Trump Consciousness

another thing that really pissed me about the evil doer is that he was getting steel and aluminum smelting back in the hands of America .....what a nutty idea to be able to smelt your own steel with the raw materials from the ground around you ....much better that you rely on China for that
 
what an ass hole he is ....trying to stop 10000 illegal migration spewing across southern border ...that's no problem he making that up .....wake up he just hates people that are not WHITE ....RIGHT GUYS !!
 
America should really pay restitution to the families if all those poor Isis souls we lost when Trump blew them off the face of the earth ...they were not deserving of that. ..cut off heads... rape torture. .... that's not problem ....he was wrong to do that .....he should have left it to fester some more like his predecessors did
 
For any good he may have done, Trump is currently demonstrating why he lost.

He’s a big baby with no class.

He may even be wrecking the Atlanta run offs for his party.
 

Bart V

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For the lefties, post modernists and neo Marxist socialists who are posting here. (you know who you are)
Not trying to speak for anyone else, but my political leanings are certainly more to the left. To the Trump crowd i would be a communist, but let us be real, they would call everything left of the Klu Klux Klan communism.
I am for a form of capitalism that is kept in check by good individual and social protections, environmental rules, livable wages, health care that is affordable and for everybody.

Just consider if things were reversed?
Actually, the experiment has been done in 2016, Trump won with exactly the same number of electoral college votes.
However without support of the popular vote, millions of votes less than Clinton, a nice illustration of how the system is skewed towards republicans.

He won with the same exact machines, and there maybe were some mutterings about fraud or so, but nothing was taken serious by anybody that matters.
Clinton called Trump to congratulate, and conceded the next day.
It was actually Trump who claimed voter fraude because he couldn't stand losing the popular vote.
He had these claims investigated and came up empty.

So you have your answer, things were reversed in 2016, and the reaction was also completely reversed.

If there were signs of fraud, hundreds of affidavits, whistle blowers, convictions, statistical anomalies, threats and intimidation, suspect software that has been involved in electoral fraud before, and on and on.... Including the stuff that is being withheld..... All the things you are filtering out that is.
the problem is that there is simply no proof for all of this.
What Affidavits? If you are convinced by showing a stack of papers you are even more credulous than i thought.
What whistle blowers, the ones they paid?
What statistical anomalies, do you have something concrete there, something we can investigate?
The software he had four years to replace if he wanted?

Well what do think would be happening? What would you be saying about it? what would the media be saying? Honestly?
Every serious reporter would laugh away the "evidence", just as all the courts do, honestly.

I think the answer is pretty clear. Common you guys know exactly what the answer to that would be.
That is pure projection. You poor soul, you can not even imagine that other people don't live in your fantasy world.
Try to put yourselves in the other shoes for a moment and just think. Not everyone feels the same way. Please acknowledge that.
How could we? there is simply no way to accept the same things as evidence as you do, keep in mind that some people demand more than intuition to accept things as being true.

I don't support Trump or Biden, I want what is best. At this point it is just about exposing the corruption is what is best. If you think there is none then you are truly lost Is all I can say. Consumed by you own ideology.
For someone who likes to lecture on using straw men, you do like to use them.
This is a textbook example. It is not because we do not believe in Q-anon like conspiracies, we do not believe corruption exists.
 
the problem is that there is simply no proof for all of this.
What Affidavits? If you are convinced by showing a stack of papers you are even more credulous than i thought.
What whistle blowers, the ones they paid?
What statistical anomalies, do you have something concrete there, something we can investigate?
The software he had four years to replace if he wanted?
Well this is pure gold. This is a conspiracy theory Bart. Just as the Russia gate thing was. You even have admitted you still believe it despite being ruled out through the legal challenges.

That is pure projection. You poor soul, you can not even imagine that other people don't live in your fantasy world.
Kind of contradictory, since you previously gave the correct answer here.
So you have your answer, things were reversed in 2016, and the reaction was also completely reversed.
Oh yes and your reality is the true reality right? Please get off your high horse. Reality is perspective. The reality of a family in Palestine being bombed by US paid IDF bombs is different to Israelis being attacked from Hamas rockets. You just gave an example above of how you see this from your reality, so that is your reality which appears as fantasy to be honest. How incredibly arrogant and ignorant of you.

How could we? there is simply no way to accept the same things as evidence as you do, keep in mind that some people demand more than intuition to accept things as being true.
Yet you just fabricated your own conspiracy theory based on your intuition not facts.

For someone who likes to lecture on using straw men, you do like to use them.
This is a textbook example. It is not because we do not believe in Q-anon like conspiracies, we do not believe corruption exists.
Haha, so you return another strawman, no one said anything about q-anon! Another bit of gold right there. It's clear you believe what you want to because of ideology not evidence. That is my perspective, and probably to anyone else not in your "reality".

I meant Corruption in the voting system. Remember informal fallacy is provisional to facts. There is corruption we just do not know how far it goes yet. So yeah it is a fact and not a fallacy.

Yeah keep trying mate, maybe I can give you some more rope to tangle yourself in.
 
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Good lord, the Trump team are apparently walking into the supreme court with nothing but a stack of papers as affidavits and paid witnesses.

Yeah and I am the conspiracy nut. Lol.
 
