Trump Consciousness

The left is scared. They stole an election from a candidate who won the popular vote. They had help from foreign countries. If justice was served they would be liable to get the death penalty for treason.

Trump scared the Democrats badly on the 6th. They are also scared of Trump because more people voted for Trump than for Obama and Trump's voters are loyal to him personally. The Democrats are reacting in fear, carelessly. The more oppressive Democrats become the sooner they will be overthrown. Trump knows this.

Nonviolent resistance works by causing your opponent to alienate more and more people until no one supports them any more.

The anti-Trump hysteria of the last four years drove many voters away from the Democrat party and into the MAGA movement. People are getting tired of covid lockdowns. Out of office and no longer responsible for policy, Trump will be able to criticize the covid and other repressive policies much more strenuously.

Every situation has advantages and disadvantages. Trump will assess the new situation, identify the advantages. He can continue taunting and provoking the Democrats after he leaves office. They may become more and more hysterical, make more mistakes, embarrass themselves further, and alienate more voters. Not being president will give Trump a lot more room to maneuver. Trump may be more effective at weakening support for Democrats after he leaves office than he could be as president.

I don't know what is really going to happen but I think it's possible, if things go right, and they might not, that a MAGA president could take office in 2025. I think it's better to look for ways to success than assume failure.
Jim, you've got it almost exactly backwards. Trump's (and others') anti-Left rhetoric has driven many voters away from MAGA and the Republican Party. That's why Trump lost the popular vote so very badly. Yes, there was increased voting overall, so he got a greater number of votes than last time. But the majority (by a 16 point advantage) of the increased voting went to Biden, not to him.

And it's getting even worse since the election, as we saw in Georgia. There has been an additional 2+ point shift to the Democrats, since Nov. 3, which allowed the Democrats to win the senate seats and have control. Instead of the "Left" running scared and shrinking, it is Trump and the Republicans who are losing their supporters. And that was before Trump incited violence against the US government. It can only be worse, now. And some of you are just now realizing that Trump lied to you and abandoned you on your big day, so you are also starting to lose even your most ardent supporters.

If you want to continue losing, by all means, let Trump continue to drive away the remainder of the ordinary, decent Americans to the "Left". I sincerely hope that you remain blind and dismissive of the facts. We're all ready to be done with this clown, and the longer you cling to him, the faster that will happen.
 
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I don't know if it will happen but now that the state legislatures understand the scope of the election fraud I think there is a possibility that they can do something about it.

Under the US constitution the state legislature alone controls elections. They don't need approval of the governor. They can prohibit mail-in voting and institute voter id laws, they can strip the secretary of state of powers to supervise elections, they can make clearer mandates for election observers, etc they can set up a transparent system for counting votes mandating chain of custody documentation etc.

And I don't think voter fraud can turn the republican majority legislatures to democrat majority, because democrat cities can't influence other areas of the state, they can only give the representatives from their own district (who would win anyway without voter fraud) a greater margin of victory.

In the map below the red and yellow states have republican majority legislatures. Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia all have republican majority legislatures.

Based on historical precedent, in 2022 the Republicans are likely to gain a majority in the US House of Representatives, so the Democrats may only have two years to make their control irreversible. I don't know what they are capable of, but I don't rule that out.

I doubt it. There are two problems with this scenario: First, many Republicans left the party after witnessing the disgrace of the party on January 6th. The second is that many Americans now know that voting is useless. They won't be voting at all. My opinion is that the voting machines should be destroyed. Actually, any attempt to hold an election under the present administration should be thwarted. The only way I see honest governance returning to America is through violent revolution. There may be "peaceful transitions" between corrupt administrations, but not from a corrupt administration to an honest one.
 
Let's take a wager on the over/under for total vote count in 2024. I'll take the over (vs 2020).

Voting integrity is a paramount issue. Any counter view on the topic simply isn't serious. I don't think anyone who's participated in this thread feels any differently. Its actually always been an issue of paramount importance to Americans as our election history is littered with this issue. I am all for a rigorous review by each state of their processes, laws, etc. The technology used to aid in voting and vote tabulating has been evolving since the birth of our Union:

https://observer.com/2018/10/voting-evolution-electronic-paper-ballots/

It seems naive to not expect further use of technology to enable citizens' rights to vote but also to strengthen integrity. While likely not a popular notion with some Americans right now (e.g., expanded use of technology), it still seems rational and logical to expect it. Perhaps its the use of a blockchain technology, or some other more secure technology capability not yet invented.

That being said, it will always require those in power to be supportive of the process. Trump's approach to this past election will go down as the greatest example of what NOT to do as a public official. He butchered it. That's the sole reason, literally, for any reduction in confidence by the citizenry at large. He stood on the bully pulpit as soon as he took office (2017) and planted the notion in his sycophants heads that if he were EVER to lose an election that election, by definition, would have to be fraudulent. Again, we are where we are due to one sociopath's actions.

I think we'll recover and recover quite well. While we've never had anyone quite like Trump, we've had our share of existential threats. I'm sure we'll all agree with what I've written. ;)
 
Let's take a wager on the over/under for total vote count in 2024. I'll take the over (vs 2020).

