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Poke the tiger 300 times, then set a child in its path.

This is a notorious tactic of propaganda. I doubt that this woman had all of her faculties - someone put her up to this. That someone is the true oppressor here. And they hide... knowing that 30% of the population will fall for this ruse - and the hate will rise.

This is not complicated.

Other than this: Why was she wearing a men's Arabian Gulf ghuthrain as her headscarf and not the traditional Palestinian keffiyeh, and why a men's headpiece at all?
 
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Poke the tiger 300 times, then set a child in its path.

This is a notorious tactic of propaganda. I doubt that this woman had all of her faculties - someone put her up to this. That someone is the true oppressor here. And they hide... knowing that 30% of the population will fall for this ruse - and the hate will rise.

This is not complicated.

Other than this: Why was she wearing a men's Arabian Gulf ghuthrain as her headscarf and not the traditional Palestinian keffiyeh, and why a men's headpiece at all?
Yes.

Which gets us back to Trump. I like how Trump is not a racist. He seeks a great country where all people who are citizens enjoy enhanced prosperity and safety and community. I think MLK was a great America and I like his dream. I want to see it happen.

Whereas the Democrats, much like the Palestinians who put the poor - most likely mentally handicapped - woman up to a fatal mission, keep minorities down by spreading ceaseless propaganda about how white people control everything and hate minorities. This keeps minorities in a perpetual cycle of perceived victimhood, paranoia and failure.

That, even though we've had a popular black President, military Generals, Attorney Generals, doctors....you name it....proving that white America is most accepting of minorities that are dedicated to the country and who have good values and who are achievers. At that level, the country is becoming color blind. But the democrats keep pushing a hate filled counter story. The self-proclaimed saviors are really the oppressors. People like that need to make people into infantilized victims to sell their savior/moral superiority schtick. That's what I was saying about Steve too.
 
Eric, Ethical Skeptic... you remind me of the hardcore Stalinists of Russia.

When in need to explain how they justify Stalin's innumerable atrocities, they usually have 3 answers:

1) "It was not us who did it, it is all an enemy's slander!" (usually claimed by Stalinists about the Katyn Massacre);

2) "They were themselves guilty, and all of them were allies / agents of Fascists!" (agressive wars against Poland, Baltic States and Finland, and occupations of the former two; mass repressions and concentration camp-building, etc.);

3) "OK, it went a bit too far, but who is perfect? And history is a blood-stained bitch anyway".

Do these replies sound familiar?
 
Eric, Ethical Skeptic... you remind me of the hardcore Stalinists of Russia.

When in need to explain how they justify Stalin's innumerable atrocities, they usually have 3 answers:

1) "It was not us who did it, it is all an enemy's slander!" (usually claimed by Stalinists about the Katyn Massacre);

2) "They were themselves guilty, and all of them were allies / agents of Fascists!" (agressive wars against Poland, Baltic States and Finland, and occupations of the former two; mass repressions and concentration camp-building, etc.);

3) "OK, it went a bit too far, but who is perfect? And history is a blood-stained bitch anyway".

Do these replies sound familiar?
Yes. It sounds familiar. It sounds like how the Palestinians and other Islamic terrorists justify killing people.

That and inshallah

It also sounds like how you and Steve justify terrorist bombings, etc
 
Eric, for someone who’s ideas you can’t take seriously, “not even a little”, you appear to be obsessed with me!
You are a good example of the corrosive "thinking" that is damaging Western Civ these days. For that reason you interest me. Due to your presence on this forum, I am capable of examining how your mind works and, thus, may be able to extrapolate to the larger cohort.
 
Eric, Ethical Skeptic... you remind me of the hardcore Stalinists of Russia.

Do these replies sound familiar?
No, because I have never used such an argument. I am a moderate, so please do not place me into a Left-Pole Syndrome box. Most checkpoints I go through (and I go through a lot of them), have 'Warning: deadly force is authorized." and "Please do not make jokes." signs, so that people know that they are serious places.

My comments pertained to just this video - how you extrapolated that into Stalinism... ??? What am I next, The Devil too?? This has nothing at all to do with Stalinism, nor me, nor is there an equivalency in argument entailed.
 