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I try to separate spirituality from politics because it leads to demonizing people with different political beliefs as "evil". Throughout history that has led to the worst kind of atrocities justified by people claiming spiritual and moral authority. No one is infallible so it is usually a bad idea to judge others lest you be judged.

And people in different circumstances are naturally affected differently by political policies so it is common for good people to disagree on what is the best policy. Thinking large numbers of human beings are evil because of their political beliefs is almost always a mistake.


I have tried to explain why I think conservative polices are best (below). I am not trying to change any Democrats' minds but I hope I can get them to be a bit more tolerant of people on the other side:



This is a more in depth explanation of conservative policies:
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I have to be a "conservative" now. Because the left has gone insane. That is why I voted for Trump. I did vote Bill Clinton & Obama. But, then I saw what they did in real life & how they lied.

I really don't understand people who just blindly follow the MSM (?). It's like they have no brain to research or don't want to believe those horrid people screwed everyone because their followers were so stupid.

I argued at the office w/everyone that Bill Clinton wasn't lying when he went on camera & told us THE NATION.. .US! "He didn't have sex with that woman". I don't care if he had sex, what I cared about is he LIED to us all. Further, we have to think about what kind of person takes those kinds of risks in the oval office with a young girl that he is supposed to be mentoring, who he lied to also?

I would have just said, "it's none of your business". But, I wouldn't have lied.

Then when Obama sent all that cash money in different countries dominations... to IRAN! Jesus. We'd never have known that if an FBI agent didn't leak it. All this crazy on Wikileaks. It's true.

Hillary Clinton is a filthy witch. That was a no brainer not to vote for.

So we are left w/Trump or Biden. Give me a break, 47 years of bull $hit. Isn't that enough for you all?

As people smarter than me have said the President doesn't control it all & we shouldn't care. I don't have to care, I'm set, I have more than enough. What I care about are those behind me... the young families & children & the poor & uneducated that will be crushed under his policies. It's sad. I just hope we can hold their freak off for 4 years & then maybe somebody will wake up.
 
As people smarter than me have said the President doesn't control it all & we shouldn't care.
It depends who actually controls it. I care if multinational corporations control it. I care if foreign countries control it. I care if the military industrial intelligence complex controls it. I care if unelected bureaucrats who ignore the law control it.

Trump wants to put the government back under the control of the voters. That is why all the power centers in the world (the Democrats, establishment Republicans, the intelligence agencies, foreign intelligence agencies, the FBI, the media, tech companies, the deep state, Hollywood, multinational corporations, China, the Clintons, the Obamas, and the Bushes) are against him. Trump is an existential threat to their wealth and power.
 
Good lord, the Trump team are apparently walking into the supreme court with nothing but a stack of papers as affidavits and paid witnesses.

Yeah and I am the conspiracy nut. Lol.
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You are not getting the other half she said. She said the machines (voting) can be programmed to give %'s. If so if she is telling the truth it would give votes to Biden he didn't actually rec..

I have no idea what is going on. I would support (or at least shut up) if Biden won, I wouldn't lie for 4 years as they did to Trump. That's just crazy.

Here is the deal, we just sit tight, see what they got then decide. But, the Dems acted so badly I think many Trump supporters are going to go nuts. I mean... I've seen & heard videos of Trump supporters planning to actually kill people. And what kind of shocked me were these were not red neck freaks. These were business people who are losing their businesses. They have followers. Not good.

One way or the other, if we can influence anyone, we need to calm them down. It won't matter who wins now, the other side is going to attack. I thought people talking "civil war" were over the top. But the underground... wow. They intend to kill people. Don't encourage it no matter what side you're on.

I wonder how many of you know people who got freezers & are storing food? Because I know several business people who are doing this. Damn a civil war... I just can't imagine it.
 
Well this is pure gold. This is a conspiracy theory Bart. Just as the Russia gate thing was. You even have admitted you still believe it despite being ruled out through the legal challenges.



Kind of contradictory, since you previously gave the correct answer here.

Oh yes and your reality is the true reality right? Please get off your high horse. Reality is perspective. The reality of a family in Palestine being bombed by US paid IDF bombs is different to Israelis being attacked from Hamas rockets. You just gave an example above of how you see this from your reality, so that is your reality which appears as fantasy to be honest. How incredibly arrogant and ignorant of you.



Yet you just fabricated your own conspiracy theory based on your intuition not facts.



Haha, so you return another strawman, no one said anything about q-anon! Another bit of gold right there. It's clear you believe what you want to because of ideology not evidence. That is my perspective, and probably to anyone else not in your "reality".

I meant Corruption in the voting system. Remember informal fallacy is provisional to facts. There is corruption we just do not know how far it goes yet. So yeah it is a fact and not a fallacy.

Yeah keep trying mate, maybe I can give you some more rope to tangle yourself in.
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The Russian investigation was a complete hoax. It was $$ backed by the Clinton machine & the DNC. That is a fact. The Steele report was a lie. Anyone who now believes it is either a liar themselves or stupid. I'm sorry it just is. If you are one of those people who can be lead so easily to still believe this, let me know so I can block you.

It isn't I wouldn't listen to you but to continue with a known lie... just waste my time. We have enough problems without people telling lies when the facts are plain. Here now is our problem, our agencies have been compromised. Our FBI and DOJ. They are bought & paid for.

I also fear our media has been compromised as well. This would mean China now owns us. Ask the people who are in re-education camps in China how they like that. Because they would do the same thing to you.
 
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