The SJW and equality movement

How about the effect of different intelligence levels? Or physical strength? Or creativity?

There is no such thing as equity. People are individuals. The only way to artificially create equity is to hold some people back. That creates a lot of problems and doesn't solve anything.
I still think you’re confusing equity with equality.
 
You, and others, are using ‘marxism’ to describe any scrutiny, or questioning, of the prevailing capitalist model. Unfettered capitalism tends to be checked and corrected every so often but I would advise you to relax - it won’t disappear. I live in a country with a strong socialist government, yet we still play the game.
You aren't questioning capitalism, you are asking for a system of Marxism to replace it.

Just be honest about what you are advocating.

I live in a country that is far more left leaning than the US, and I see what's happening here as a cautionary tale, not something to be taken as a good example. I've lived in the US and I envy their freedoms now that those same freedoms have been eroded so badly elsewhere in the world.
 
I still think you’re confusing equity with equality.
Equity means distributing resources based on the needs of the recipients. Sounds good, but doesn't work in practice. It discourages hard work and takes away any incentive to do better at something and really excel.

Equity means equality of outcome, which is Marxism.

Equality of opportunity is the American Dream. It gives everyone a chance to do well and even a chance to excel. It doesn't hold people back.
 
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/202...ite-fragility-robin-diangelo-ibram-kendi.html

When Anti-racism training turns out to be racist.

DiAngelo’s whites-only groups are not dreamed up in the same spirit as David Duke’s. The problem is that, at some point, the extremes begin to functionally resemble each other despite their mutual antipathy.

I want to make clear that when I compare the industry’s conscious racialism to the far right, I am not accusing it of “reverse racism” or bias against white people. In some cases its ideas literally replicate anti-Black racism.
 
You, and others, are using ‘marxism’ to describe any scrutiny, or questioning, of the prevailing capitalist model.
Imho the terms "marxist," "socialist," and "leftist" are thrown around as scare tactics in the US and are a holdover from the Cold War era. You can be pro-community and pro-equity and even incorporate aspects of 21st century socialism and still be lightyears away from Cold War era marxism/socialism. There's more complexity to it (again, imho) than a lot of people who cry "Marxist!!!" acknowledge.

This article does a fairly decent job at addressing some of the nuances -- I don't agree with all of it but it's a worthwhile read. https://fee.org/articles/is-black-lives-matter-marxist-no-and-yes/
 
Imho the terms "marxist," "socialist," and "leftist" are thrown around as scare tactics in the US and are a holdover from the Cold War era. You can be pro-community and pro-equity and even incorporate aspects of 21st century socialism and still be lightyears away from Cold War era marxism/socialism. There's more complexity to it (again, imho) than a lot of people who cry "Marxist!!!" acknowledge.

This article does a fairly decent job at addressing some of the nuances -- I don't agree with all of it but it's a worthwhile read. https://fee.org/articles/is-black-lives-matter-marxist-no-and-yes/
If you look at history, calling it Marxist is not an overreaction. This is how it starts.

Do black lives matter? Of course, because all lives matter. No one has said lives don't matter. But it should be OK to say that all lives matter.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ng-lives-matter-national-media-fully-ignores/

A 24-year-old mother was killed by a Black Lives Matter mob in Indianapolis last week, allegedly for saying “All Lives Matter.”

Unlike Charlottesville, or any violence from the right, this killing was reported so quietly that barely anyone even noticed.
 
For those who say it's not Marxism. This is how it starts. Yuri warned us. Western society is being brainwashed to accept Marxist ideology.

 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-life-says-comedian-john-cleese-idUSKCN24M2QV

John Cleese does not have much time for political correctness or cancel culture, and as for the state of the world? It’s completely hopeless, the former “Monty Python” star says.
Cancel culture “misunderstands the main purposes of life which is to have fun,” Cleese told Reuters, referring to the trend in which people are ostracized because of behavior or remarks seen as objectionable.
The problem with political correctness, he added, is that comedians “have to set the bar according to what we are told by the most touchy, most emotionally unstable and fragile and least stoic people in the country.”
 
