Trump Consciousness

In the context, I don't think there is a real distinction.

I think Jim is correct to point out that a lot of this discussion boils down to a discussion about how we sort out truth from half-truth from lies.




I definitely get the sense that Donald Trump has messed up a lot of the plans of the Neo Cons. I also think he wants to mess up a lot more of those plans. The Neo Cons have lead to immense suffering in Syria, Libya, Iraq,Ukraine, and elsewhere. Whether there is a spiritual component to this, I'm not sure, but I mean we often talk about a dark side to spirituality, and if there is one, then the dark spirits will cluster like flies around the Department for Defense, and parts of the State Department.

David
I think Trump has upset the plans of the people who run the world from behind the scenes. Globalists. Multinational corporations. The military intelligence industrial complex. The breakaway civilization.

That seems to me to explain why so many national governments were involved in the fake Russia Collusion Hoax and why many Republicans were against Trump, and why the Democrat party seems to be destroying itself to remove Trump before he can get re-elected in 2020 and why even some Fox News presenters are anti-Trump. There is something behind Trump hatred that goes beyond political parties and nations,
 
They said Trump would never be President. They were wrong.
They said the stock market would crash if Trump was elected. Instead it soared upward.
They said tariffs on Chinese goods would wreck the US economy. They didn't they are harming China and forcing them to negotiate a trade deal.
They said pulling out of Syria would lead to a massacre of the Kurds. Instead it lead to a negotiated truce.
Trump threatened Tariffs on Mexican goods entering the US unless they patrolled the border. No other President was able to get Mexico to do this and illegal border crossings have been markedly reduced.

Why do people believe anything they have learned from the sources that have been consistently wrong?

Trump is much smarter than the politicians, the professors, and the fake journalists, and he is more courageous than any president in recent history.
 
I think Kevin Annett has a different perspective in episode #433 :)
Alex,

I searched the YouTube transcript and skeptiko transcript of 433 for "Trump" and did not find any occurrences.

What is the basis for your comment? What does Keven Annett say about Trump? What sources or reasoning does he give to support his views?

Thanks
 
ok, but you and David are really stretching it here. this is 90% level one nonsense with 0% deep spirituality.
Alex,

One of the things about this subject is the deep hostility that it reveals. I don't understand that hostility. I am not close to solving it for all humanity. But it is a common theme throughout human history. It is the cause of countless wars and atrocities.

So I am studying that hostility. trying to understand it, trying to find a solution at least in my own soul. I can't control other people but I can try to understand my own mind. And that is hugely spiritual.
 
This is not a party, this is a cult... Rick Perry said Trump was the chosen one.
It appears to me that there is a growing number of posts here on this very forum that are evidence backing this assertion.

Trump is much smarter than the politicians, the professors, and the fake journalists, and he is more courageous than any president in recent history.
 
It appears to me that there is a growing number of posts here on this very forum that are evidence backing this assertion.
When you feel, as I do, that Trump may have sidestepped a major conflagration in Syria that might have sparked a full war with Russia, it is hard not to wonder if he is a chosen one! We certainly needed one - and still do!

David
 
a little respect seems appropriate!
I would tend to agree, a little respect might be appropriate IF such inaction were in the interest of most others and came along with certain other traits, such as basic decency and honesty.

I accept that Obama and others appeared to many to be honest and decent people, but in truth were not, by my standards. Trump might have been a better choice than Hillary, but he is far from a good choice imo. In a way he is a more honest caricature of a President than Obama or the others, but to me he is not the Messiah, he is very, very far from being that. Worryingly, you seem to believe that he may be. Are you suggesting that he be compared to Jesus!?

It appears to me that you and certainly Jim appear to have become unbalanced in your thinking. To a disturbing degree in Jim’s case, being brutally honest.

To me it seems like the USA and Britain have been rained upon by some sort of delusion inducing nerve gas. I don’t really follow proceedings that closely in any other countries, maybe it’s a worldwide phenomenon?

I accept that I too, might well have been affected. God help us,
 
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When otherwise (apparently) sensible and intelligent folk are speculating on whether Donald Trump is the chosen one (or even simply asserting that he is the smartest and bravest), you do have to wonder whether we really are approaching End Times...
 
