There is no evil...?

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  1. Selina

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    “Quite simply, a belief in the good without a belief in the evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you. This belief, however, is the best kind of insurance that you can have, both during physical life and afterward.

    “It may outrage your intellect, and the evidence of your physical senses may shout that it is untrue, yet a belief in good without a belief in evil is actually highly realistic, since in physical life it will keep your body healthier, keep you psychologically free of many fears and mental difficulties, and bring you a feeling of ease and spontaneity in which the development of your abilities can be better fulfilled.

    “After death it will release you from the belief in demons and hell, and enforced punishment. You will be better prepared to understand the nature of reality as it is. …

    "Believing in evils, you will of course perceive them.”
    -Seth/Jane Roberts
    Seth Speaks, Session 546

    Jane Roberts was a psychic medium who wrote theories on consciousness and "channeled" a personality essence no longer focused in physical reality ("Seth's" description) for two decades. I'm always skeptical of this type of material but the ideas presented are very fascinating and make a lot of sense.

    And I DO agree with this statement. I don't think for good to exist evil must also exist, or that you have to have bad to appreciate good. When you apply this philosophy to your life your world does open up incredibly.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Livets Bog vol. 1, s. 28
    http://www.martinus.dk/en/ttt/index.php

    When starting out, a student of Buddhism usually considers the purpose of the training to be to provide an end to the suffering caused by life's difficulties. But when he reaches a more advanced stage he considers that the purpose of life's difficulties are to help him advance in the training.

    http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/p/occasionally-i-post-something-to.html#misc_zen_practice
     
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    I have said elsewhere on the forum that I now feel everything is gods making, the universe as we see it and probably much beyond. If everything is consciousness then there's no limit.

    Everything appears to be ultimately in balance, good/evil , black/white , the rise and fall of the tides, night/ day, birth/death and so on. The void, the vast 'space' that is often found in NDEs, is maybe gods being without form. When god changes into form then these Ying/Yang type things exist.

    So to sum up my thoughts on the subject of good/evil. Everything is part of God, evil too, while in form. If earth is a kindergarten for humans to learn, we really couldn't learn about love if our egos didn't bring spice to the table.

    Is there more than one god? Possibly, who knows. I really love this by fellow forum member manjit :

    " And I can't help but feel that the universe, reality, consciousness, being, divinity or whatever.......is just so much fucking more mysterious, awe-some, magical, astonishing, incomprehensible, mind-shattering than anything humankind has conceived of."

    This sums it up nicely! :)
     
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  4. I don't really get it? I mean is Evil a supernatural force? No, I doubt that but I also don't think Good is a kind of force either.

    I do think there are good and evil actions though, and these could have effects on the spiritual level assuming there is such a thing.

    I also doubt there's a plan to all the suffering in this world - things seem too capricious for that - though certain misfortunes may be planned for particular souls.
     
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    You philistine! ;)
     
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  6. My lawyers made me add that part. ;-)
     
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    Perfect timing. A post by Francis Bennett on Facebook.

    YOU ARE A PARADOX OF EMPTINESS AND FORM DANCING TOGETHER.

    The ironic and paradoxical truth is that you are far beyond and transcend the phenomenal world of form, and yet, you're also a part of it all.

    You are emptiness taking on form.

    You transcend the body and yet, you are also a body.

    You are not LIMITED to a body, mind, roles, functions, relationships AND YET, all these are INCLUDED in who and what you are.

    A "paradox" is when two seemingly opposite truths are somehow held TOGETHER at the same time. You are a walking, living, breathing, paradox, and so am I.

    In order to be who you truly are in all its wholeness, both sides of the truth about who you are have to be held onto loosely. You are emptiness but you are also form.

    "Form is none other than emptiness and emptiness is none other than form.." And THAT is who you are! The form and the emptiness of who you are are not mutually exclusive. They are dancing together.
     
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    We are all helplessly connected to science through quantitative measurements. These objective measurements have evolved through the careful choices defining abstractions called "units of measure". Good and goodness are not a derivative of mass and acceleration. Good is qualitative state and that has a propensity for negentropic activity toward a target state in the mind of an agent(s). I remain hopeful that in terms of Bayesian probability calculus "Good" can be quantified with greater objective understanding as science evolves.

    I suggest with this methodology of seeing probabilistic states of decreased entropy at the level of an individual (health), of a group (team work) and of a culture (productive civilization); one can find an secularized equivalent to a "spiritual level". A informational target state can represent the processes and their capabilities to achieve good and fertile environments for health, co-operation and civil success. Actual activity and occasions can be related and computed, as to their capability in achieving these target states, such as peace and charity. I would point to abstractions such as CpK, Cp, Pp and PkP as examples.

