Trump Consciousness

Bart V said:
Release the Karen!
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I'd like to see you deal with loosing your job, friends, family and everything else for daring to speak out against the left. You wouldn't have the balls to do it.

Pathetic. People like you are the reason that there is going to be blood, and not only in the USA. The more you goad and gloat, the more the karma is stacking up against you.

FAFO.
 
diverdown said:
So the narrative on your side after all this has come out, is still that this is all Trumps fault?

Man alive, I don't know what to say to you then Silence. I would think that the integrity of your elections would be more important than getting in some more jabs at Trump, surely........
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You said something about the BS we had to put up with the last four years. Yes, its quite clear to me that Trump was a prime player in moving the dialogue into the bullshit category. I have yet to hear a reasonable or intelligent counter to this position.

Note, this doesn't mean to imply that he was alone (which seems clear from what I said if read objectively). Both sides of the aisle have regressed into the muck of contradiction, misdirection, and lying. But dang, Trump's the poster child.

Now, on the topic of the election I remain of high conviction on that topic as I've repeatedly stated here: I want a full and fair accounting of the vote. Thus, I'm not taking a stand on anything until its gone through the rigorous process of standing up to legal/judiciary scrutiny. (i.e., not some video posted on the internet)
 
Silence said:
You said something about the BS we had to put up with the last four years. Yes, its quite clear to me that Trump was a prime player in moving the dialogue into the bullshit category. I have yet to hear a reasonable or intelligent counter to this position.

Note, this doesn't mean to imply that he was alone (which seems clear from what I said if read objectively). Both sides of the aisle have regressed into the muck of contradiction, misdirection, and lying. But dang, Trump's the poster child.

Now, on the topic of the election I remain of high conviction on that topic as I've repeatedly stated here: I want a full and fair accounting of the vote. Thus, I'm not taking a stand on anything until its gone through the rigorous process of standing up to legal/judiciary scrutiny. (i.e., not some video posted on the internet)
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I completely disagree with the first paragraph. One of the reasons Trump was elected was that people were sick and tired of PC culture, SJW's, and all manner of communist/marxist/leftist/whateverist BS that was coming from a very vocal and effectual section of western society. It's been well documented in recent years especially. Trump was a counter to all of that, giving hope to the majority of people who were not only sick of it then, but beyond rage at it now.

And I'd honestly say that the both sides are now knee deep in the muck because the left just wouldn't stop being absolute bastards about EVERYTHING in the west. It's really not good to allow one side so much mainstream acceptance for years and years and not only that, but going after the other side as if they were worse than Mao and Hitler.

As for your last paragraph, fair enough. This is what I'd want in my country too. But it's more than America. The whole world is watching, especially the enemies of the West, though I'm not sure how relevant all that is anymore with the WEF, the Great Reset and all that.
 
malf said:
The religious fervour around Trump's populism gives me little confidence in some of these witnesses.

However, as I said above, this is concerning and needs an explanation:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/state...lling-out-suitcases-with-ballots_3603293.html
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Well, seems there is an explanation. It's the same as with all these videos, we simply do not know what we are looking at.
If you think away the narration, and you read wat is said here , apparently all what is left is normal procedure.

Of course this is not going to convince anyone, a conspiracy always fold in on itself, Gabriel Sterling is now officially part of the conspiracy to steal the election.
 
diverdown said:
I'd like to see you deal with loosing your job, friends, family and everything else for daring to speak out against the left. You wouldn't have the balls to do it.
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Oh, don't be so dramatic, she's having the time of her life.
She probably sees herself as a hero, but she is used, just as you are.
The whole goal of this ridiculous circus, is not to get into court with this testimony. To repeat what is said here over and over again, in the courts they do not even claim fraud.
The end game is to create enough stink to pressure the state in choosing new electors that would vote for president pussygrabber.

Pathetic. People like you are the reason that there is going to be blood, and not only in the USA. The more you goad and gloat, the more the karma is stacking up against you.
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If anyone is to blame, it is your dear leader, he could have conceded, and asked his supporters to keep calm for the good of the country.
But that would have taken actual courage, not really Trump's forte.