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I suppose it’s possible that the poor woman who was shot could have been a bit backward, and has been sacrificed by Hamas. It’s possible that propaganda was involved and this is an example. It’s possible.

It’s also possible that she’s committing suicide in desperation, after losing her home to Israeli’s, often from countries nowhere near the Middle East, or maybe she’s lost a child, or two, or a whole family? Maybe she’s just lost all hope? She should just man-up and put her best foot forward, according to Eric. After all, she’s not a victim, and my type are nothing but vampires, a drain on her potential, encouraging the loss of Palestinian dignity.

Maybe we should put this one down as a ‘not sure’?

So how many of the thousands of Palestinians shot and wounded, or the hundreds shot and killed by the IDF, in a short time, should we put down as not sures? Maybe it’s all overblown, exaggerated, pro Palestinian/Hamas media hype?

Yeah, that sounds possible.

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I suppose it’s possible that the poor woman who was shot could have been a bit backward, and has been sacrificed by Hamas. It’s possible that propaganda was involved and this is an example. It’s possible.
Right - now I am pleased that you say that! Now ask yourself why Hamas would tell (let's be honest coerce) people to go to the border unarmed and try to pull it down? What is their intention? is it:

a) To make martyrs of its unarmed civilians?

b) Use the cover to try to get military killers through into Israel?

c) Something else - please specify!

The tragedy is that if the West and our various NGO's didn't fall for this sort of vicious nonsense, Hamas would drop the tactic, and a lot of lives would probably be saved.

David
 
Eric, Ethical Skeptic... you remind me of the hardcore Stalinists of Russia.

When in need to explain how they justify Stalin's innumerable atrocities, they usually have 3 answers:

1) "It was not us who did it, it is all an enemy's slander!" (usually claimed by Stalinists about the Katyn Massacre);

2) "They were themselves guilty, and all of them were allies / agents of Fascists!" (agressive wars against Poland, Baltic States and Finland, and occupations of the former two; mass repressions and concentration camp-building, etc.);

3) "OK, it went a bit too far, but who is perfect? And history is a blood-stained bitch anyway".

Do these replies sound familiar?
Vortex,

Please remember to use the quoting mechanism - I'd have liked to click the backlink to find out which TES comment reminded you of that!

David
 
I suppose it’s possible that the poor woman who was shot could have been a bit backward, and has been sacrificed by Hamas. It’s possible that propaganda was involved and this is an example. It’s possible.
Good. Now you're taking the first step toward objective analysis - even if you're largely being sarcastic about it.

It’s also possible that she’s committing suicide in desperation, after losing her home to Israeli’s, often from countries nowhere near the Middle East, or maybe she’s lost a child, or two, or a whole family? Maybe she’s just lost all hope?.
Yes. That is possible too. However, suicide is never the answer. We know that from all of the evidence we gather here. We also have reason to believe that people come into this realm to experience and overcome various challenges. Losing a home is not pleasant, but it isn't the end of life. Homes can be rebuilt. Life is full of tragedies, large and small, and most people experience one sooner or later. You had a stroke. Did you just kill yourself when faced with those resulting challenges? The latest Skeptiko interview was with a medium who made a very good statement about spirituality, IMO. Spiritual growth and ascendance is all about taking the current situation and making it better. The woman, if effected by the circumstances that you suggest, could have started a community garden for food. She could have helped clean up neighborhoods, educate and care for children; perhaps displaced children. So much opportunity. You are still making excuses for the inexcusable.

She should just man-up and put her best foot forward, according to Eric. After all, she’s not a victim, and my type are nothing but vampires, a drain on her potential, encouraging the loss of Palestinian dignity
See my answer to the previous quote. And yes, that is what you are doing.

So how many of the thousands of Palestinians shot and wounded, or the hundreds shot and killed by the IDF, in a short time, should we put down as not sures? Maybe it’s all overblown, exaggerated, pro Palestinian/Hamas media hype?
You refuse to address all of the Israelis killed by suicide bombers and other forms of attack. That and the fact that if the Israelis were not militarily superior, then your balance sheet would be tilted very far in the other direction (meaning there'd be many more dead Israelis. It's like you are incapable of processing that (due to cognitive dissonance? Something else perhaps?).

