The #QAnon Conciousness Phenomena

Jim_Smith said:
Trump won despite the best efforts of the FBI,....
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Didn't he win because of the FBI?
Was the reopening of the investigation into Hilary's emails, weeks before the election, an effort to help her?

And why didn't they make public the suspicion of Trump collusion whit Russia, if their goal was to oppose Trump?

It is a very weird conspiracy, where the conspirators do the complete opposite of what is supposed to be helpful.
 
Bart V said:
Didn't he win because of the FBI?
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What does it mean to say Trump won because the FBI revealed the truth?

If Trump won because the FBI for once, as an afterthought, almost by accident, told the truth, that only reinforces my point that people were fed up with crooks running the government.

But I don't know how may people decided their vote because of it. Hillary may have tried to blame the FBI but she tried to blame just about everything she could think of including sexism, the electoral college, racism and Russia. I think she lost because people were tired of crooks running the government getting rich while the people got poorer.

People who don't understand Trump voters need an explanation of how anyone could vote for someone with his speaking style. They are not affected by government policies the way Trump voters are because they are in different economic circumstances. So they need an explanation of how people could vote for Trump. Instead of the obvious answer, Trump proposed policies that would help his supporters economically, ie Trump would look after the needs of citizens, ie, Trump is the good guy in this story, they look for another explanation, the FBI, Russia, racism, etc. Trump won because he was the only candidate who put Americans first. Not illegal immigrants, not refugees, not foreign governments, not political cronies, not multinational corporations, but American citizens.

Was the reopening of the investigation into Hilary's emails, weeks before the election, an effort to help her?
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Comey made the announcement just before the election because he thought it was certain Clinton would win.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/com...-factor-email-investigation/story?id=54467459

James Comey said his decision to announce that the FBI was going to look back into the Hillary Clinton email investigation just days before the election was influenced by his belief that she would beat Donald Trump and his desire to make sure that the election results were viewed as legitimate.​
And why didn't they make public the suspicion of Trump collusion whit Russia, if their goal was to oppose Trump?
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The real point of the Russia hoax was to justify surveillance to get evidence for real crimes. They never got any because Trump is not a crook like the establishment cronies. They were probably stupefied by that.

Going after Trump with the fake dossier itself was risky because it was used illegally and was an obvious hoax. It was only an "insurance policy" in case Trump won. They would be in such a lot of trouble if Trump won that it would be worth resorting to a dubious risky "insurance policy" that might get them in even worse trouble if there was any chance it could lead to the removal of Trump from office.

(see my other post on this: http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/the-qanon-conciousness-phenomena.4066/page-25#post-125685)

It's also why the media is so negative towards Trump. The media is controlled by the establishment so once they had spread the false stories about Trump at the request of the politicians and appointed bureaucrats they were complicit in the conspiracy and they now have to stick to the Russia story no one believes because it is their only hope of avoiding prosecution.


It is a very weird conspiracy, where the conspirators do the complete opposite of what is supposed to be helpful.
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Q often says "these people are stupid".

They had been operating illegally for so long they stopped worrying about what would happen if the establishment was voted out of power.

I think this a common factor that leads to many criminals being brought to justice. They operate successfully until it makes them careless and then they get caught.
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Bart V said:
Didn't he win because of the FBI?
Was the reopening of the investigation into Hilary's emails, weeks before the election, an effort to help her?
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I guess there must have been some form of tension within the FBI, and doing absolutely nothing against Hillary was untenable. She had after all, stored classified information on a server that was not properly protected - and indeed, it subsequently turns out that the Chinese hacked into all those emails.
And why didn't they make public the suspicion of Trump collusion whit Russia, if their goal was to oppose Trump?
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The evidence of the congressional investigation seems to indicate that they didn't have suspicions - they were busy trying to manufacture them. That is why after close on two years of investigation nobody is any closer to understanding what this allegation consists of!
It is a very weird conspiracy, where the conspirators do the complete opposite of what is supposed to be helpful.
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If they had done their work properly, they would have indicted Hillary for a crime that she obviously committed, and which would normally attract a long jail sentence. I am not sure if this would have given the presidency directly, or whether a new candidate could have been chosen, but it would certainly have sent the DNC into a tailspin!

Also, I'd like to know why she chose to break the law on this matter - what was she hiding?

I suppose they were as biased in favour of Clinton as they dare.

Bart, please remember that as secretary of state she presided over the destruction of proper government in Libya, and the destabilisation of Syria - pushing it towards a similarly lawless state.

David
 
Jim_Smith said:
for a long time the establishment has been using US intelligence assets to spy on American citizens for political purposes, and as an establishment outsider Trump was the only candidate who they feared would investigate these abuses.
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This is significant because there are so many laws that most people are guilty of something*. What was going on was that whenever the establishment needed dirt on someone to control them, to blackmail them or threaten them with prosecution, or to get them out of the way by tying them up in legal actions and jail time, they would dig it out of the NSA database.

