The Science of Re-incarnation

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Is that just part of Newton's regressions, or something else?

@LetsEat Incidentally LetsEat is doubtful about Newton's work because of his experience as a hypnotherapist.

David
No, there are just a good number of seemingly credible people with pre-birth memories. Ive mentioned my friends previously, and there are some good ones on youtube and some here http://www.oberf.org/prebirth.htm


Regarding Newton, Im convinced of two things when it comes to him. Im no expert, but ive read both his books and have conversed with a couple of people who worked with him (I talked with them online) and have read reviews of people who worked with him. My 2 opinions 1) He has had a lot of legitimate success doing regression work with many many people. 2) He's cleaned up a lot of the transcripts and maybe even fabricated parts of them to make the books more tidy and presentable and hes exaggerated what he KNOWS about the afterlife. I'm pretty confident that that is the story with him,.
 
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No, there are just a good number of seemingly credible people with pre-birth memories. Ive mentioned my friends previously, and there are some good ones on youtube and some here http://www.oberf.org/prebirth.htm


Regarding Newton, Im convinced of two things when it comes to him. Im no expert, but ive read both his books and have conversed with a couple of people who worked with him (I talked with them online) and have read reviews of people who worked with him. My 2 opinions 1) He has had a lot of legitimate success doing regression work with many many people. 2) He's cleaned up a lot of the transcripts and maybe even fabricated parts of them to make the books more tidy and presentable and hes exaggerated what he KNOWS about the afterlife. I'm pretty confident that that is the story with him,.
Which aspects of his books do you feel were likely fabricated?

Your prebirth link looks good. I mean if this is a common experience, it changes things a lot. I mean, a lot of what society thinks it knows has been filtered by materialism.

David
 
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Reincarnation, NDE's, Ghost's, Mediumship, ADC, (after death communication) Paranormal in general all make PERFECT sense to me. Like a jigsaw puzzle finally coming together to form the final picture. Religion has utterly failed me in the sense of what it says is true. I just don't see it! In reincarnation...I see the truth. The validation and I'm able to go from their and find more experiences and validation of all this as being REAL! I'm thankful I remained like a 5 year old with a open mind, questioning everything till I'm satisfied but still seeking...So, here "I am." I'm still hungry after all these years. I think I'm going to like it here! -Reed Portland, Oregon
 
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On the back of my neck, there is a birthmark shaped like a bullet wound. It's right at the base of what I think would be my brain stem. I don't know if this is where those being executed in any culture would typically be shot, though...
 
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Aliceinunderland

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Fantastic short video on the science of re-incarnation. It covers some of the research which has been done including a couple of noteworthy cases. The evidence for the reality of re-incarnation is extraordinarily strong in my opinion and VERY difficult to explain away.

Watching this led me to a 2015 interview of Alex's with Jim Tucker and the Ian Stevenson studies of reincarnated children, 75% with traumatic death memories. It seems to be strong evidence of the power of consciousness, not only leading to a carry-over of experience but also physical manifestations of previous injury.
 
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I don't understand one thing:

Why are you all so optimistic about these things?

Even if people have past life memories, that doesn't prove an afterlife or world beyond our physical one. Those memories might be directly injected into the experiencer's current "self", not have been experienced by the experiencer's current "self".

When we die, our "self" may not pass onto next life or spiritual world, our "self" just disappear. There may be something else, like memories, which will be gleaned and recycled by some force beyond, like God, extraterrestial forces, etc. But our "self" won't take this fortune and probably won't be cherished or granted the privilege by those forces.

I want to tell everyone that God is very very cruel to me and many unfortunate people in this world. It makes me laugh if you say God actually cherishes our "self" or sends us to earth to experience something for us good and for a good plan.

I don't like to use words which never has a clear definition, like the word God, please replace it with "some powerful and determinative force" when I mention "God".

Last, let me cry awhile, I'm now in extreme sorrowfulness and bewilderment because of my current encounter in life and my whole life.
T_T T_T T_T T_T TUT TUT TUT TUT

Of course, if God (oh I forget to use a better descriptive word than the lousily simple word God) could one day deign to tell me the answers to all my questions within this twisted awful bad life, I could consider God really thinks good for mankind.

Currently I only see God is playing and tormenting me in a great pleasure.
 
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I don't understand one thing:

Why are you all so optimistic about these things?

Even if people have past life memories, that doesn't prove an afterlife or world beyond our physical one. Those memories might be directly injected into the experiencer's current "self", not have been experienced by the experiencer's current "self".

