The Shift Episode 48: The Mythology of Scientism with Alex Tsakiris ...

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lonevoice

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I liked how you two spoke a similar language about malevolent spirits. I REALLY liked how Doug McKinty framed his concept of a global elite (starting around mark 36 and again at 50ff): to paraphrase, "maybe they are communicating with these demons and malevolent spirits in the extended realms, and are being taught by them how to succeed in their dominance in finance, technocracy et al; and also these entities are involved in the pedophila networks, the SRA; maybe they are remunerated with this bloody sacrifice and thus continue to assist the elite to obtain more and more power." He also seemed to resonate with Zinser's concept of trauma-induced DID as facilitating MKUtra type evil.

A wowser interview.
 
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I liked how you two spoke a similar language about malevolent spirits. I REALLY liked how Doug McKinty framed his concept of a global elite (starting around mark 36 and again at 50ff): to paraphrase, "maybe they are communicating with these demons and malevolent spirits in the extended realms, and are being taught by them how to succeed in their dominance in finance, technocracy et al; and these entities are involved in the pedophila networks, the SRA; maybe they are remunerated for this sacrifice and thus continue to assist the elite to obtain more and more power. He also seemed to resonate with Zinser's concept of trauma-induced DID as facilitating MKUtra type evil
agreed... I mean, this same theme seems to come up again and again.
 
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lonevoice

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Swedenborg is highly respected for his mystical and paranomal abilitites. In his Spiritual Diary he describes less than benevolent spirits as follows:

1622 THAT SPIRITS RELATE THINGS EXCEEDINGLY FICTITIOUS, AND LIE. When spirits begin to speak with man, he must beware lest he believe them in anything; for they say almost anything; things are fabricated by them, and they lie; for if they were permitted to relate what heaven is, and how things are in the heavens, they would tell so many lies, and indeed with solemn affirmation, that man would be astonished; wherefore, when spirits were speaking, I was not permitted to have faith in the things which they related. - 1748, March 20. For they are extremely fond of fabricating: and whenever any subject of discourse is proposed, they think that they know it, and give their opinions one after another, one in one way, and another in another, altogether as if they knew; and if man then listens and believes, they press on, and deceive, and seduce in divers ways: for example, if they were permitted to tell about things to come, about things unknown in the universal heaven, about all things whatsoever that man desires, yet [they would tell] all the things falsely from themselves; wherefore let men beware lest they believe them. On this account the state of speaking with spirits on this earth is most perilous, unless one is in true faith. They induce so strong a persuasion that it is the Lord Himself who speaks and who commands, that man cannot but believe and obey.*

While Swenborg had a Christian lens, one could argue that many elites would have no problem with reference to the Lord. A Lord of Darkness.

I think you and Doug make a POWERFUL duo. And this might well assist your coming book no end, for ex. if he were an expert reader. And more interviews together, hint hint.

*Emanuel Swedenborg. Spiritual Diary . Kindle Edition.
 
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lonevoice

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I have long hypothesized that demonic forces promise their human cohorts much more than power. For example, freedom from the effects of nuclear radiation. Given what's been done by the PTB w/ NPPs ( planetary damage), this is a biggie. BTW I just wrote a scorching message to Gordon, who is pushing an author who is pro NPP. Insanity has hit Tasmania.
 
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Swedenborg is highly respected for his mystical and paranomal abilitites. In his Spiritual Diary he describes less than benevolent spirits as follows:

1622 THAT SPIRITS RELATE THINGS EXCEEDINGLY FICTITIOUS, AND LIE. When spirits begin to speak with man, he must beware lest he believe them in anything; for they say almost anything; things are fabricated by them, and they lie; for if they were permitted to relate what heaven is, and how things are in the heavens, they would tell so many lies, and indeed with solemn affirmation, that man would be astonished; wherefore, when spirits were speaking, I was not permitted to have faith in the things which they related. - 1748, March 20. For they are extremely fond of fabricating: and whenever any subject of discourse is proposed, they think that they know it, and give their opinions one after another, one in one way, and another in another, altogether as if they knew; and if man then listens and believes, they press on, and deceive, and seduce in divers ways: for example, if they were permitted to tell about things to come, about things unknown in the universal heaven, about all things whatsoever that man desires, yet [they would tell] all the things falsely from themselves; wherefore let men beware lest they believe them. On this account the state of speaking with spirits on this earth is most perilous, unless one is in true faith. They induce so strong a persuasion that it is the Lord Himself who speaks and who commands, that man cannot but believe and obey.*

While Swenborg had a Christian lens, one could argue that many elites would have no problem with reference to the Lord. A Lord of Darkness.