Voting integrity is a paramount issue. Any counter view on the topic simply isn't serious. I don't think anyone who's participated in this thread feels any differently. Its actually always been an issue of paramount importance to Americans as our election history is littered with this issue. I am all for a rigorous review by each state of their processes, laws, etc. The technology used to aid in voting and vote tabulating has been evolving since the birth of our Union:

https://observer.com/2018/10/voting-evolution-electronic-paper-ballots/

It seems naive to not expect further use of technology to enable citizens' rights to vote but also to strengthen integrity. While likely not a popular notion with some Americans right now (e.g., expanded use of technology), it still seems rational and logical to expect it. Perhaps its the use of a blockchain technology, or some other more secure technology capability not yet invented.

That being said, it will always require those in power to be supportive of the process. Trump's approach to this past election will go down as the greatest example of what NOT to do as a public official. He butchered it. That's the sole reason, literally, for any reduction in confidence by the citizenry at large. He stood on the bully pulpit as soon as he took office (2017) and planted the notion in his sycophants heads that if he were EVER to lose an election that election, by definition, would have to be fraudulent. Again, we are where we are due to one sociopath's actions.

I think we'll recover and recover quite well. While we've never had anyone quite like Trump, we've had our share of existential threats. I'm sure we'll all agree with what I've written. ;)
He kind of wrecked everything. If he had just chilled a bit on the election fraud and going to the Capitol, he might have had a chance in 2024. I think he killed his political career.
 
I think this is a fair concern. Again, Trump catalysed this but what's done is done.
Trump catalyzed what exactly? There is no evidence for any of this crap you say about Trump.

When the evidence is presented in court and accepted then you might have a point. Until then, you're just making stuff up.

Vive the Constitution! Vive "the process"!
 
Is there a reference for the claim that all 900 military votes in Fulton county went to Biden? I couldn't find anything searching the Georgia election site, google, or the "here is the evidence" site.
 
I wonder if they will be collecting intelligence?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...side-nancy-pelosis-office-emails-open-screen/

BREAKING: Patriots Are INSIDE NANCY PELOSI’S OFFICE — Emails Open on Screen


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/pel...om-her-office-during-storming-of-capitol.html

Laptop stolen from Pelosi’s office during storming of U.S. Capitol, aide says​
...​
The aide said that the laptop belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations.​
 
Let's take a wager on the over/under for total vote count in 2024. I'll take the over (vs 2020).

Voting integrity is a paramount issue. Any counter view on the topic simply isn't serious. I don't think anyone who's participated in this thread feels any differently. Its actually always been an issue of paramount importance to Americans as our election history is littered with this issue. I am all for a rigorous review by each state of their processes, laws, etc. The technology used to aid in voting and vote tabulating has been evolving since the birth of our Union:

https://observer.com/2018/10/voting-evolution-electronic-paper-ballots/

It seems naive to not expect further use of technology to enable citizens' rights to vote but also to strengthen integrity. While likely not a popular notion with some Americans right now (e.g., expanded use of technology), it still seems rational and logical to expect it. Perhaps its the use of a blockchain technology, or some other more secure technology capability not yet invented.

That being said, it will always require those in power to be supportive of the process. Trump's approach to this past election will go down as the greatest example of what NOT to do as a public official. He butchered it. That's the sole reason, literally, for any reduction in confidence by the citizenry at large. He stood on the bully pulpit as soon as he took office (2017) and planted the notion in his sycophants heads that if he were EVER to lose an election that election, by definition, would have to be fraudulent. Again, we are where we are due to one sociopath's actions.

I think we'll recover and recover quite well. While we've never had anyone quite like Trump, we've had our share of existential threats. I'm sure we'll all agree with what I've written. ;)
Get ready to tell your employer how racist you are.

 
Trump catalyzed what exactly?
The Republicans total collapse and loss of the White House and Senate.

There is no evidence for any of this crap you say about Trump.
Sure, its open to interpretation, but that's mine. The sense I get from a lot of voters I've spoken to (super small sample size obviously) and what I've read (a bit larger sample size) is that there are a lot who tipped democrat because they saw Trump as flawed/unfit/etc. If he'd managed to conjure even a modicum of "presidentialness" during his term, I think those voters would have gone his way. While the electorial college results weren't close, we all know the bottom up vote tallies were. A few more in MI, and few more in PA, and a few more in GA, and bam he's got a second term and a republican senate.

Again my two cents worth only, but I think there's something there.

When the evidence is presented in court and accepted then you might have a point. Until then, you're just making stuff up.

Vive the Constitution! Vive "the process"!
Touche! I love it! :)
 
Whatever K9. While a pendulum may swing some here, I don't think the majority of Americans are for this sort of stuff. Its just loud voices from the left's wilderness that get folks like you stoked up.
Now we can see your ignorance showing. Grow up and pay attention.


This stuff will only get worse and worse. It doesn't matter if the majority of Americans "are not for this sort of stuff", if the corporations deem it necessary for you to go, as an employee, you will go, or face the consequences. Either risk loosing your job due to leftist insanity and your boss bowing to the mob, or social ostracisation.

And actually, the fact that you don't even see these dynamic suggests to me that you are completely out of the loop somehow.
 
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