When we die, our "self" may not pass onto next life or spiritual world, our "self" just disappear. There may be something else, like memories, which will be gleaned and recycled by some force beyond, like God, extraterrestial forces, etc. But our "self" won't take this fortune and probably won't be cherished or granted the privilege by those forces.
I don't see it as optimism. Sometimes I'd just as much prefer to disappear. Having to come back and do it all over again isn't a source of joy. If this life is not satisfactory, then doing it twice or three times or a hundred times is just many times more disatisfaction and troubles over and over.

But - from my own experience, we do come back. I say that not because of memories. It is something else which continues, it is the feeling of self, of being, of existing. It is very hard to put into words. What is it that makes me a person who calls himself 'Typoz' and what is it that makes you someone different who goes by the name 'Tarantulanebula'?

Anyway, for me, the biggest problem, the one thing above all which I had to solve, was why I had pains and emotions which must have had some powerful events to cause such feelings, yet my life here was very simple, rather boring and uninteresting, but not unhappy in itself. Why did I hurt so much, deep inside, not a physical pain which I could go to see a doctor about, but a mental pain which was without a cause? I struggled with this problem for a number of years, my life ground to a halt, I couldn't work, I could barely live.

Then, after much reading and much inner turmoil, by some chance events (seemingly) I found the cause of my unhappiness. It did have a cause after all. It was simply a continuation of where I left off in a previous lifetime. There had been events and causes there, real happenings which caused these emotions and distress.

This is a complicated and personal story, the details I cannot share, it is a story for myself only. Nevertheless it was a huge relief. There was a cause and effect after all. This simple outcome, after years of difficulty, the understanding that the universe can be understood, it isn't just chance, there is some logic to it, this gave me cause to hope. It meant this life is not in vain. No life is without meaning, everyone has value, each is a part of a very much bigger picture, extending far beyound our short human lifetimes.

I don't claim any bigger understanding, I don't speak much of God, I don't say where we are going, what is our destination. For me it is sufficient that I know an explanation is possible.

On a slighly different topic, there is something else which gives me hope. It is the fact that we have free will. We can choose. This is very powerful - and there are many who seek to deny freewill, to try to make us believe we are mere machines, random collisions between atoms and molecules. I don't accept that. Free will is fundamental, and it is this which is the real hope, the ability to change course. If things are not satisfactory, we can decide to try a different approach, to do things differently. This is most of all taking place deep inside ourself. It isn't the external actions, these could be mere play-acting or carrying out the instructions from someone else. But the way we approach these things, everything, on the inside, this is where we can choose. Here is the place to set a different path.
 
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I don't see it as optimism. Sometimes I'd just as much prefer to disappear. Having to come back and do it all over again isn't a source of joy. If this life is not satisfactory, then doing it twice or three times or a hundred times is just many times more disatisfaction and troubles over and over.

But - from my own experience, we do come back. I say that not because of memories. It is something else which continues, it is the feeling of self, of being, of existing. It is very hard to put into words. What is it that makes me a person who calls himself 'Typoz' and what is it that makes you someone different who goes by the name 'Tarantulanebula'?

Anyway, for me, the biggest problem, the one thing above all which I had to solve, was why I had pains and emotions which must have had some powerful events to cause such feelings, yet my life here was very simple, rather boring and uninteresting, but not unhappy in itself. Why did I hurt so much, deep inside, not a physical pain which I could go to see a doctor about, but a mental pain which was without a cause? I struggled with this problem for a number of years, my life ground to a halt, I couldn't work, I could barely live.

Then, after much reading and much inner turmoil, by some chance events (seemingly) I found the cause of my unhappiness. It did have a cause after all. It was simply a continuation of where I left off in a previous lifetime. There had been events and causes there, real happenings which caused these emotions and distress.

This is a complicated and personal story, the details I cannot share, it is a story for myself only. Nevertheless it was a huge relief. There was a cause and effect after all. This simple outcome, after years of difficulty, the understanding that the universe can be understood, it isn't just chance, there is some logic to it, this gave me cause to hope. It meant this life is not in vain. No life is without meaning, everyone has value, each is a part of a very much bigger picture, extending far beyound our short human lifetimes.

I don't claim any bigger understanding, I don't speak much of God, I don't say where we are going, what is our destination. For me it is sufficient that I know an explanation is possible.

On a slighly different topic, there is something else which gives me hope. It is the fact that we have free will. We can choose. This is very powerful - and there are many who seek to deny freewill, to try to make us believe we are mere machines, random collisions between atoms and molecules. I don't accept that. Free will is fundamental, and it is this which is the real hope, the ability to change course. If things are not satisfactory, we can decide to try a different approach, to do things differently. This is most of all taking place deep inside ourself. It isn't the external actions, these could be mere play-acting or carrying out the instructions from someone else. But the way we approach these things, everything, on the inside, this is where we can choose. Here is the place to set a different path.
Hello Typoz, I haven't been able to visit this forum for a fortnight until today.