I would tend to agree, a little respect might be appropriate IF such inaction were in the interest of all others and came along with certain other traits, such as basic decency and honesty.
When you think of the scale of suffering that a major war would produce, avoiding that outcome seems to me to shine above everything else.
I accept that Obama and others appeared to many to be honest and decent people, but in truth were not, by my standards.
Right, I was all for Obama, and his first term achieved a lot - in particular the deal with President Putin. Later, he seemed to spoil it all by sitting back. That meant Hillary at the state dept got to have a lovely war in Syria, and towards the end, her appetite for war extended into Libya - am sure she found both delightful. She also had a big part on thre dangerous meddling in Ukraine which started a minor war, but she would have enjoyed it much more if it had been larger. The ideal candidate to be POTUS.....not.
Trump might have been a better choice than Hillary, but he is far from a good choice imo.
So the problem is, the Democratic party chose Hillary, knowing her flaws and her recent record in the state department. They chose to downplay those flaws. Can we trust them now?
In a way he is a more honest caricature of a President than Obama or the others, but to me he is not the Messiah, he is very, very far from being that.
Well I think it is conceivable - based on the mountain he had to climb to get where he is - I think that has been uncanny.
Worryingly, you seem to believe that he may be. Are you suggesting that he be compared to Jesus!?
Remember I am not a Christian. If I believed that any religion had the real deal, I suppose I would support that religion, but I don't. However, like others here, I think that a variety of figures in history may have had some sort of supernatural support - this has been discussed many times. It is always hard to know in any particular case. The truth about Jesus may have been massively distorted.
It appears to me that you and certainly Jim appear to have become unbalanced in your thinking. To a disturbing degree in Jim’s case, being brutally honest.
Well, it is worth noting that just about everyone on this forum might justify that diagnosis if examined by a materialist psychiatrist. If we think the spiritual world is real, it doesn't seem unbalanced to assume that entities from that realm may actually do stuff!
To me it seems like the USA and Britain have been rained upon by some sort of delusion inducing nerve gas. I don’t really follow proceedings that closely in any other countries, maybe it’s a worldwide phenomenon?

I accept that I too, might well have been affected. God help us,
I think mankind is prone to phases of intense delusion, or panic, or whatever you want to call it, and I agree with your implication, we are in one of those periods. Actually, for what it is worth, I would say, you are still open-minded - so not affected by the 'nerve gas'!

I simply do not know what the roots of the present mania really are.

David
 
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So the problem is, the Democratic party chose Hillary, knowing her flaws and her recent record in the state department. They chose to downplay those flaws. Can we trust them now?
Certainly not.
I wouldn’t place my faith in Trump.
Try to ignore the swearing, there’s a lot of good stuff here:

 
Certainly not.
I wouldn’t place my faith in Trump.
Try to ignore the swearing, there’s a lot of good stuff here:
Right - everyone should watch that wonderful video.

Now let me just add one or two bits. On both occasions when there was a 'Syrian gas attack' while Trump was in power, he let the world think he had gone mad and was about to use those missiles to attack important Syrian installations, and actually kill people, but in fact he negotiated the targets with the Russians/Syrians and killed nobody or almost nobody - that is why we aren't in a hideous war right now, or all dead. Obama simply ignored his 'red' lines in response to fake gas attacks, but Trump didn't feel secure enough to do that.

Notice that the brave protester near the end was shouting that she didn't want a war with Iran - and under Trump there still isn't one!

Notice the list of news organisations that participated in this horrible hoax - from the BBC to CNN, MSNBC and every major outlet except Fox News.

Now perhaps you understand why I don't watch BBC news, and why I have relinquished my license that pays for the BBC. Hopefully you finally understand why I use Fox News and RT for world news.

Thanks Steve, I'm not quite sure if you intended to make my day, but you just have!

Here is a homework question for you. What do you think really happened when the novichok poisonings happened in Salisbury? Hint: Whatever happened was about 4 months before Russia was due to host the football World Cup.

David
 
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Thanks Steve, I'm not quite sure if you intended to make my day, but you just have!
I’m just trying to be as honest as I can.
Yourself and others can make of this what you will, but I definitely wouldn’t take from it that either Jimmy Dore or me favours Trump. Dore is pointing out how the democrats appear to be so insanely biased against Trump that they are making him more popular. He doesn’t like the fact that Tucker Carlson tells the truth on this issue, but to his credit still does so.