I think you and Doug make a POWERFUL duo. And this might well assist your coming book no end, for ex. if he were an expert reader. And more interviews together, hint hint.

*Emanuel Swedenborg. Spiritual Diary . Kindle Edition.
excellent. thx. it seems to me like there's a lot of as below so above stuff going on here... deception mixed with self-deception mixed with ego and fragmented / wounded ego states.

At the end of the day I wind up in a place similar to my position regarding hallucinogens / entheogens... why exactly do I need to go there when I already have all this "me stuff" that seems to be getting in my way?
 

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I have long hypothesized that demonic forces promise their human cohorts much more than power. For example, freedom from the effects of nuclear radiation. Given what's been done by the PTB w/ NPPs (with Fuki ensuring planetary metastasis), this is a biggie. BTW I just wrote a scorching message to Gordon, who is pushing an author who is pro NPP. Insanity has hit Tasmania.
I don't understand?
 
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lonevoice

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I don't understand?
The PTB policies regarding nuclear power have unleashed massive radiation. Yet the demons promise them it will not affect them. Am I still unclear--let me know please.
 
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The PTB policies regarding nuclear power have unleashed massive radiation. Yet the demons promise them it will not affect them. Am I still unclear--let me know please.

Fuki has a typo--it's Fuku. (Man it is hot.)
but this is the new, safe nuclear :)

insanity indeed.
 
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but this is the new, safe nuclear :)

insanity indeed.
Not necessarily!

It has always been assumed that the damage that radiation does to the human body is linearly proportional to the dose - double the dose and you get twice the numbers of cancers.

However, many chemicals are actually beneficial at low levels and harmful at higher ones. For example, there are studies showing that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotallers. There is some evidence that radiation works the same way:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

Since there are systems in the body that repair damaged DNA, this is not as implausible as it might seem - low doses might stimulate this mechanism, but higher doses overwhelm it.

There are also suggestions that this has been known for a long time, but covered up - possibly by big coal/oil that didn't want a better, safer fuel to take over.

I haven't yet listened to your discussion (which sounds as if it will be interesting) so I don't know if this info is helpful in that context.

David
 

Alex

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Not necessarily!

It has always been assumed that the damage that radiation does to the human body is linearly proportional to the dose - double the dose and you get twice the numbers of cancers.

However, many chemicals are actually beneficial at low levels and harmful at higher ones. For example, there are studies showing that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotallers. There is some evidence that radiation works the same way:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

Since there are systems in the body that repair damaged DNA, this is not as implausible as it might seem - low doses might stimulate this mechanism, but higher doses overwhelm it.

There are also suggestions that this has been known for a long time, but covered up - possibly by big coal/oil that didn't want a better, safer fuel to take over.

I haven't yet listened to your discussion (which sounds as if it will be interesting) so I don't know if this info is helpful in that context.

David
interesting... had not heard. I thought even low doses we dangerous.
 
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One inevitable problem with listening to some of your interviewers with other bloggers, is that they cover the same ground repeatedly. Maybe if you interviewed Doug, for example, you might reveal something novel.

David
 
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but this is the new, safe nuclear :)

insanity indeed.
Not necessarily!

It has always been assumed that the damage that radiation does to the human body is linearly proportional to the dose - double the dose and you get twice the numbers of cancers.

However, many chemicals are actually beneficial at low levels and harmful at higher ones. For example, there are studies showing that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotallers. There is some evidence that radiation works the same way:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

Since there are systems in the body that repair damaged DNA, this is not as implausible as it might seem - low doses might stimulate this mechanism, but higher doses overwhelm it.

There are also suggestions that this has been known for a long time, but covered up - possibly by big coal/oil that didn't want a better, safer fuel to take over.

I haven't yet listened to your discussion (which sounds as if it will be interesting) so I don't know if this info is helpful in that context.

David
 
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