Imho the terms "marxist," "socialist," and "leftist" are thrown around as scare tactics in the US and are a holdover from the Cold War era. You can be pro-community and pro-equity and even incorporate aspects of 21st century socialism and still be lightyears away from Cold War era marxism/socialism. There's more complexity to it (again, imho) than a lot of people who cry "Marxist!!!" acknowledge.

This article does a fairly decent job at addressing some of the nuances -- I don't agree with all of it but it's a worthwhile read. https://fee.org/articles/is-black-lives-matter-marxist-no-and-yes/
Appreciate the article and found it interesting.

The following is the rather obvious nuance to this thing that K9 steadfastly either refuses to acknowledge out of fear or is not actually understanding (I doubt this):

These kinds of conservative criticisms of Black Lives Matter are widespread. And on one hand, they’re right: The official Black Lives Matter organization is Marxist, is anti-American in its values, and its views are rightfully alarming to anyone who believes in the Constitution, capitalism, and civil society as we know it. But in applying their reflexive response to all Black Lives Matter supporters, conservative critics are failing to see the forest for the trees.

A whopping 51 percent of the public tells pollsters they support “black lives matter.” Most of these people, I suspect, don’t even know that there is an official Black Lives Matter organization. And I’m sure hardly any of them could name Patrisse Cullors or Alicia Garza.
Now the reactionary response for a fearful, propaganda-oriented conservative position is to double down here. That this misunderstanding by some large part of the 51 percent is dangerous, that BLM (the all caps version as the article distinguishes) will be further empowered to wreck our form of government and replace it with a Marxist state. And because of this we have to keep denying that there are any racially-based issues worthy of public policy reform.

I think this is extreme and without merit. BLM (again the organization and not the "movement") will suicide itself if it tries to push the Marxist remake. The huge portion of the 51% who support blm (the movement not the organization) will abandon ship if Cullors and Garza pursue the Marxist objectives. I still trust that the overwhelming majority of Americans are pro freedom, pro democracy, and pro-capitalism. On the last point, they just want to know the system isn't rigged for or against anyone. (i.e., equality of opportunity and NOT equality of outcome).

My two cents.
 
On a positive note, at least kids won't have to pay so much for universities that don't teach them marketable skills.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephe...hy-college-is-never-coming-back/#3d7a316124b7

Here’s some great news: one of America’s most broken industries is finally being exposed as a sham. And make no mistake, the end of college as we know it is a great thing.


It’s great for families, who’ll save money and take on less debt putting kids through school. It’s great for kids, who’ll no longer be lured into the socialist indoctrination centers that many American campuses have become. And as I’ll show you, it’s great for investors, who stand to make a killing on the companies that’ll disrupt college for good.
 
Appreciate the article and found it interesting.

The following is the rather obvious nuance to this thing that K9 steadfastly either refuses to acknowledge out of fear or is not actually understanding (I doubt this):



Now the reactionary response for a fearful, propaganda-oriented conservative position is to double down here. That this misunderstanding by some large part of the 51 percent is dangerous, that BLM (the all caps version as the article distinguishes) will be further empowered to wreck our form of government and replace it with a Marxist state. And because of this we have to keep denying that there are any racially-based issues worthy of public policy reform.

I think this is extreme and without merit. BLM (again the organization and not the "movement") will suicide itself if it tries to push the Marxist remake. The huge portion of the 51% who support blm (the movement not the organization) will abandon ship if Cullors and Garza pursue the Marxist objectives. I still trust that the overwhelming majority of Americans are pro freedom, pro democracy, and pro-capitalism. On the last point, they just want to know the system isn't rigged for or against anyone. (i.e., equality of opportunity and NOT equality of outcome).

My two cents.
So what you are admitting is that BLM supporters are being duped by a Marxist organization that doesn't reflect their values.

The reason I speak up about the Marxism behind BLM is because I don't want people being duped by a Marxist organization.