What you tell me, leads to something I cry out of my heart to want, something which is everything I expect to get within my humble and lousy life.

I want many many amount of information which explains things happening in my life.

If what you said is true, then that is my savior and I can find hope.

But, may I ask:
How do you know, that we are the same "self" in different reincarnation?
I'm afraid that I, you, anyone, will not find a method to know it with 100% certainty.

What I experienced in my humble and lousy life, make me have a strong sense, that our "self" is only a temporary, disposal instance of some "tool" to collect some experience information. After we collect experience information for "them" - those higher, powerful, determinative forces, or existence, our "self" will be tossed into trash bin and disappear forever. They will create another "self" to experience the so called "next life" or "next incarnation".

I'm very glad that you can find the answer to the problems in your life, which correlates your previous life memories.

But, could you consider it deeper, and perhaps you will find the truth can have other possibilities? Not just so soothing, God-blessing and God-caring-us one. I think your belief is fascinating, but lacks convincing information.

Sorry if my worrying offends you, I'm talking about the real truth, the serious truth, and of course at the same time wishing you happy.
 
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Hello Tarantulanebula, it's good to hear from you.

You are right and I agree with you that my previous reply was not very satisfactory.

In fact, even the same day that I wrote that post, I began reflecting on what I had written. It seemed to me one of the weakest and least complete accounts that I have written about my experiences. I have attempted many times to describe these things, sometimes on several different forums, and some days I have included more detail. At times I have felt the urge, the need to talk about these things. But maybe each time I do so, the story becomes a bit less fresh, getting more stale. It is partly because I have to talk about things which were happening to me around the year 1980, and that is a long time ago now. Nearly forty years have passed. Things which burned in me like a fire back then are more distant and like a glow which remains after a fire subsides.

What I'm saying is only background, I'm not here attempting to answer you yet. But it seems some times I've expressed more fully the essence of my life story, but on other days it just seems ordinary, the same as any other tale.

Sorry, all this is a distraction. I want to reply again later when I have reconsidered how best to give a proper account of how and why I came to see myself, my life and the world, in the way I do.

As for yourself, Tarantulanebula, I hope you are well. I know sometimes you talk about the pressure of your job, working hard many days without a break. And we also hear in the news of a virus which is causing concern and disruption to ordinary life, for example transport and movement is disrupted.

Good wishes to you.
 
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Hello Tarantulanebula, it's good to hear from you.

You are right and I agree with you that my previous reply was not very satisfactory.

In fact, even the same day that I wrote that post, I began reflecting on what I had written. It seemed to me one of the weakest and least complete accounts that I have written about my experiences. I have attempted many times to describe these things, sometimes on several different forums, and some days I have included more detail. At times I have felt the urge, the need to talk about these things. But maybe each time I do so, the story becomes a bit less fresh, getting more stale. It is partly because I have to talk about things which were happening to me around the year 1980, and that is a long time ago now. Nearly forty years have passed. Things which burned in me like a fire back then are more distant and like a glow which remains after a fire subsides.

What I'm saying is only background, I'm not here attempting to answer you yet. But it seems some times I've expressed more fully the essence of my life story, but on other days it just seems ordinary, the same as any other tale.

Sorry, all this is a distraction. I want to reply again later when I have reconsidered how best to give a proper account of how and why I came to see myself, my life and the world, in the way I do.

As for yourself, Tarantulanebula, I hope you are well. I know sometimes you talk about the pressure of your job, working hard many days without a break. And we also hear in the news of a virus which is causing concern and disruption to ordinary life, for example transport and movement is disrupted.

Good wishes to you.
Thanks dear Typoz.

You are right and are keen on my difficult situation.

Dear Typoz, I've always been eager - extremely eager to hear from some higher, powerful, determinant forces or existence, eager to ask them questions about something in my life, and get their answer.

I cry my heart out to wait or to find them, who can answer my questions.

What you said previously stroke my heart in at least 2 points:
1, You said you couldn't concentrate on doing things for a long time, because of some suffering psychological problems. Sorry if I used imprecise words to repeat what you meant. I'm exactly in the same situation like this.
2, You became better because you found the causes of your suffering psychological problems, which correlate to your previous life memories. This is all that I want within my life, I want them immediately, thoroughly, like a starving person wants anything edible. I want the answers to my questions. As to what questions? what answers? That is a very very long story, I would make nonsense if I try to describe them by using several sentences.