The Israelis are not just out there shooting down Palestinians for sport. The Palestinians must be doing something that they know - or should know - comes with the risk of being shot - like trying to tear down a border fence, or digging tunnels into Israel, or firing rockets and mortars into Israel. All of that also seems to be something that you are unable (or willing) to process. The Palestinians make national heroes out of terrorists that kill Israelis. Does that comport with your spiritual values?

Once again, I am of Armenian descent. My paternal grandparents, who lived with us and who I talked to all the time, barely survived a true genocide. Their homes were lost for ever and family were killed. This was typical of the Armenians in the greater Detroit area community. They got on with life and became successful. No one was advocating terrorist actions against Turkey and their accomplices, the Kurds and Arabs. No one advocated trying to tear down the Turkish border walls. No one advocated attempting to regain lost homes and land.

You act as if the Palestinians are somehow unique in their raw deal. They aren't at all. They are uniquely stubborn and stupid in their refusal to move on.



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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/342532/
Trump’s position on Iran at the moment seems to be that the value of the sword of Damocles is that it hangs, not that it falls. Oh, and also that Iran’s latest action is hurting the Chinese a lot more than it’s hurting us.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/342502/
the U.S. Navy used to have to keep the straits of Hormuz open. Now it only has to be able to close them.
Jim,
I think the US Navy doesn't want to fight in shallow straits. I think they are worried about Iranian torpedo boats and having lead time on incoming missiles.

But, yes, Trump is playing this one very cool and avoiding pressure to go to war. He isn't acting insane at all; which is contrary to the image of him promoted by all of the liberal globalist media.
 
Jim,
I think the US Navy doesn't want to fight in shallow straits. I think they are worried about Iranian torpedo boats and having lead time on incoming missiles.

But, yes, Trump is playing this one very cool and avoiding pressure to go to war. He isn't acting insane at all; which is contrary to the image of him promoted by all of the liberal globalist media.
I don't think Trump is holding back because of concerns of the Navy. Their concerns could be met using appropriate tactics.

The US national interest is not at stake since we are energy independent due to fracking. Trump is not going to blindly accept the role of "world's policeman" just "because" when there is no US national interest at stake. He would be right to let those countries who are dependent on Mideast oil fight their own battles. We can support genuine allies (not frenemies), but should not fight their battles for them.
 
Jim,
I think the US Navy doesn't want to fight in shallow straits. I think they are worried about Iranian torpedo boats and having lead time on incoming missiles.
Yes, the Arabian (Persian) Gulf is very shallow and warm, with a featureless bottom for the most part. So the sub-surface asset luxury we use in most oceans to our advantage, does not easily exist in the Gulf. They also still have 5 P-3 Orions with sub hunting MAD gear, sonobouys and torpedoes. Their maximum MEZ for the Khalij Fars, Ra'ad and Qader missiles is about 155 - 185 nautical miles - easily encompassing all of the Gulf and just to the perimeter of the Gulf of Oman.

However, their missile seekers and signal processing systems are considered weak, noisy, klugey and vulnerable to ECM.

So as not to escalate a conflict, and not needlessly endanger assets, we would have to stand off in the Arabian Sea. Let them shoot missiles as much as they desire. Missiles do not win wars. They are bragging icons for the military-uniform obsessed. Strategy, surveillance, command, control, deception, communications, logistics, NCO's and asset flexibility/training win wars. This however, would shut down the Straights for a bit. Thankfully we have our Eagle Ford Shale tertiary oil production back online after Obama shut it down. Otherwise we would be in a tactical quandary right now. This is not the same as fracking - it is conflated with fracking because it competes with Primary oil production, and those people have a lot of lobby money.

I was in a unit which monitored much of the combat between Iraqi and Iranian pilots during the Iran-Iraq War. The Iranian pilots are much better trained and tend to engage for a 20 mm dogfight using skill level II tactics, rather than run. Respectable. But they do not perform well as a coordinated air sortie. Each of them thinks of them self as the star in a movie, which Allah is watching - and they conduct their habits accordingly. This makes them vulnerable to a coordinated attack or a deception lure - their ontological courage, becoming also their vulnerability.

