in the same situation. 2) Evil people work in the shadows and don't reveal themselves until they have acquired the power needed to exercise control at which time it is very hard to deal with them because they have acquired power. Good people just want to live their lives in peace. So how do we keep constant vigilance for evil plotters working in secret?

While I am glad this corruption seems to be in the process of being uprooted, I am not really optimistic that anything will be different in the future. Each generation believes the previous one was all wrong and they have the new (old) solutions and humanity has to repeat the same political and economic mistakes endlessly generation after generation.

Ultimately it is a problem of human nature. Prosecuting criminals is treating a symptom. Developing a culture that can control human frailties is a solution that we are not even close to attaining. No one is even looking into the problem as far as I know. In fact popular culture promotes all the wrong character traits (selfishness, materialism, egotism, revenge) instead of the good ones (love, tolerance, forgiveness). Many claims of moral superiority are belied by the claimant's actions. Yet few can see it. You would think the educational system would be part of the solution, unfortunately it is part of the problem.
 
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While I am glad this corruption seems to be in the process of being uprooted, I am not really optimistic that anything will be different in the future. Each generation believes the previous one was all wrong and they have the new (old) solutions and humanity has to repeat the same political and economic mistakes endlessly generation after generation.
Well that may be true in the long term, but I think if enough people (particularly left-leaning lefties) get to see how they have been tricked, it will be a huge step in the right direction.

David
 
#72
Well that may be true in the long term, but I think if enough people (particularly left-leaning lefties) get to see how they have been tricked, it will be a huge step in the right direction.

David
I don't think they will recognize or care that they have been fooled. They will believe we have been fooled or that the deception was for a greater good.

Cognitive bias is too hard to over come. To me politics looks like belief in materialism or belief in the paranormal. People don't change sides much. It's like when the charlatan pretending to be psychic or a spiritual teacher is exposed as a fraud, the followers don't beleive they were fooled. Or when a skeptic believes any accusation of fraud no matter how flimsy or improbable. A few on the margins might switch sides and that can tip elections one way or the other but overall nothing much changes. Those people are never satisfied, they get bored with one party and want to give the other party a chance. They don't vote according to principles but according to personalities.
 
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#73
I don't think they will recognize or care that they have been fooled. They will believe we have been fooled or that the deception was for a greater good.
Many of them think speech that disagrees with their opinions is justification for violence. They don't believe communicating is a way to avoid violence they believe it is a justification for violence. Think about how that contradicts pretty much all of the development of human civilization up to now: how people can live together peacefully. Just chuck it out the window in one generation. Blatant hypocrisy and they don't see it. The ends justifies the means. I am not making predictions. Anything can happen, might be good, might be bad. I am just watching.

Jonathan Haidt believes the universities are going to get back to teaching free speech soon. I hope he is right. I am somewhat doubtful though because as Haidt says, the worst of this cultural pathology is found in the humanities departments which should be repositories of human wisdom not dispensaries of foolishness. If the older wiser generation doesn't pass on it's wisdom soon it will be lost. The wisdom gleaned from untold generations of human inhumanity lost in one generation. Very sad. What a waste.
 
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If the older wiser generation doesn't pass on it's wisdom soon it will be lost.
It's not lost. Wise men are still fighting the Good Fight. They are adapting to new technologies and using them to reach young people the way Universities were set up to do in the 17th century.

Evil is not creative. It only co-opts, twists, and perverts what good people build. This is what happened to Universities, the Gutenberg press, and The Seven Liberating Arts.

I don't agree with everything they say, but look at the brilliant work being done by people like Stefan Molyneux, James Corbett, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Richard Grove, and Andrew Torba. They are reaching millions of young people.
 
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Jonathan Haidt believes the universities are going to get back to teaching free speech soon. I hope he is right. I am somewhat doubtful though because as Haidt says, the worst of this cultural pathology is found in the humanities departments which should be repositories of human wisdom not dispensaries of foolishness.
I don't know, I mean the incredible inanity of much public debate right now, can't really last. It is a bubble of total insanity, and I would guess that a lot of Democratic party members, not involved in this illegality are going to start to ask questions - think Donna Brazile, for example.

David
 
#77
Former federal prosecutor and independent council Joe diGenova says the FBI "tried to frame an incoming President with a false Russian conspiracy that never existed and they knew it and they plotted to ruin him as a candidate and then destroy him as a President."
And all those fake journalists who are always talking russia russia russia know it was a frame up too. They are an intrinsic part of the corruption - destroying civil society, disrupting the constitutional processes of government.

If you want to do something about it, in the US, cancel your cable TV service. Everyone who pays for cable or satellite TV is supporting the news channels whether you watch them or not. Even if you like CNN and MSNBC, you are also supporting Fox News and Fox Business.
 
#78
DiGenova was on Tucker Carlson last night.
I work in I.T. and I assure you those texts exist somewhere.

Continuous, on-the-fly replication back-up is a huge deal in I.T. Whole corporations specialize in nothing but that.

Those texts exist in at least 5 different places at this very moment. I'm confident a White Hat has them, and they will be produced during prosecutions.
 
#79
I work in I.T. and I assure you those texts exist somewhere.

Continuous, on-the-fly replication back-up is a huge deal in I.T. Whole corporations specialize in nothing but that.

Those texts exist in at least 5 different places at this very moment. I'm confident a White Hat has them, and they will be produced during prosecutions.
Are they stored in a way that proves they are genuine (analogous to emails).

David
 
#80
Yes. When storing data, you always store along with it the meta-data of where it came from, when, and the path it moved around from server to server.

It's how Prosecutors convict murderers on cell phone tower data, and how the I.R.S. can show a jury you transfered money to the Bahamas.

I.T. guys like CIO's get called into court a lot for lawsuits and Human Resource actions (employee porn) and such. They tend to autistically keep their work objective and undeniable because it's easier that way.
 
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