So, your opinions are extremely important to me. The accounts in the oberf.org are extremely important to me (except those I feel too short and untrustworthy).

If reincarnation is the truth, then what I want will be closer to me than now - my encounters in this humble lousy life can have an explanation - I'm in a hell crying out of my heart for getting the answers to my questions. But, according to what I've read now, I don't think the evidence of reincarnation is strong. Or I think our "self" won't pass into different incarnations. Or those dominant forces are doing weirdly horrible things to us on the matter of reincarnation.

I would love to hear more from you, dear Typoz, but, at your ease and take care, I don't urge you, anytime later, I will wait to hear from you, more stories on this matter.

"They" have the answers to my questions, "they" know all these very very clearly, but "they" don't answer me. What wrong guilty I committed? I wonder, to deserve such a punishment? I beg them to save me by answering my questions, my questions in this humble and lousy life of mine. I want them immediately, right at my door, I can't wait any longer.
T_T

Take care dear Typoz.

I don't think "they" are merciful, "they", God or extraterrestrial lives or whatever, who are higher, powerful, determinant, and who know the answers to my questions in my humble, lousy, awful life. T_T
 
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Tarantulanebula

I've noticed that you tend to express negative thoughts and dark or depressing ideas about the way things are. I think this is something you should pay attention to.


I'll tell you a little story - entirely true, this is not fiction, but something very real which happened to me during the past year or so.


I had been going through a dark period, a kind of depression where every day was pain and suffering, without light. I should add that nowadays I measure these things relative to where I've already been in my life. This recent experience was almost nothing, almost a slight ripple compared with some of the very deep troughs I've journeyed through in the past. Nevertheless, I was struggling on, each day in gloom and despondency, nothing seemed worthwhile.

But one day, I woke up and I felt fine. Everything was ok, it was like the first warm day at the beginning of summer, after a long cold winter. I felt happy, overjoyed. Later on that day, I had a thought about something. I don't recall exactly what, it might have been about shortage of money, or about some unpleasant incident I recalled, I'm not sure. Anyway, within a few moments, perhaps five or ten seconds, I found myself back in depression and suffering again.

This is hard to describe, it is all happening within my mind. But there it was, after months of darkness and suffering, then emerging into warm sunlight, I found myself right back in the gloom again. I pondered on this. What just happened? A chain of events. A few moments thinking some negative idea, and my whole world had changed. It didn't seem fair. I was shocked, a little angry at the unfairness of it all. But then I reasoned: if a simple negative thought can take me into a dark place where I then find myself caught, there must be some other thought which could reverse the process. I sat and dwelt on this for a short while, a few minutes. Gradually my inner clouds lifted and I was back in the sun again.

With some relief, I relaxed a little. But, I asked myself, if that should happen again, how do I find my way out? Surprisingly, a voice replied, "The doorway is always directly in front of you".

That may sound puzzling, but I think I learned something valuable that day.

I'm reminded sometimes of when a fly or maybe a wasp finds its way indoors, and keeps buzzing around, then finds a window and keeps bouncing off the pane of glass. Sometimes I will open the window, but only one small pane will open, the rest of the window doesn't open. I try to fan the fly, wafting it towards the open window, but still it keeps on banging its nose into the glass elsewhere. Sooner or later it will probably find the open part by chance, and fly outside, free once more.

I think maybe sometimes we are like that fly or wasp, bouncing off the closed pane of glass, only finding the way out by chance.

Well, that's really the end of what I wanted to talk about. However, my point in telling this is to emphasise that thoughts are important. We can be imprisoned by our own thoughts. We don't deal in neutral observations here, every thought carries us along with it. We need to be careful where we send ourselves.

By the way, I don't mean to disrespect or minimise the sufferings and distress of anyone who has suffered or is suffering from depression. I'm aware of how hard life can be at times. I wish strength and courage to anyone in that situation.
 
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Tarantulanebula

I've noticed that you tend to express negative thoughts and dark or depressing ideas about the way things are. I think this is something you should pay attention to.


I'll tell you a little story - entirely true, this is not fiction, but something very real which happened to me during the past year or so.


I had been going through a dark period, a kind of depression where every day was pain and suffering, without light. I should add that nowadays I measure these things relative to where I've already been in my life. This recent experience was almost nothing, almost a slight ripple compared with some of the very deep troughs I've journeyed through in the past. Nevertheless, I was struggling on, each day in gloom and despondency, nothing seemed worthwhile.