Karma, i like the concept, i try to act as if it exists, but i do not really think it does.
Otherwise Trump wouldn't have survived covid, right?

FAFO.
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And a deeply felt covfefe to you to sir.
 
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diverdown said:
I completely disagree with the first paragraph. One of the reasons Trump was elected was that people were sick and tired of PC culture, SJW's, and all manner of communist/marxist/leftist/whateverist BS that was coming from a very vocal and effectual section of western society. It's been well documented in recent years especially. Trump was a counter to all of that, giving hope to the majority of people who were not only sick of it then, but beyond rage at it now.
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If Trump had actually been a capable leader, he'd be planning his second term (in reality).

I agree with much of what you wrote, that people were tired of PC/SJW/etc. Further, a huge population of middle America felt betrayed by Washington and wanted economic change. Underneath all of Trump's bluster and childishness was a damn strong platform.

But here's the rub: He couldn't rise to the challenge. He had to take on every criticism, real or perceived, and punch back below the belt. Every.... single... time. It was petty, ridiculous and unnecessary. Hell, he had actually WON the 2016 election. He was the victor. Do what any parent worth their salt would tell a child: let the loser wallow in their own despair, let them be the poor sport, the bad loser.

Instead he continued to cheapen the dialogue, comb through every newscast on a daily basis for any criticism, and ultimately taking his eye off the ball. Enough voters who either a) voted for him in 2016 or b) were open to voting for him in 2020 saw him as a petty, petulant, narcissist who was unfit to lead. I'm convinced of this based on the conversations and observations I've had as an American.

Beating the Democratic party, that is currently is such disarray, should have been child's play. He just wasn't up to the task.

Thus, the real ire of the right should be being directed at Trump. The PC/SJW culture just isn't the majority and I don't really think its even close.
 
Silence said:
If Trump had actually been a capable leader, he'd be planning his second term (in reality).

I agree with much of what you wrote, that people were tired of PC/SJW/etc. Further, a huge population of middle America felt betrayed by Washington and wanted economic change. Underneath all of Trump's bluster and childishness was a damn strong platform.

But here's the rub: He couldn't rise to the challenge. He had to take on every criticism, real or perceived, and punch back below the belt. Every.... single... time. It was petty, ridiculous and unnecessary. Hell, he had actually WON the 2016 election. He was the victor. Do what any parent worth their salt would tell a child: let the loser wallow in their own despair, let them be the poor sport, the bad loser.

Instead he continued to cheapen the dialogue, comb through every newscast on a daily basis for any criticism, and ultimately taking his eye off the ball. Enough voters who either a) voted for him in 2016 or b) were open to voting for him in 2020 saw him as a petty, petulant, narcissist who was unfit to lead. I'm convinced of this based on the conversations and observations I've had as an American.

Beating the Democratic party, that is currently is such disarray, should have been child's play. He just wasn't up to the task.

Thus, the real ire of the right should be being directed at Trump. The PC/SJW culture just isn't the majority and I don't really think its even close.
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You're absolutely right! It should be pretty easy to beat the Democratic candidate. The Republicans would do better if they run a different candidate in 2024. Trump is just such an alienating figure and it's not because he speaks the truth....he's a corrupt individual who only cares about himself. It's really sad to me that he has so many defenders, especially in this forum. He creates so much divisiveness and couldn't care less if this country comes to ruins, as long as he makes a quick buck. The fact that he as seen as a savior figure is truly frightening...and laughable as well. Good riddance to the worst president in our young history!
 
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Silence said:
If Trump had actually been a capable leader, he'd be planning his second term (in reality).

I agree with much of what you wrote, that people were tired of PC/SJW/etc. Further, a huge population of middle America felt betrayed by Washington and wanted economic change. Underneath all of Trump's bluster and childishness was a damn strong platform.

But here's the rub: He couldn't rise to the challenge. He had to take on every criticism, real or perceived, and punch back below the belt. Every.... single... time. It was petty, ridiculous and unnecessary. Hell, he had actually WON the 2016 election. He was the victor. Do what any parent worth their salt would tell a child: let the loser wallow in their own despair, let them be the poor sport, the bad loser.