    Certain behaviors, such as gaining a peaceful state at the level of an individual thru meditation are proved; but generally proved with undefined process capability (Cp). There are other behaviors that are more productive in a process sense, which lead to team work. The target state of "peace among nations" presents another set of problems to be solved, as a gain in the quality of the end-product civilization of our times.
     
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    I think that what "Seth" is saying is that there is no supernatural force of evil or demons or hell. Yes people do awful, mean, cruel, horrible things, but they do it out ignorance and fear or hate. These actions are wrong and they should stop doing them, but there's no force of evil or Devil making them do it. They do it of there own free will.

    Why some people do bad things:

    "Very few people start out trying to be as bad as possible. At least SOME (underlined) criminals feel that in stealing they are simply righting society’s wrongs. I am not saying that is their only motive, but in one way or another they manage to justify their activities by seeing them in their own version of the good and the right.

    "You must realize that fanatics always deal with GRANDIOSE ideals, while at the same time they believe in man’s sinful nature, and the individual’s... lack of power. They cannot trust the expression of the self, for they are convinced of its duplicity. Their ideals then seem even more remote. Fanatics call others to social action. Since they do not believe that the individual is ever effective, their groups are not assemblies of private individuals come reasonably together, pooling individual resources. They are instead congregations of people who are afraid to assert their individuality, who hope to find it in the group, or hope to establish a joint individuality — and that is an impossibility (emphatically).

    "True individuals can do much through social action, and the species is a social one, but people who are afraid of their individuality will never find it in a group, but only a caricature of their own powerlessness."

    Seth Session 852 The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
     
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    See, I don't buy this "emptiness" theory. I don't think it's more enlightened to believe we are empty and we must destroy your individuality and self and eqo. They all exist and are as real as anything. I don't think the world of "form" is lesser and degraded, it all comes from the same source of consciousness, of creativity.
     
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    I don't get what you mean by 'more enlightened'. Also don't see where you get that form is lesser and degraded, I don't see it as such. Do you believe in reincarnation ?
     
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    Hmm... a land with only good... and no evil.... I saw an interesting depiction of that in one of my favorite movies:



    Edit: note this is not to demean or make fun of this topic as I think it is a great question and a discussion worth having... I just think sometimes a simple little drama says a lot. :)
     
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    What about all the truely cruel people, who murder and torture out of lust and fun? What about all the psycho- and sociopaths, who do "evil" things, because their brains (or beyond) miss certain functionalities like feeling empathy? Does Seth say anything about them? We, who mostly have never experienced those things, often tend to forget how unbelievable cruel and terrible life can be. These so called mediums often seem to forget where we are living...doesn't make them too credible if you ask me.
     
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    It was specifically a belief in Evil, Hell, Demons etc that I was talking about. Yes, fear of hell and Armageddon and Satan has done absolute wonders for human mental health. Where would we be without that terrorism? Probably light years ahead - but, that's too boring?
     
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    The problem with this type of purported mediumship is that it seems to lack evidential content. It's therefore difficult to know what to make of it. As far as I can see, one can take it or leave it.
     
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  16. Lego Movie is really one of best films about reality in....ever maybe....
     
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    I don't really believe in evil... I just call things evil that strike me as evil. It is just a descriptor to me.

    Hell is also just a description for hellish afterlife places... which people seem to experience. So I'd say I believe in it on the basis of those experiences. I don't believe all descriptions of hell are valid... just that there seems to be something like it.

    Demons I believe in because of other peoples reported experiences with them.

    Armageddon? Well there are periods of cataclysm that strike every now and then, so I guess I believe in that too.

    Satan? I don't know what he or it is, but it is a mystery I'm trying to figure out. There is a devilish archetype that seems to play a role in this reality, so I guess I believe in Satan too!

    But I don't feel any fear about any of these things. I do feel that above it and beyond it all, things work themselves out in a more or less pleasant way... happy endings.

    I agree that telling people they will go to hell and endlessly be ripped apart by demons unless the believe a certain way is kind of a form of terrorism.
     
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    I agree... some people said it was just the Matrix recast in Legos, but I think it was actually deeper than even the Matrix... and funnier! :)
     
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    A fair comment. Though evidential content is not the only measure. We have great novels which may carry a meaningful message, without the need for any of it to be literally true.
     
  20. I think this one of the crucial questions for me. I do think some these entities - depending on which ones exist - could be terrifying, but I see them more akin to terrorists, sadists, etc in this world.

    But because of this sense I get that any spirit world which might exist - save perhaps for some kind of genuine Heaven like the ones in some NDEs - is also influenced by limits & boundaries just like this world...well it makes it hard to see a definitive resolution toward something wholly Good.

    I can't help but suspect that the wheel just turns & turns.
     
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