It should be OK to criticize any organization, but the far left is silencing the conversation. People have been encouraged to follow without asking important questions. That's not a good thing.
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cong...ook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Congressman Introduces Bill That Would Have Democrat Party Change Name Or ‘Be Barred From Participation In The House’ Due To Past Support Of Slavery, Confederacy

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) introduced a bill Thursday on the floor of the House of Representatives that would ban the Democratic Party due to the party’s history of having supported slavery and the Confederacy, saying “that is the standard to which they are holding everyone else, so the name change needs to occur.”

“Whereas on June 18, 2020, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ordered the removal from the capital portraits of four previous speakers of the House who served in the Confederacy, saying that these portraits ‘set back our nation’s work to confront and combat bigotry,'” Gohmert said. “The men depicted in the portraits were Democrat Robert M.T. Hunter, Democrat Howell Cobb, Democrat James L. Orr, and Democrat Charles F. Crisp.”

“Resolved that the speaker of the House of Representatives shall remove any item that named symbolizes or mentions any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy from any area within the House wing of the Capitol or any House office building and shall donate such item or symbol to the Library of Congress, and two, that any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery of the Confederacy shall either change its name or be barred from participation in the House of Representatives,” Gohmert concluded. “With that, I would yield back.”
 
Do black lives matter? Of course, because all lives matter. No one has said lives don't matter. But it should be OK to say that all lives matter.
All lives do matter. But "All lives matter!" as a statement -- AND especially as something you shout at a rally or protest -- is a very different message compared to saying: "Yes, Black lives DO matter as much as any other life." Same idea but the language makes a huge difference.
 
All lives do matter. But "All lives matter!" as a statement -- AND especially as something you shout at a rally or protest -- is a very different message compared to saying: "Yes, Black lives DO matter as much as any other life." Same idea but the language makes a huge difference.
This is all part of the Marxist process of demoralization. The Marxists change the meaning of language so that even the most innocent and life affirming statements are now somehow bad.

All lives matter is not an evil thing to say. No one should be shot in the back of the head for saying it, and yet that what is happening. And people like you are trying to justify it. It isn't a justifiable action.

BTW, did you choose "Shusha" as a name knowing it was the site of horrific massacre.
 
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So what you are admitting is that BLM supporters are being duped by a Marxist organization that doesn't reflect their values.

The reason I speak up about the Marxism behind BLM is because I don't want people being duped by a Marxist organization.

It should be OK to criticize any organization, but the far left is silencing the conversation. People have been encouraged to follow without asking important questions. That's not a good thing.
People are not being "duped" because the vast majority identify with the slogan ("Black lives matter") and not the organization. If/when said organization attempts to push through actual change mechanics towards a Marxist ideology I predict their support will evaporate to the fringes of society; where they've always resided in the U.S.

You aren't giving our citizenry its due credit. I believe its an overwhelmingly small percentage of the populace that identified with Marxism.
 
All lives do matter. But "All lives matter!" as a statement -- AND especially as something you shout at a rally or protest -- is a very different message compared to saying: "Yes, Black lives DO matter as much as any other life." Same idea but the language makes a huge difference.
It baffles me that folks can't see this. Its basic logic:

"Black lives matter" does not say anything about non-Blacks. If the slogan were "Black lives matter more" or "Only black lives matter" then it would be saying something quite different. Its simply a statement being made by a group that feels marginalized on this point.
 
People are not being "duped" because the vast majority identify with the slogan ("Black lives matter") and not the organization. If/when said organization attempts to push through actual change mechanics towards a Marxist ideology I predict their support will evaporate to the fringes of society; where they've always resided in the U.S.

You aren't giving our citizenry its due credit. I believe its an overwhelmingly small percentage of the populace that identified with Marxism.
They have been duped into giving large sums of cash to this Marxist organization. That's pretty stupid if you don't agree with Marxist.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/blm-is-a-money-laundering-operation-for-the-dnc/
 
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