I would think that we let them fire their load, in a fit of Allah's awesome eschatological vengeance; missiles flying everywhere, only topped by propaganda releases about glorious victory. This is what happened with Libya - CTF 67 was kicking their ass badly - even had their old Soviet Foxtrot II sub in terminal prosecution (we opted to not kill)... and all the while they are claiming glorious victory. Tease them with air and ship incursions. And then we level their ability to refine weapons grade Uranium.

The problem with missiles is - once you run out of your latest block series, and you have to dip into the stuck-in-an-armory reserve inventory... the enemy knows this by the seeker head patterns and frequencies.

The problem with Uranium-235 is that it gives its location away.

The problem with underground bunkers, is that they most often become permanent mausoleums.
 
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Yes, the Arabian (Persian) Gulf is very shallow and warm, with a featureless bottom for the most part. So the sub-surface asset luxury we use in most oceans to our advantage, does not easily exist in the Gulf. They also still have 5 P-3 Orions with sub hunting MAD gear, sonobouys and torpedoes. Their maximum MEZ for the Khalij Fars, Ra'ad and Qader missiles is about 155 - 185 nautical miles - easily encompassing all of the Gulf and just to the perimeter of the Gulf of Oman.

However, their missile seekers and signal processing systems are considered weak, noisy, klugey and vulnerable to ECM.

So as not to escalate a conflict, and not needlessly endanger assets, we would have to stand off in the Arabian Sea. Let them shoot missiles as much as they desire. Missiles do not win wars. They are bragging icons for the military-uniform obsessed. Strategy, surveillance, command, control, deception, communications, logistics, NCO's and asset flexibility/training win wars. This however, would shut down the Straights for a bit. Thankfully we have our Eagle Ford Shale tertiary oil production back online after Obama shut it down. Otherwise we would be in a tactical quandary right now. This is not the same as fracking - it is conflated with fracking because it competes with Primary oil production, and those people have a lot of lobby money.

I monitored much of the combat between Iraqi and Iranian pilots during the Iran-Iraq War. The Iranian pilots are much better trained and tend to engage for a 20 mm dogfight using skill level II tactics, rather than run. Respectful. But they do not perform well as a coordinated air sortie. Each of them thinks of them self as the star in a movie, which Allah is watching - and they conduct their habits accordingly. This makes them vulnerable to a coordinated attack or a deception lure - their ontological courage, becoming their downfall.

I would think that we let them fire their load, in a fit of Allah's awesome eschatological vengeance; missiles flying everywhere, only topped by propaganda releases about glorious victory. This is what happened with Libya - CTF 67 was kicking their ass badly - even had their old Soviet Foxtrot II sub in terminal prosecution (we opted to not kill)... and all the while they are claiming glorious victory. Tease them with air and ship incursions. And then we level their ability to refine weapons grade Uranium.

The problem with missiles is - once you run out of your latest block series, and you have to dip into the stuck-in-an-armory reserve inventory... the enemy knows this by the seeker head patterns and frequencies.

The problem with Uranium-235 is that it gives its location away.

The problem with underground bunkers, is that they most often become permanent mausoleums.
In your opinion, is Iran in the process of intentionally making a nuclear bomb?
 
In your opinion, is Iran in the process of intentionally making a nuclear bomb?
I do not know if they are actually making a nuclear bomb. I do know that they enjoy using that perception to beat up everyone they hate (which is a long list).

However, much of this may all stem from the insanity of Ayatollah Khamenei. Iran’s clerical rulers believe the figure “Seyed Khorasani,” who at the end of times facilitates the coming and passes the flag of Islam to the 12th Imam, the Mahdi, is the current supreme leader of the regime, Ayatollah Khamenei. He also confirms that he believes this.

And Iran is a theocrazy - a country which reports to god, and the secular government reports to those ranking Imams who have direct contact with god.

An inconsistent model of God will inevitably serve to produce the ardent costume which masks its incumbent insanity.
 