But one day, I woke up and I felt fine. Everything was ok, it was like the first warm day at the beginning of summer, after a long cold winter. I felt happy, overjoyed. Later on that day, I had a thought about something. I don't recall exactly what, it might have been about shortage of money, or about some unpleasant incident I recalled, I'm not sure. Anyway, within a few moments, perhaps five or ten seconds, I found myself back in depression and suffering again.

This is hard to describe, it is all happening within my mind. But there it was, after months of darkness and suffering, then emerging into warm sunlight, I found myself right back in the gloom again. I pondered on this. What just happened? A chain of events. A few moments thinking some negative idea, and my whole world had changed. It didn't seem fair. I was shocked, a little angry at the unfairness of it all. But then I reasoned: if a simple negative thought can take me into a dark place where I then find myself caught, there must be some other thought which could reverse the process. I sat and dwelt on this for a short while, a few minutes. Gradually my inner clouds lifted and I was back in the sun again.

With some relief, I relaxed a little. But, I asked myself, if that should happen again, how do I find my way out? Surprisingly, a voice replied, "The doorway is always directly in front of you".

That may sound puzzling, but I think I learned something valuable that day.

I'm reminded sometimes of when a fly or maybe a wasp finds its way indoors, and keeps buzzing around, then finds a window and keeps bouncing off the pane of glass. Sometimes I will open the window, but only one small pane will open, the rest of the window doesn't open. I try to fan the fly, wafting it towards the open window, but still it keeps on banging its nose into the glass elsewhere. Sooner or later it will probably find the open part by chance, and fly outside, free once more.

I think maybe sometimes we are like that fly or wasp, bouncing off the closed pane of glass, only finding the way out by chance.

Well, that's really the end of what I wanted to talk about. However, my point in telling this is to emphasise that thoughts are important. We can be imprisoned by our own thoughts. We don't deal in neutral observations here, every thought carries us along with it. We need to be careful where we send ourselves.

By the way, I don't mean to disrespect or minimise the sufferings and distress of anyone who has suffered or is suffering from depression. I'm aware of how hard life can be at times. I wish strength and courage to anyone in that situation.
Dear Typoz, thank you for your comfort and experienced idea useful for struggling some of the depression psychological problems.

It is very useful, and wisely revelatory for many people's problems. It helps people a lot.

But, unfortunately, my problems are not something that is caused by I think about things in a wrong direction like a fly keeps bumping a glass without trying to find another direction or area for the exit from the chamber which confines it. My problems won't and can't be solved by that I think about things in another way, or think about things in a positive perspective, or that I find some novel "thoughts" then I can find the exit of whatever trapped me for a long time.

No, my problems are irrelevant to these, like "thinking things in a wrong way", "worrying the real life's difficulty like economic problems", etcetera.

My problems are very very long stories which I can't describe them by using just several sentences, but I can tell that I sense there are higher, powerful, determinant forces or existence who use us to glean experience information, and do biological experiment on us.

It's very very dark which can't be described in just a few words, I've sensed it, I'm sensing it, and I've been sensing it since my being born into this world. It is very cruel and dark. It is not that simple as relevant to how we view lives and in what angle we consider our lives. It needs those higher, powerful, determinant forces or existence to answer my questions immediately, informatively, and thoroughly. "They" are probably of some existence of extraterrestrial. I'm trembling in fear that they will not be mercy to me, or many people else. As to the ideas like "how we view the problems", "in which positive way we face our life problems", "some positive new thoughts to interpret the difficulties", these are irrelevant and futile in front of those extraterrestrial forces' arrangement and experiment, they are indifferent and cruel on our suffering and I will beg their answering to my questions in the rest of my humble and lousy life. Anyone may ask me: "what are your questions, and what kind of answers you want?" I will tell them: "my questions and the answers that I'm starving to get, can't be described by using just a few sentences, but I can tell that they are intimately relevant to those higher forces' biological experiment in which we are white rats". "They" might not be bad, "they" do not owe us, but "they" don't answer my questions and I'm crying begging their mercy. T_T T_T T_T T_T

Dear Typoz perhaps you won't understand me because "they" did not put you into this kind of biological experiment. I think it is a good thing and a bless on you. In this case I shouldn't trouble you by something you never get a sense and which you are not involved in. I'm sorry. And best wishes that, for your problems you have found an effective way to cure them. My stories are much much darker and horrible than some "mood problems" or "viewpoint problems". Forget what I said please I don't want you be involved and certainly you won't be involved because "they" seemed not involve you in. I will find some other people who are like me - be arranged into these biological experiment by those extraterrestrial forces. Hard to describe in just a few words. T_T T_T T_T T_T
 
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