Instead he continued to cheapen the dialogue, comb through every newscast on a daily basis for any criticism, and ultimately taking his eye off the ball. Enough voters who either a) voted for him in 2016 or b) were open to voting for him in 2020 saw him as a petty, petulant, narcissist who was unfit to lead. I'm convinced of this based on the conversations and observations I've had as an American.

Beating the Democratic party, that is currently is such disarray, should have been child's play. He just wasn't up to the task.

Thus, the real ire of the right should be being directed at Trump. The PC/SJW culture just isn't the majority and I don't really think its even close.
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Additionally, these legal challenges to the constitution/mail in ballots etc needed to be made before the election. His supporters (that have a clue about these issues) are angry because Trump and his lawyers were asleep at the wheel in the run up to the election. Hence, judges are saying "why you bringing this to us now, not months ago?"

Subsequently employing his TV lawyer instead of serious election/constitution specialist lawyers may have been a mis-step, albeit an entertaining one.
 
Chris7 said:
You're absolutely right! It should be pretty easy to beat the Democratic candidate. The Republicans would do better if they run a different candidate in 2024. Trump is just such an alienating figure and it's not because he speaks the truth....he's a corrupt individual who only cares about himself. It's really sad to me that he has so many defenders, especially in this forum. He creates so much divisiveness and couldn't care less if this country comes to ruins, as long as he makes a quick buck. The fact that he as seen as a savior figure is truly frightening...and laughable as well. Good riddance to the worst president in our young history!
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You do realise we can all see your side constantly moving the goalposts, right?

First it was - there is no fraud, you are a sore looser.

Secondly it was - there is no evidence of fraud, you are a sore looser.

Thirdly it was - there is no evidence of wide-scale fraud, you are a sore looser.

Fourthly it was - there is not enough fraud to overturn the election, you are a sore looser.

Now it's - Trump is bad, it's all his fault anyway.




You have no idea how maddening that is to bear witness to.
 
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Bart V said:
Oh, don't be so dramatic, she's having the time of her life.
She probably sees herself as a hero, but she is used, just as you are.
The whole goal of this ridiculous circus, is not to get into court with this testimony. To repeat what is said here over and over again, in the courts they do not even claim fraud.
The end game is to create enough stink to pressure the state in choosing new electors that would vote for president pussygrabber.
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Yeah, I don't think so. So the account of her loosing ones job, family, friends and having half the country hate you is somehow just her being dramatic.

You seem to be another one who lives on different planet apparently....


Bart V said:
If anyone is to blame, it is your dear leader, he could have conceded, and asked his supporters to keep calm for the good of the country.
But that would have taken actual courage, not really Trump's forte.
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Lol. Another one blaming Trump, rather than the election process itself. Like I said, moving the goalposts..........

Bart V said:
Karma, i like the concept, i try to act as if it exists, but i do not really think it does.
Otherwise Trump wouldn't have survived covid, right?
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If you don't think it exists, why bother to act as if it does exist?


Bart V said:
And a deeply felt covfefe to you to sir.
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Indeed.
 
Silence said:
If Trump had actually been a capable leader, he'd be planning his second term (in reality).

I agree with much of what you wrote, that people were tired of PC/SJW/etc. Further, a huge population of middle America felt betrayed by Washington and wanted economic change. Underneath all of Trump's bluster and childishness was a damn strong platform.

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Thus, the real ire of the right should be being directed at Trump. The PC/SJW culture just isn't the majority and I don't really think its even close.
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A culture doesn't have to be a majority to bring rampage upon a society. That is becoming quite self evident in many countries in Europe with the rate of immigration, and specifically, the incompatibility of those immigrants to Western values . Those are facts, but that is another topic.


I think you aren't even close with your assessment about SJW/PC culture. It's absolutely everywhere in the West nowadays. You cannot get away from it. People in corporations, from big to small, are forced to go to these meetings about how being white is racist in itself for example. The public sector is even worse. Let's not go there with the Universities, where it all started. The evidence is overwhelming.
 
diverdown said:
You do realise we can all see your side constantly moving the goalposts, right?