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Good. Now you're taking the first step toward objective analysis - even if you're largely being sarcastic about it.
Oh, you noticed? ;)

Yes. That is possible too. However, suicide is never the answer. We know that from all of the evidence we gather here. We also have reason to believe that people come into this realm to experience and overcome various challenges. Losing a home is not pleasant, but it isn't the end of life. Homes can be rebuilt. Life is full of tragedies, large and small, and most people experience one sooner or later. You had a stroke. Did you just kill yourself when faced with those resulting challenges? The latest Skeptiko interview was with a medium who made a very good statement about spirituality, IMO. Spiritual growth and ascendance is all about taking the current situation and making it better. The woman, if effected by the circumstances that you suggest, could have started a community garden for food. She could have helped clean up neighborhoods, educate and care for children; perhaps displaced children. So much opportunity. You are still making excuses for the inexcusable.
But you’re not looking at her reality here Eric. You aren’t discussing her situation as she saw it, only from your perspective. I think that it’s basic lack of empathy that you are displaying. This woman in all probability never heard of NDEs and never thought about such things during her whole life. You and I have no idea what it’s like to be her, yet you presume that she’s weak or doing the ‘wrong’ thing (suicide). We may assume she’s religious, being a Muslim (most likely guess), but we both know that that is likely to be a crutch rather than a spiritual freedom. Religion often is. Some people have difficult lives, your family made the best of it, they were able to make good choices. I’m guessing that you grew up in a family that are very proud of their story. I’m sure they/you have an amazing story to tell. Did you ever experience something similar? I’m guessing not. And that’s not a dig, it’s really not. You say that you were born in the US and I think your family had money. (You’ve talked about mixing with elites at school, but by school you may be talking about
University?).

So if I’m guilty of draining their potential, aren’t you just as guilty of assuming that she ought to be doing what your family managed to do? Your position being based on your interpretation of what our reality may be. I believe that some people just aren’t able, and it’s no reflection on them. Perhaps they’re on a different path to you, perhaps, perhaps. You assume to know so much Eric, maybe you do. I don’t, and don’t assume to know. Is it really pull yourself up by your bootstraps no matter how difficult life may be? I really hope not.

Until you’ve lived the very same life lived by that woman, you’re in no position to judge her.
 
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Oh, you noticed? ;)



But you’re not looking at her reality here Eric. You aren’t discussing her situation as she saw it, only from your perspective. I think that it’s basic lack of empathy that you are displaying. This woman in all probability never heard of NDEs and never thought about such things during her whole life. You and I have no idea what it’s like to be her, yet you presume that she’s weak or doing the ‘wrong’ thing (suicide). We may assume she’s religious, being a Muslim (most likely guess), but we both know that that is likely to be a crutch rather than a spiritual freedom. Religion often is. Some people have difficult lives, your family made the best of it, they were able to make good choices. I’m guessing that you grew up in a family that are very proud of their story. I’m sure they/you have an amazing story to tell. Did you ever experience something similar? I’m guessing not. And that’s not a dig, it’s really not. You say that you were born in the US and I think your family had money. (You’ve talked about mixing with elites at school, but by school you may be talking about
University?).

So if I’m guilty of draining their potential, aren’t you just as guilty of assuming that she ought to be doing what your family managed to do? Your position being based on your interpretation of what our reality may be. I believe that some people just aren’t able, and it’s no reflection on them. Perhaps they’re on a different path to you, perhaps, perhaps. You assume to know so much Eric, maybe you do. I don’t, and don’t assume to know. Is it really pull yourself up by your bootstraps no matter how difficult life may be? I really hope not.

Until you’ve lived the very same life lived by that woman, you’re in no position to judge her.
And yet you judge Israel and its soldiers.
 
And yet you judge Israel and its soldiers.
Because they are murdering lots of people in cold blood on the streets, there’s a difference.

I admit, there are lots of similar injustices around the world. I highlight Israel because they claim to be a civilised, democratic society and they’re closely allied to us in the UK and many others. I don’t accept that they’re a civilised society. I find it fascinating how they’re actions are ‘accepted’ by us in the west. It’s both interesting and troubling.
 
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