Transgender phenomena and past lives: any thoughts

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  1. Red

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    I think if you give others the benefit of the doubt when you reply, they tend to do the same for you.

    For example, I thought that JD's post unfortunately hit upon some archaic and scientifically unproven gender sterotpyes, but it was clear from the rest of his post that he is not a bigot, or even being disagreeable. Pointing out the weaknesses in people's arguments in a way that might be perceived as personal criticism makes people defensive.

    I think you make many insightful observations and comments. It would be a shame if you decided not to participate entirely on this topic.
     
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  2. Doppelgänger

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    Well, I am open to PMs that critique my presentation. Was it the CAPS? That's just me being old-school. I should probably use bold as emphasis instead.

    Apologies to those who thought I was shouting!
     
  3. Typoz

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    The use of exclamation marks can be considered shouting too!!!!
    Just kidding ;)
     
  4. Doppelgänger

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    JD's initial post indulged in completely regressive thinking. And I never called him a bigot, or any other name - he implied that I was a bigot in his response and basically said I was "full of hate." And he was pretty disagreeable about it! But that's okay, he doesn't have to like me.

    I appreciate that you think I have made insightful comments and observations, but isn't pointing out weaknesses in people's arguments kind of the point on these forums? We have pages and pages of that on psi research. I didn't attack his personal life or experience, though I can see how he may have felt that way, and I did apologize in my response to his second post because I did think I made some assumptions at one point. Also, he started to sound a bit like MRA/redpiller, so I probably was not as kind as I should have been.

    But it's really exhausting to argue about whether biological sex exists, with all of its consequences.

    I am also offending a lot of people whom I don't want to offend. I am open to getting PMs if people have questions. Not sure I want to discuss this on the forum anymore.
     
  5. Obiwan

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    No it was the tone.
     
  6. Doppelgänger

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    Okay, I get it. You don’t like my “presentation,” my “tone,” or how I “look and sound.”

    Like I said, you can critique what I have said. I was not being snarky when I said the CAPS looked like I was shouting, and I should stop using them for emphasis.
     
  7. Doppelgänger

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    BTW, this petition was started by a gay man. Sadly, the forum he ran to start a conversation is now offline.

    I do feel it is a conversation to be had, but it is now taboo.

    https://www.change.org/p/human-righ...e-out-magazine-huffpost-gay-voices-drop-the-t

     
  8. Typoz

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    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here, but it's clear that tone does make a difference. Personally a few seconds of listening to an evangelical preacher is enough to turn me right off. But someone like Rupert Sheldrake might say in effect the same thing and I find myself wanting to hear more. Sometimes it's just a matter of personality differences of course, but perhaps where things become irritating is where it seems to come across not simply as "this is my view" but rather "this is the way things are". At one time I used to precede almost everything I said with "In my opinion", and I don't do it so much nowadays, but that did seem to be a good place to be - though it made things stand out even more when other people didn't do the same.
     
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  9. Doppelgänger

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    Yes, no one likes my "tone" -- I sound too "uppity," I guess -- but addressing my arguments would be nice.Though I don't really like the comparison to an evangelical preacher.

    Over and out.
     
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  10. Obiwan

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    Ok. I'm going to leave you to it. Save for one final comment: your tone will determine whether some people are inclined to engage with your argument. I'm not going to decompose your comments and point out where you might have phrased things differently to avoid irritating people and so have got more of the dialogue you want. Perhaps a friend will do it for you.
     
  11. Doppelgänger

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    So, no critique of my arguments or even examples of what exactly is wrong with my "tone." I don't think I am very different from most on here about expressing thoughts and ideas. Certainly I am not worse then FDRS/Sexy. I mean, people are more respectful to posters on the Donald Trump thread, and that is pretty heated. Can you at least tell me where my tone was wrong in expressing my thoughts?

    The "friend will do it for you" sounds a bit condescending, though. Do you tell others here on the forum to do that when there is a contentious debate? Should I reconsider how I post on other topics on this forum because of this problem I have?

    I retract my statement to Sciborg about enjoying these forums for free debate a few posts back.

    I get that I said something on this thread that upset you, and it's very obvious you don't like my ideas and opinions and statements. But, I would never tell you to have a "friend" look over your reaction and posts.

    Yes, I am being kind of snarky in this post, but your reaction to me and my posts really baffles me.
     
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  12. Obiwan

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    I've had enough. I'm not spending any more time on this. Do whatever you like.
     
  13. Doppelgänger

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    Okay, then. No hard feelings, I hope.
     
  14. Obiwan

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    None whatsoever.
     
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    I'm not sure any more. I thought I was an innocent bystander. But I get the feeling now that I may be standing idly around whistling, staring in another direction, while nonchalantly pouring fuel on the flames. Sorry, about that.
     
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  16. It's a hard issue to discuss, probably one of the most controversial issues around because many of us are bringing the life experience of ourselves into it - gender/sex is something we all have after all. And it seems many of us know loved ones who might be affected one way or another.

    To the board's credit, this is probably the only place I might dare to discuss such things.
     
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    I think the cult angle is actually much more useful in the transgender case. There seem to be a lot of similarities between the mind control of a cult and the kind of thinking that evolves within the trans community. Especially in the way that they surround themselves with other trans folks. They hire trans furniture movers, go to trans therapists, etc. Live with trans roommates.
     
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  19. Doppelgänger

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    Sorry, could you expand on that? (If you feel like it...)

    Yes, I am editing this comment to say I do think trans ideology indulges in group-think, but I think this extends beyond trans ideology -- it extends to the modern "left" in general. I think post-modernism has infected the left, and it is a huge problem, as I think "pomo" deliberately keeps us from naming our oppressors and who is doing what to whom. It is trying to take the language away from us to describe who is oppressing us, whether it is banks, corporations, the State.. and has us in a tizzy about stupid stuff like, "What is a woman?" A woman is an adult human female, in this material reality -- but let's argue about that endlessly about what a woman is, while meanwhile, there is this other stuff happening over here -------->

    I despise the new left and its "intersectionality" and "inclusion." It's actually thought-terminating and nasty.

    There. I said it. Hate on me! :)
     
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  20. Far.From.Here

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    There is a strong compulsion in the trans community that when you need a service you seek out someone first who is trans to provide that service. I don't really have an issue with that. Lots of communities do that for sure. I'm still thinking about all this. But the trans/queer community is one that is very strong on having specific thoughts and feelings about a lot of issues. I think when people "isolate" themselves, even if the isolation isn't complete and that when interactions among members are "self-confirming" and "molding" to certain attitudes, that this can lead to a kind of "cult think" among members. I could be off base on this.

    I think it comes down partly to homogeneousness of "thought." I think that, say black people seeking out black service providers are going to find a diversity of opinion about core issues that may not be so prevalent in the queer/transgender community.
     

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