First it was - there is no fraud, you are a sore looser.

Secondly it was - there is no evidence of fraud, you are a sore looser.

Thirdly it was - there is no evidence of wide-scale fraud, you are a sore looser.

Fourthly it was - there is not enough fraud to overturn the election, you are a sore looser.

Now it's - Trump is bad, it's all his fault anyway.




You have no idea how maddening that is to bear witness to.
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You're right! You do realize both can be true, right? There can be no evidence of voter fraud and you can be a bad president. Actually...that's probably why he didn't win, did you think of that?
 
So apparently the main argument against the Georgia video is that the poll workers were not told to go, that they just left on their on accord.

So yeah that is it. Because regardless of the chain of custody of those ballots it is illegal to do any processing unsupervised. So this is the defense.

Well that is debunked quite thoroughly by multiple witnesses who were there and told that counting had finished (at around 10:30).
Including ABC news who received conformation directly from Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager who was running the show.

"Nov 4
NEW: The election department sent the ballot counters at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta home at 10:30 p.m., Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, tells ABC News. "
https://nitter.dark.fail/ABCPolitics/status/1323846118208376834#m

We also clearly see everyone leave at that time except the few who wait until everyone else is gone to begin processing the Ballots that were hidden from view and away from the regular bins that were used.

We also see the large spike in Biden votes at the same time this was occurring in the video.

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https://www.cnsnews.com/article/was...phisticated-influence-campaigndwarfs-anything

DNI Ratcliffe: 'China's 'Sophisticated Influence Campaign...Dwarfs Anything That Any Other Country Is Doing'​
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Well, in an unclassified setting, I can't get into a whole lot of details, other than to say that China is using a massive and sophisticated influence campaign that dwarfs anything that any other country is doing.​
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Listen, first, when we talk about election security, I want to reassure the American people, it would be difficult for anyone, China, Russia, Iran, to change actual vote tallies. We have a decentralized system across this country about counting votes.​
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But when we talk about influence and malign foreign influence, what China's doing that no one else is doing is, they're engaging at the local, state and federal level. Beijing is threatening economic ruin in, for instance, districts where members of Congress are, threatening ruin to businesses, factories and jobs, unless members of Congress support pro-China policies or oppose policies of the administration, of this administration, that are tough on China.​
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So, that's the kind of influence, malign influence, that China is exerting on a level that no other country is matching. And it's something that should concern every American.​
 
K9! said:
The poll watcher who was originally from India, who everyone assumed was a Democrat because of the color of her skin, said that "white male Republicans" were bullied and treated inappropriately by the Democrats. She was shocked by the conduct.

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In that clip Phil Waldren, the information warfare officer stated that the systems are highly vulnerable at multiple levels and that the easiest way to penetrate the system, the discrete way is by using USB drives.

Here is the same blonde braid woman, (Shaye Freeman) from the Georgia video palming what appears to be a USB drive and placing it the pocket of the man in front of the camera, just like some sort of drug deal. The body language speaks volumes here.

 
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LoneShaman said:
In that clip Phil Waldren, the information warfare officer stated that the systems are highly vulnerable at multiple levels and that the easiest way to penetrate the system, the discrete way is by using USB drives.

Here is the same blonde braid woman, (Shaye Freeman) from the Georgia video palming what appears to be a USB drive and placing it the pocket of the man in front of the camera, just like some sort of drug deal. The body language speaks volumes here.

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I’ve no idea what is going on there, but didn’t Georgia have a paper ballot audit?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/19/us/elections/georgia-recount.html
 
malf said:
I guess that’s for the system (judges, constitution etc) to consider.

Remember even if trump won the vote, the US is not a democracy... it’s a constitutional republic.
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Sure.
I have to reiterate my opinion which is I think the central issue. This is not about Trump really, it may be in the short term. But in the larger scheme it is about the future of the U.S and of course the ramifications for the rest of the world. I'd hope we could agree on that.
 
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