Personally I would like to see Tulsi Gabbard or maybe Bernie Saunders in the White House, but I don’t think that is very likely.

If Trump manages to get through a second term without doing anything too foolish or nasty I’ll be the first to say I was wrong, after breathing a sigh of relief. I’d be amazed if something big involving him doesn’t happen in the meantime. At the very least he’s visibly lowered the bar so we are able to see the level of consciousness that people find acceptable to be voted into power. In our country there are real comparisons to be made with Boris Johnson. Dear me...
 
I’m just trying to be as honest as I can.
Yes, I agree you are.
Yourself and others can make of this what you will, but I definitely wouldn’t take from it that either Jimmy Dore or me favours Trump. Dore is pointing out how the democrats appear to be so insanely biased against Trump that they are making him more popular. He doesn’t like the fact that Tucker Carlson tells the truth on this issue, but to his credit still does so.
I am sure Jimmy Dore is genuine, but at least at the time the video was made, the whole awful truth hadn't quite sunk in. That is why he actually seems puzzled as to why Tucker Carlson (hopefully Carlson 2024?) was willing/able to tell the truth.
Personally I would like to see Tulsi Gabbard or maybe Bernie Saunders in the White House, but I don’t think that is very likely.
Tulsi would be great for this issue, except that without being sexist, I am not sure she would have the sheer force of character to follow Trump's lead. On other issues she is not a good candidate.
If Trump manages to get through a second term without doing anything too foolish or nasty I’ll be the first to say I was wrong, after breathing a sigh of relief. I’d be amazed if something big involving him doesn’t happen in the meantime. At the very least he’s visibly lowered the bar so we are able to see the level of consciousness that people find acceptable to be voted into power. In our country there are real comparisons to be made with Boris Johnson. Dear me...
Nothing can be certain, but if Trump remains in power, I don't think you need worry about war. I certainly feel far more relaxed about the risk of war since maybe the early Obama years.

Trump has had to play a part to fool the swamp creatures, as time goes by and he gets a freer hand I think you will see more of his real plans - communicated to the crowd at his pre-election rallies.

I will, of course, be voting for Nigel Farage's Brexit party on Dec 12.

Bad prime ministers can't do much harm while there is a non-belligerent POTUS in power, so I would not worry if Boris gets in.

Maybe in a few months time Jimmy Dore will realise what I think I realised long ago. Maybe even the plucky girl on the video will also realise the truth.

In the mean time, try to take in the enormity of what that video tells us. All the news outlets that you probably rely on, would tell lies about something as basic as that - they knew Assad didn't do it, and in at least some of the instances, that meant kids were killed by the 'freedom fighters' who were fighting Assad, but were willing to bend the truth to make it look that way in order to start a war!

Given that, what can you trust them with - absolutely nothing!

These things were almost certainly planned by the Neo Cons - who also accepted killing a few kids as OK if they could start a war.

David
 
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I will, of course, be voting for Nigel Farage's Brexit party on Dec 12.

Bad prime ministers can't do much harm while there is a non-belligerent POTUS in power, so I would not worry if Boris gets in.
Of course you are. A wasted vote imo. :)

Trump is certainly not a compassionate man, you surely have to be a supporter to believe that he’s not rather belligerent. Frankly, I think the rest of that sentence shows quite frightening complacency and ignorance.

 
Of course you are. A wasted vote imo. :)

Trump is certainly not a compassionate man, you surely have to be a supporter to believe that he’s not rather belligerent. Frankly, I think the rest of that sentence shows quite frightening complacency and ignorance.
Wouldn't it be good to know the context for all that. Some of those remarks possibly related to the 'ANTIFA' gangs that go around terrorising people they don't agree with.

Wouldn't you also like to know if that video was prepared by one of the mainstream media organisations that would present a video of kids being gassed by their own side and use it to pretend something else in order to try to drag the US into war? I mean, could you feel confident that such an organisation would present a balanced view of ......... just about anything?

This is where I got to a long time ago - I think you are finally catching up.

BTW, a vote for the Brexit party is not necessarily a wasted vote. We are only standing in Labour held areas, and in many of those areas there were big majorities for 'Leave'. Labour people won't vote Conservative, but are much more amenable to voting for the Brexit party. We want a 'clean break brexit', which is otherwise known as a 'hard brexit'.

David
 
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