Think about that. The government is spying on its citizens to control anyone it wants to. This includes elected officials, government bureaucrats, judges, law enforcement officials, social activists, generals, etc etc or just ordinary cranks who are a pain in the butt.

* https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/deliver...0001000097003004091104028009065094104&EXT=pdf
Ham Sandwich Nation: Due Process When Everything is a Crime
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Glenn Harlan Reynolds
University of Tennessee College of Law

Date Written: January 20, 2013
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Though extensive due process protections apply to the investigation of crimes, and to criminal trials, perhaps the most important part of the criminal process -- the decision whether to charge a defendant, and with what -- is almost entirely discretionary. Given the plethora of criminal laws and regulations in today's society, this due process gap allows prosecutors to charge almost anyone they take a deep interest in.
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It would then be up to the junior prosecutors to figure out a plausible crime for which to indict him or her. The crimes were not usually rape, murder, or other crimes you’d see on Law & Order but rather the incredibly broad yet obscure crimes that populate the U.S. Code like a kind of jurisprudential minefield: Crimes like “false statements” (a felony, up to five years), “obstructing the mails” (five years), or “false pretenses on the high seas” (also five years). The trick and the skill lay in finding the more obscure offenses that fit the character of the celebrity and carried the toughest sentences. The, result, however, was inevitable: “prison time.”​
 
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The possibility of another fake gas attack in Syria is actually making into the main stream press:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6172483/PETER-HITCHENS-brink-war-noticed.html

I don't know whether this is good news or bad - good because the more this is signalled ahead of time, the greater the risk for the devils who are planning this, bad because it is further indication that this is real.

Please copy this link wherever it can do most good.

David
 

Trump @ War, a movie documentary by Steve Bannon, is an amazing and detailed accounting of the revolution between liberal and conservative ideologies that took place in the months leading up to the 2016 elections. Most people who followed mainstream liberal media outlets never saw the depth of the actual force and violence exacted against Trump supporters during demonstrations and rallies. This film is a display of the no-holds-barred attacks against his supporters, and a truthful exposition of the efforts to diminish Trump’s message and stop him from winning the election in November of 2016.

Bannon, former White House chief strategist, released this movie to chronicle Trump’s road to the White House. More importantly, Bannon says the movie shows why it’s critical for every American who voted for him in 2016 to support him in the midterms.
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lol. A "truthful exposition"? Should we parade a Michael Moore documentary as the opposing end of the "truthful" barbell? No agenda from Steve Bannon; that's for damn sure. Classic.
 
Silence said:
lol. A "truthful exposition"? Should we parade a Michael Moore documentary as the opposing end of the "truthful" barbell? No agenda from Steve Bannon; that's for damn sure. Classic.
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Why not try to respond factually, rather than with a quip. It is a well established fact that anyone supporting a right of centre viewpoint has extreme difficulty being heard on most campuses in the US, and to a lesser extent over here. The Antifa don't operate in a peaceful way, and don't operate exclusively against people who could reasonably be called 'fascist'.

David
 
David Bailey said:
Why not try to respond factually, rather than with a quip. It is a well established fact that anyone supporting a right of centre viewpoint has extreme difficulty being heard on most campuses in the US, and to a lesser extent over here. The Antifa don't operate in a peaceful way, and don't operate exclusively against people who could reasonably be called 'fascist'.

David
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I did respond factually. Bannon represents an extreme viewpoint. Moore would seem to be a reasonable proxy for the other extreme. I'm not interested in propaganda and that's what tends to be peddled at both ends of the barbell.

Charlie Primero said:
What parts of that video are not true?
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You aren't looking for an earnest response Charlie. Certainly not in this echo chamber of a thread.
 
Silence said:
You aren't looking for an earnest response Charlie.
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I am. You on the other hand provide nothing but disingenuous slander and snarky quips.

Every time you do this it provides more and more confirmation that Leftists are nothing but emotionally-driven animals uninterested in Facts and Reason, and thus deserving of disenfranchisement from our Polity.

Thank you.
 
Someone just tried to assassinate our President Trump with Ricin poison.

Republican baseball practice was shot up last year by a Leftist.

Marxist University Professors are openly calling for the murder & castration of White Men.

The FBI hides that fact that a Leftist shot 900 people in Las Vegas last year.

Self-Defense is a basic Human Right. Wars are won by killing your enemies until there are none.

My patience for Leftist violence is wearing thin.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-investigating-suspicious-letter-addressed-to-trump/
 
Charlie Primero said:
Every time you do this it provides more and more confirmation that Leftists are nothing but emotionally-driven animals uninterested in Facts and Reason, and thus deserving of disenfranchisement from our Polity.
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No need to get personal. Sorry I struck a nerve.
 
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